How to counter EVERY AAS Side-effect

[Sicsemptyran]

its 100% a possibility im not denying it. but ofc if you run the dosages they would be giving in most studies >= 100mg cardarine to those rats. and the lowest ive been able to find is like 1mg per kg of bodyweight. if you take for that for your whole life it makes sense you get cancer. im just spewing debate out cuz im bored asf from the original subject tho haha

You have to apply human equivalent doses, you can’t just adjust the kg. That’s a well known thing in pharmacology. Cancer was universally seen in the human equivalent doses everyone here runs that they used on rats.

 

[dinfar1337]

’t just adjust the kg. That’s a well known thing in pharmacology. Cancer was universally seen in the human equivalent doses everyone here runs that they used on rats.

thats what i did and got 100mg on most studies, and lowest is around 1mg/kg

 

[dinfar1337]

You have to apply human equivalent doses, you can’t just adjust the kg. That’s a well known thing in pharmacology. Cancer was universally seen in the human equivalent doses everyone here runs that they used on rats.

im no scienticst but ran it through dosecal

 

[Sicsemptyran]

thats what i did and got 100mg on most studies, and lowest is around 1mg/kg

Well unfortunately then I'm not sure which studies you were looking at. If I'm bored later I'll go grab them out but there are absolutely ones (and many people have done in depth articles/videos/etc on this as well) at 20 to 40mg, doses that people run very commonly.

 

[dinfar1337]

Well unfortunately then I'm not sure which studies you were looking at. If I'm bored later I'll go grab them out but there are absolutely ones (and many people have done in depth articles/videos/etc on this as well) at 20 to 40mg, doses that people run very commonly.

on gene modified mice they run little lower dosages, cancer started to form in lowest dosages of 60-70mg running for half their life. and lowest is like 15 to 20mg but cancer really didnt start to form. and on rats they ran incredibly high dosages. cancer started to from at like 200mg-700mg. for half their life also. human studies 12 weeks observed at most 10-20mg didnt cause cancer but the studies are way too short as you mention. i dont see this as complete "evidence"

 

[dinfar1337]

Well unfortunately then I'm not sure which studies you were looking at. If I'm bored later I'll go grab them out but there are absolutely ones (and many people have done in depth articles/videos/etc on this as well) at 20 to 40mg, doses that people run very commonly.

and we still have fuck no human studies on trenbolone, im not denying it might cause cancer but the chance is probably significantly lower than its being described as.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

and we still have fuck no human studies on trenbolone, im not denying it might cause cancer but the chance is probably significantly lower than its being described as.

In two seconds I just found a study that showed mice get cancer universally at all doses including one that would be a human equivalent dose of 81mg/day. Idk about you but if nebivolol universally caused cancer at 10mg I wouldn't exactly feel good about taking it at 5mg.

I'll do more than 2 seconds of searching later but again I'm nearly certain there are human equivalent doses of 20-40mg that showed cancer creation universally.

Pharma companies don't drop such promising molecules for no reason.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

and we still have fuck no human studies on trenbolone, im not denying it might cause cancer but the chance is probably significantly lower than its being described as.

This is also just objectively not true, it was quite literally an approved drug in France.

 

[Kralteramon]

This is also just objectively not true, it was quite literally an approved drug in France.

Say what now? Where can I read about that?

 

[glpfun]

Say what now? Where can I read about that?

It’s tren hex call parabolan

 

[xrayphoton13]

It’s tren hex call parabolan

I think it was Jay Cutler who said he never took tren. only test, EQ, and parabolan

 

[dinfar1337]

This is also just objectively not true, it was quite literally an approved drug in France.

I heard Theres 4 Human studies on it watching vigorus Steve But Thats still fuck 0 studies. Sorry for shit capslock Im on phone

 

[glpfun]

I think it was Jay Cutler who said he never took tren. only test, EQ, and parabolan

Just like I only took Finaplix

 

[NewGuy756]

Trash sleep is the biggest side for me, and it's a big one.

I manage it through a combination of ancillaries, but not particularly well.

trash sleep as a side effect of what?

 

[AlexDavis43]

trash sleep as a side effect of what?

Tren in general but also excess androgen load.

 

[ve79]

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Look David, this is a steroid not model forum. We appreciate your "knowledge", but be kind and understand that your services here on Meso are not exactly what we are looking for. We value different kind of contribution with facts, not just some claims. Opinion is fine, but it might not be for everyone.

Don't lol at poor people and apply such terms for everyone. Doesn't make you exactly rich. Everybody here is on some sort of mission of self improvement, so don't judge when you don't know half things about someone.

To conclude, your list is very incomplete. There are certain individual side effects and health issues that are beyond any guide or list for that matter. It's not as easy as it looks. Watching MPMD and such videos all day and claiming to be knowledgeable is a wannabe behaviour to be honest.

I suggest you take your time and read some articles on MesoRX. There are plenty to learn from and expand your knowledge.

well said . We are all on here to self improve without being judged

 

[David Gandy]

it’s funny you mention cardarine as causing cancer since it was animal studies that showed great promise in lipid reductions/fat distribution/glucose control that prompted pharma companies to study it more. Unfortunately it failed miserably when longer term studies showed it to cause cancer. Common outcome of exercise memetics.

I’m assuming you are positive that SR9009 doesn’t cause cancer because pharma companies have run similar studies?

(it’s sarcastic, I know they haven’t. I wouldn’t touch that shit with a 9 foot pole)

REV-ERBs are potently anticarcinogenic.
decreased REV-ERBα expression was associated with poor prognosis

The treatment with the small-molecule agonists of REV-ERBs SR9011 and SR9009 led to a reduction in the GSC proliferation rate

 

[David Gandy]

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well said . We are all on here to self improve without being judged

if you want to improve look into the stuff that i mentioned

 

[David Gandy]

Your studies are either on mice or theoretical so we can't put much weight on them. Mice aren't humans. If it helped cure cancer it would be used for that. If you want to cure fatty liver take a glp-1. We have many more years of safety data.

i mentioned retatrutide as another god molecule

 

[David Gandy]

All you did is give a list of common side effects and the common drugs used for those side effects. Anybody can Google that information rather quickly, this list is not unique or interesting. You also don't talk about anything beyond what drugs can be used for those side effects. A lot of side effects have non-drug ways to help or alleviate them.

Welcome to the forum but acting like you're something special for sharing all list of very common knowledge is a weird way to start.

why tf would i give a list of uncommon side effects ?
i mentioned "common drugs" yet theres no one using these

sr9009 is very common here huh? how come people dont know anything about it? how come people here still buy dogshit serms for "pct"?

i am something special
im a prophet