First Test Cycle Dosing Advice

[SeriosReborn]

women do not call security on chad

Chad in slums of mumbai maybe

 

[Slowww]

Chad in slums of mumbai maybe

Say it louder and maybe it will make your face prettier

 

[nathenking]

Im looking to hop on test p only for my first cycle. I know doing daily pins is optimal to prevent estrogen side effects and I'll keep my AI on hand. I want to know how do I determine what my first dose should be for my test cycle. Basically because I want to blast for muscle gains I've read everywhere it should be a 300-500mg per week test cycle.

I would start between 300-400 and get as much out of this first cycle as possible. Slow and Steady wins this race. I wish I would have squeezed out more gains at a younger age and lower doses. You can always go up, but going back down is a mind fuck

 

[rxzed]

i half agree with your statement, but i think the other half is a bit pessimistic.

SO MANY of the youngsters looking to hop on are addressing a completely different issue than a physique. they're looking for a personality, confidence, women, attention, manliness, etc.

and while im sure these compounds can assist with all of those things, its definitely not a great route to take to get there.

young people wanting to compete? different story. young people wanting to use their body to make money somehow? different story.

but young people wanting to address clear personality, emotional or mental issues with these compounds? imo a finger wag is the only truly ethical course of action. if there is a non zero chance that someone can be swayed from injecting rgk oil in favor of introspection and self-determination, i think you should always take that route.

If you leave nine people less informed and pushed away from harm reduction for every one that you successfully persuade against, I'd argue that that's less ethical. If they're asking on whether or not they should start, that's different.

What somebody's motive for using steroids is is largely irrelevant. That's nobody's business but theirs. Again, no purpose is more just than another. We wouldn't say that people using meth for 'cognitive enhancement' are more just in their use than the people abusing it for euphoria.

We aren't here to police people's decisions, we're here to educate them on the potential consequences of those decisions, and how to mitigate them if they decide to go forward with it anyway. If people truly want to discourage somebody from starting, their response would be effortful and educational, not the typical, "you're too young" or "you're stupid" or (insert any fear mongering comment).

 

[BALLISTIC]

If you leave nine people less informed and pushed away from harm reduction for every one that you successfully persuade against, I'd argue that that's less ethical. If they're asking on whether or not they should start, that's different.

What somebody's motive for using steroids is is largely irrelevant. That's nobody's business but theirs. Again, no purpose is more just than another. We wouldn't say that people using meth for 'cognitive enhancement' are more just in their use than the people abusing it for euphoria.

We aren't here to police people's decisions, we're here to educate them on the potential consequences of those decisions, and how to mitigate them if they decide to go forward with it anyway. If people truly want to discourage somebody from starting, their response would be effortful and educational, not the typical, "you're too young" or "you're stupid" or (insert any fear mongering comment).

Either way, he’s banned now, and rightfully so.

Your points are valid. Most of the back and forth stemmed from the fact that he’s clearly just starting out, which is evident from his post history. Instead of engaging with constructive, well intended advice, he chose to argue from misunderstanding and leaned into ignorant fallacies.

It’s also worth pointing out that this wasn’t simple disagreement, it was consistent trolling behavior. Nearly every response was argumentative, even when members were being informative and patient.

The first page of the thread was actually solid to start. The OP was receiving legitimate advice. Things only went sideways once "banned" started inserting himself and derailing the discussion.

At that point, it stopped being about helping anyone and became noise. Like loud pots and pans on a Sunday morning. Haha

 

[hellerhiwater]

If you leave nine people less informed and pushed away from harm reduction for every one that you successfully persuade against, I'd argue that that's less ethical. If they're asking on whether or not they should start, that's different.

What somebody's motive for using steroids is is largely irrelevant. That's nobody's business but theirs. Again, no purpose is more just than another. We wouldn't say that people using meth for 'cognitive enhancement' are more just in their use than the people abusing it for euphoria.

We aren't here to police people's decisions, we're here to educate them on the potential consequences of those decisions, and how to mitigate them if they decide to go forward with it anyway. If people truly want to discourage somebody from starting, their response would be effortful and educational, not the typical, "you're too young" or "you're stupid" or (insert any fear mongering comment).

yeah i said that. you, imo, MUST finger wag or its equivalent when a 20 year old is here looking for test+var+gh to jelq harder and get a thicker beard. but not also telling them to get certain bloods, watch out for e2 fluctuations, and monitor glucose is ALMOST just as bad (i dont think a cogent argument could be made for the necessity of enabling such decisions over the obligatory finger-wag, despite it being a harm-reduction forum--subjectively though, it def should happen)

 

[Slowww]

yeah i said that. you, imo, MUST finger wag or its equivalent when a 20 year old is here looking for test+var+gh to jelq harder and get a thicker beard. but not also telling them to get certain bloods, watch out for e2 fluctuations, and monitor glucose is ALMOST just as bad (i dont think a cogent argument could be made for the necessity of enabling such decisions over the obligatory finger-wag, despite it being a harm-reduction forum--subjectively though, it def should happen)

Right. If people have the right idea, are respectful or at least decent & follow the rules it’s very easy to give some constructive feedback. But this kind of guy is asking to he spoon fed extremely basic information that could be found in the search bar and being extremely rude and entitled about it. Acting like PIP is some new phenomenon and he knows better than everyone about protocols — which doesn’t make sense considering he just fell for some YouTube slop.
There are other newbies who have bad ideas, or forget some basic things, but people are extremely constructive simply because they aren’t huge assholes or self destructive idiots