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Banana Joe
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I am still trying to make sense of all this, but I *think*, and I admit this at least a bit of speculation, that he is sticking it up for the little guy, that lost money when ordering from Tracy. While also speaking out against those that "got their stuff at the cost of other members" because "that's some real honorable shit there", and making clear, that only Millard can take away his right to say whatever he deems worth saying.
He also doesn't seem to believe that Tracy will make good on the outstanding orders of us, all the other members.
I am still not sure where that keeps *us* in that flowchart he keeps talking about, but apparently were at the wrong end of it. Certainly you, but apparently also me.
All in all this seems to be a like a rather complex situation, that is likely why me, and perhaps also others, have hard time following and picking up all the right nuances of this.
dinfar1337
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you're reading too much into it, he is just a troll
I'm the troll that has you replying to my posts.
Not a bad breakdown. I feel a few points are incorrect but overall, pretty well done.
Banana Joe
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Thanks, I do appreciate it.
Where do you feel like my overall assessment was incorrect, and what would you change or add to my breakdown?
Thanks, I do appreciate it.
Where do you feel like my overall assessment was incorrect, and what would you change or add to my breakdown?
The only real issue I take is the talking points/flowchart comment. Your exact words were:
"How much have you lost on those orders?" and "If you can't take that loss, which your two quite visceral posts seem to indicate, maybe you should find yourself another hobby."
These all appear to be comments to shut me up and as you've correctly stated in the breakdown of my words, it would take Millard or a mod to do that.
Outside of your breakdown. The argument that we shouldn't muddy up this thread because QSC really might start refunding people and you or dinfar may miss it is BS. If QSC really did that, it would be everywhere.
As for Dinfar, I chuckle because he keeps downvoting my posts like it changes my life in anyway. Then again, maybe I'm so fragile that a downvote on an internet forum ruins my day. Who knows?
Good talk!
Adding: I don't have any ill will or hate for you or dinfar. I try to address those that have replied to my posts. That's how you and I started our interaction at post #83,637.
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littlebicepsbigdick
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Imma be honest. As someone who fully kept faith of Tracey's return up until they came back. I'm now more convinced than ever he is selling his last stock and going to disappear forever. Other factories are already resuming production and he says no eta in sight. He can't even get peptides. Literally everyone has peptides. Do I think he is a scammer? No. But I do think he wants to leave the door open to potential future business one day while on his way out. He's not broke, ppl here posted the crypto transactions. He just wants to squeeze every last dollar before leaving on "good terms" with the community. JM2C
Ateam2023
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FUC k Qsc 123, Repeat 3 x .... Everyone lets hear your Roarrrrr... As the drum beats louder..
Ateam2023
Member
leave on good terms ?
bananafeet
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QSC was a different beast. On Google scholar they are noted as the supplier for heaps of scientific studies:
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Banana Joe
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What if we pose as scientists to get fresh supply from QSC?QSC was a different beast. On Google scholar they are noted as the supplier for heaps of scientific studies:
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Banana Joe
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While I must stress that my comment was not to shut you up, it was more meant as serious advice in case you can't afford to take the L on an anabolics order from China. Personally I always add 30% to that price in my head, as surcharge for when things go wrong and I have to get a replacement. So my far my losses thankfully weren't 30% of my total orders, but I think that is a good metric to assess how much I should be spending.
I didn't make the argument that me or @dinfar1337 would miss a reship or refund. That was him alone.
Regarding your overall relationship with @dinfar1337 , it seems like the two of you have something to work out with each other. I would offer myself as a mediator for this, but I feel like I am too close to the subject, so it might not work out for you guys.
Regarding my first post, I just posed a simple question, and then an observation. I still feel like your reaction, towards me afterwards, was unnecessarily hostile.
But I am not one who holds grudges over the internet. I feel like we had a productive discussion at the end!
While I must stress that my comment was not to shut you up, it was more meant as serious advice in case you can't afford to take the L on an anabolics order from China. Personally I always add 30% to that price in my head, as surcharge for when things go wrong and I have to get a replacement. So my far my losses thankfully weren't 30% of my total orders, but I think that is a good metric to assess how much I should be spending.
I didn't make the argument that me or @dinfar1337 would miss a reship or refund. That was him alone.
Regarding your overall relationship with @dinfar1337 , it seems like the two of you have something to work out with each other. I would offer myself as a mediator for this, but I feel like I am too close to the subject, so it might not work out for you guys.
Regarding my first post, I just posed a simple question, and then an observation. I still feel like your reaction, towards me afterwards, was unnecessarily hostile.
But I am not one who holds grudges over the internet. I feel like we had a productive discussion at the end!
You don't need to do anything. It's the internet. Me and Dinfar can keep being dicks to each other, truthfully, no big deal.
No grudges held and the rest of it is water under the troll bridge
strongfam213
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Meso in a nutshell: I was the original post that people were angry with, I walk away and there are 3 pages of random arguments.
I will add, I can respect your point. You want him to pay people back now and not wait. If this was anything else besides selling drugs online, I would 100% agree. Since it's drugs online, I will 95% agree with you. He is an international drug dealer who was raided and lost a bunch. Should he just give away all the domestic stock and then give up and die? Maybe? But Tracy has always had weird policies. I can still be hopeful that Tracy's weirdness will result in him coming back.
And if I am wrong. That would suck for everyone and I will hold a pitchfork with you.
I will add, I can respect your point. You want him to pay people back now and not wait. If this was anything else besides selling drugs online, I would 100% agree. Since it's drugs online, I will 95% agree with you. He is an international drug dealer who was raided and lost a bunch. Should he just give away all the domestic stock and then give up and die? Maybe? But Tracy has always had weird policies. I can still be hopeful that Tracy's weirdness will result in him coming back.
And if I am wrong. That would suck for everyone and I will hold a pitchfork with you.
Banana Joe
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I feel like there is a meta level to all of this, that flies over many people's heads.
Yep, that's Meso. A wealth of knowledge and crap load of shit posting and disagreements
SkeetSlambone
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Ordered. Received. Less than a week.
Tracy's first public post after going dark included him reporting that QSC essentially lost a year's worth of revenue either due to seizure or attempts at staving off the operation...plus all/much of their production equipment involved was also seized.
Depending upon how you look at that, it's tens of millions of dollars. If not more. They were huge.
By "QSC lost..." it's not clear to me if that means the entire legitimate company QSC or the "export operations" side only. Probably the whole thing though, or at least the one location/division the export operation ran out of.
Note that I'm replying to these comments more for an anchor to make my points.
Remember that Tracy, unlike many (most?) of the friendly peptides & oils sales folk, appears to be physically based outside of mainland China. Whether that means he is definitely not Chinese is unclear - if he is Chinese (mainland or HK), I strongly suspect he was educated outside of China. His go-to western language is French, and he's fluent in both French and English. Though...one thing I'll note, according to wikipedia: "In Hong Kong, French is the second most studied foreign language after Japanese." I've heard some other Tracy origin stories (guesses) as well.
So, while it's unclear where he is based, he has visited at least one well known member of the forum in person in Europe. Recently in this thread there was mention of an opsec fail years ago pointing to Florida as a likely location. Which I found amusing because...I'm not sure if anyone else ever noticed, but there was a residential Florida property address/phone number pair on one of the the QSC website's informational pages last year. I looked it up. The information back then which pointed to a domestic property...and real estate records indicated that the property had been sold already, last fall, presumably some time after the last edit to the QSC web pages where it had been included. Seemed oddly out of place. Tracy? Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps one of the other more quiet contacts people have spoken about.
Back to the point:
I say all this to give some context on why he has been operating a fresh sales sheet out of the non-CN warehouses and unwilling to discuss unresolved orders that were tracked in the QSC/QSC export operations IT infrastructure.
All of the QSC or QSC export operations IT went dark, and he has stated that until it is safe to do so, he cannot or at least will not have that fired back up, as it puts his CN-based colleagues at risk, perhaps adding to his own. My suspicion is that the IT operation was entirely cloud based and powering it up would be volunteering to give CN investigators damning evidence against his colleagues.
I lost (likely forever) several hundred $ on poor order timing in January. That being said, going further back over the previous several months I saved hundreds of $$$ sourcing from QSC vs. others. After a couple months of pining at the front door for my package, shivering in the cold wind of loss, I decided it was time to be pragmatic...it really wasn't worth the mental energy just to stress myself out over the lost $$$ and/or the lost product.
Notably I'm just an endpoint customer, not part of the logistics chain beyond me. A significant portion of QSC's customer base, one could say, are B2B customers of QSC of a sort. But...businesses deal with "shrinkage" all the time, right?
Lastly I really want to stress this is at the crux of my lack of anger over my likely personal loss: it is very possible some of Tracy's colleagues have been or currently are in jail or prison or at risk of it in the future. In China.
So...going balls out trying to recoup the few hundred bucks I lost seems small fish here.
To me.
I don't think I want to contribute to making the above situation worse, even for random strangers.
My loss, my opinion. Y'all might differ.
Crux: Tracy doesn't have the order records (because to get them would mean risking damage to the security of colleagues) and he certainly isn't going to believe other people's records of orders and payments, esp. considering all the scams out there in these markets. That's just business.
If and when Tracy can get access to the state of play at QSC's January lights out time, well...we'll see. Or not. But there was just no way with the above scenario he would have made customers whole without the data, and getting the data might make his colleagues...unwhole.
I can't state anything above is a known fact, but it's hung on the skeleton of information Tracy shared here and in the French forum ... and it seems to be the most likely story to me.
Addendum: if I had to guess, he likely had the non-CN warehouse contact info outside of the CN government opsec fence, likely for convenience since his comms to the warehouse staff would never be routed through China since he isn't based there. And the people running the "warehouses" out of their homes or small businesses, at least in the USA, were not planning to just sit on problematic stashes of medications that could end up being the target of CBP or DEA (hard to tell which is worse *these days*) raids, at least not without getting paid for their risk. So now he's paying the staff/contractors for their risk as he winds those operations down, and even then a couple of the "warehouses" clearly had some sort of property controller issues and had to be moved. He can operate with and wind down the current target-country/economic zone product sales and put some money where it needs to go for whatever future things he has planned (with or without us).
Meanwhile, the market goes on elsewhere.
TTA
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