Banana Joe
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I feel like there is a meta level to all of this, that flies over many people's heads.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic
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Yep, that's Meso. A wealth of knowledge and crap load of shit posting and disagreements
SkeetSlambone
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Ordered. Received. Less than a week.
Tracy's first public post after going dark included him reporting that QSC essentially lost a year's worth of revenue either due to seizure or attempts at staving off the operation...plus all/much of their production equipment involved was also seized.
Depending upon how you look at that, it's tens of millions of dollars. If not more. They were huge.
By "QSC lost..." it's not clear to me if that means the entire legitimate company QSC or the "export operations" side only. Probably the whole thing though, or at least the one location/division the export operation ran out of.
Note that I'm replying to these comments more for an anchor to make my points.
Remember that Tracy, unlike many (most?) of the friendly peptides & oils sales folk, appears to be physically based outside of mainland China. Whether that means he is definitely not Chinese is unclear - if he is Chinese (mainland or HK), I strongly suspect he was educated outside of China. His go-to western language is French, and he's fluent in both French and English. Though...one thing I'll note, according to wikipedia: "In Hong Kong, French is the second most studied foreign language after Japanese." I've heard some other Tracy origin stories (guesses) as well.
So, while it's unclear where he is based, he has visited at least one well known member of the forum in person in Europe. Recently in this thread there was mention of an opsec fail years ago pointing to Florida as a likely location. Which I found amusing because...I'm not sure if anyone else ever noticed, but there was a residential Florida property address/phone number pair on one of the the QSC website's informational pages last year. I looked it up. The information back then which pointed to a domestic property...and real estate records indicated that the property had been sold already, last fall, presumably some time after the last edit to the QSC web pages where it had been included. Seemed oddly out of place. Tracy? Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps one of the other more quiet contacts people have spoken about.
Back to the point:
I say all this to give some context on why he has been operating a fresh sales sheet out of the non-CN warehouses and unwilling to discuss unresolved orders that were tracked in the QSC/QSC export operations IT infrastructure.
All of the QSC or QSC export operations IT went dark, and he has stated that until it is safe to do so, he cannot or at least will not have that fired back up, as it puts his CN-based colleagues at risk, perhaps adding to his own. My suspicion is that the IT operation was entirely cloud based and powering it up would be volunteering to give CN investigators damning evidence against his colleagues.
I lost (likely forever) several hundred $ on poor order timing in January. That being said, going further back over the previous several months I saved hundreds of $$$ sourcing from QSC vs. others. After a couple months of pining at the front door for my package, shivering in the cold wind of loss, I decided it was time to be pragmatic...it really wasn't worth the mental energy just to stress myself out over the lost $$$ and/or the lost product.
Notably I'm just an endpoint customer, not part of the logistics chain beyond me. A significant portion of QSC's customer base, one could say, are B2B customers of QSC of a sort. But...businesses deal with "shrinkage" all the time, right?
Lastly I really want to stress this is at the crux of my lack of anger over my likely personal loss: it is very possible some of Tracy's colleagues have been or currently are in jail or prison or at risk of it in the future. In China.
So...going balls out trying to recoup the few hundred bucks I lost seems small fish here.
To me.
I don't think I want to contribute to making the above situation worse, even for random strangers.
My loss, my opinion. Y'all might differ.
Crux: Tracy doesn't have the order records (because to get them would mean risking damage to the security of colleagues) and he certainly isn't going to believe other people's records of orders and payments, esp. considering all the scams out there in these markets. That's just business.
If and when Tracy can get access to the state of play at QSC's January lights out time, well...we'll see. Or not. But there was just no way with the above scenario he would have made customers whole without the data, and getting the data might make his colleagues...unwhole.
I can't state anything above is a known fact, but it's hung on the skeleton of information Tracy shared here and in the French forum ... and it seems to be the most likely story to me.
Addendum: if I had to guess, he likely had the non-CN warehouse contact info outside of the CN government opsec fence, likely for convenience since his comms to the warehouse staff would never be routed through China since he isn't based there. And the people running the "warehouses" out of their homes or small businesses, at least in the USA, were not planning to just sit on problematic stashes of medications that could end up being the target of CBP or DEA (hard to tell which is worse *these days*) raids, at least not without getting paid for their risk. So now he's paying the staff/contractors for their risk as he winds those operations down, and even then a couple of the "warehouses" clearly had some sort of property controller issues and had to be moved. He can operate with and wind down the current target-country/economic zone product sales and put some money where it needs to go for whatever future things he has planned (with or without us).
Meanwhile, the market goes on elsewhere.
TTA
In the US. I think one or two other warehouses (Canada?/Europe?/Both?) had some issues he had to resolve.
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DollaBill
New Member
I thought qsc was done
Where do you contact?
Where do you contact?
watchtymeflyyy
Member
Do you want it to say “DRUGS” lol?
Thecabanaboy
New Member
Yes it’s normal
urmumsurdad30
Member
Nope, looks like you got botox..
AlmightyAlpha
Member
You know what's crazy to think...some little hot Chinese mom is probably rotting in a Chinese jail cell just for assistance on packaging our bottles of test since they got busted. Some dudes probably got beaten to the brink of death just for packing our orals.
Love following this thread. Drug abusers and dealers just -cannot- get over losing a single solitary order via international mail when their plug got busted.
Truly hilarious how many spoiled children we have on this forum who have zero appreciation of the game they've been playing. The comical anger and frustration makes my day every time I come get caught up on this thread.
Thank you!
Truly hilarious how many spoiled children we have on this forum who have zero appreciation of the game they've been playing. The comical anger and frustration makes my day every time I come get caught up on this thread.
Thank you!
As per DM pointer, they're basically done for now, Tracy's like 90% complete on selling out the last of the fumes from the domestic warehouses and then...who knows. Most everything left isn't a great price and mostly isn't the core stuff folks here are looking for. The first couple of weeks when he started those that took the risks got some deals on stuff that was hard to get. But since then, not so much.
Also, I have no info source other than what I've read here and/or on telegram/whatsapp/discord/pepchat public channels.
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bigforyouben
Member
Now that SSA is gone the prices don't look so bad for US domestic. Nothing I need, though.
ineffectual
Member
Just put in my 5th order earlier today. My fourth order should be here early next week. Overall better service than I received from my one and only SSA order. Hope he is able to restock this year.
Docsunshine23
Member
EL OH EL
BaldZues
Member
when you put it like this i start yo think maybe i should stop doing drugs....nah who am i kidding? Lets get swole!!
strongfam213
New Member
Tracy found a mistake in my order. Oversold something. Then just refunded me. Doesn't seem like something you would do just before bailing.
Would be the easiest time to scam someone. I'm still holding out for a full comeback.
Would be the easiest time to scam someone. I'm still holding out for a full comeback.
Funny. I never received the order I paid for in January. I haven't received my refund yet. Do I believe Tracy is about to bail? Not really. I don't know if and when Tracy will bail. I do know that Tracy, after early promises about making past buyers whole, is not attempting to do so. Depending on what Tracy is selling and other sellers are out there, you may make a strategic decision to risk buying from Tracy knowing that Tracy has not remedied things with stiffed buyers. I'm not criticizing anyone for buying from Tracy I purchased from SRY after I knew they had been indicted for selling a fentanyl-like opioid in the US. I do view Tracy's failure to remedy things with stiffed buyers (including me) as showing as less than stellar commitment to making sure people get what they paid for. I won't purchase from Tracy again until past buyers are made whole. I have the same attitude towards SRY and SSA even though neither of those two stiffed me. I'd likely feel differently if I was purchasing items other than GLP-1 drugs.
As soon as Tracy sends my peptides or refunds my money, I'll stop complaining. I did send Tracy, by Telegram, screenshots showing what I'm owed.
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