SeriosReborn
Banned
Chad in slums of mumbai maybe
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
First Test Cycle Dosing Advice
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Slowww
Member
Say it louder and maybe it will make your face prettier
nathenking
New Member
I would start between 300-400 and get as much out of this first cycle as possible. Slow and Steady wins this race. I wish I would have squeezed out more gains at a younger age and lower doses. You can always go up, but going back down is a mind fuck
If you leave nine people less informed and pushed away from harm reduction for every one that you successfully persuade against, I'd argue that that's less ethical. If they're asking on whether or not they should start, that's different.
What somebody's motive for using steroids is is largely irrelevant. That's nobody's business but theirs. Again, no purpose is more just than another. We wouldn't say that people using meth for 'cognitive enhancement' are more just in their use than the people abusing it for euphoria.
We aren't here to police people's decisions, we're here to educate them on the potential consequences of those decisions, and how to mitigate them if they decide to go forward with it anyway. If people truly want to discourage somebody from starting, their response would be effortful and educational, not the typical, "you're too young" or "you're stupid" or (insert any fear mongering comment).
BALLISTIC
Member
Either way, he’s banned now, and rightfully so.
Your points are valid. Most of the back and forth stemmed from the fact that he’s clearly just starting out, which is evident from his post history. Instead of engaging with constructive, well intended advice, he chose to argue from misunderstanding and leaned into ignorant fallacies.
It’s also worth pointing out that this wasn’t simple disagreement, it was consistent trolling behavior. Nearly every response was argumentative, even when members were being informative and patient.
The first page of the thread was actually solid to start. The OP was receiving legitimate advice. Things only went sideways once "banned" started inserting himself and derailing the discussion.
At that point, it stopped being about helping anyone and became noise. Like loud pots and pans on a Sunday morning. Haha
hellerhiwater
New Member
yeah i said that. you, imo, MUST finger wag or its equivalent when a 20 year old is here looking for test+var+gh to jelq harder and get a thicker beard. but not also telling them to get certain bloods, watch out for e2 fluctuations, and monitor glucose is ALMOST just as bad (i dont think a cogent argument could be made for the necessity of enabling such decisions over the obligatory finger-wag, despite it being a harm-reduction forum--subjectively though, it def should happen)
Slowww
Member
Right. If people have the right idea, are respectful or at least decent & follow the rules it’s very easy to give some constructive feedback. But this kind of guy is asking to he spoon fed extremely basic information that could be found in the search bar and being extremely rude and entitled about it. Acting like PIP is some new phenomenon and he knows better than everyone about protocols — which doesn’t make sense considering he just fell for some YouTube slop.
There are other newbies who have bad ideas, or forget some basic things, but people are extremely constructive simply because they aren’t huge assholes or self destructive idiots
I definitely get this point of view. People should respect the rules and put in some effort themselves to get educated.
npp_enjoyer
New Member
If it's properly dosed, start with ~250. Stay there for a while.
After 8-12 (or more) weeks, you can go to ~500.
500 Test is a safe dose you should be able to milk for a long time.
After 8-12 (or more) weeks, you can go to ~500.
500 Test is a safe dose you should be able to milk for a long time.
wells14
Member
Because they do no research, expect to be spoon-fed every little detail and give attitude when people give legitimate, constructive criticism.
wells14
Member
Vast majority of kids I see looksmaxing would be totally normal looking if they ditched the ticktock haircuts. They're mainly doing it because they've been sucked into manosphere/black-pill/misogyny echo chambers on social media and now genuinely believe if you're not perfect in every way you have no chance at dating. Walking around any town or shopping mall for 5 minutes debunks this immediately.
Slowww
Member
Yeah I agree i was just trolling that guy. The people from that community always come in being a bit much. It’s sad they don’t understand what you’re saying because they could be doing much better things with time, resources and have meaningful and fulfilling relationships.
treating women like human beings is probably more useful than a hammer to orbital but I know that is asking for a lot
hellerhiwater
New Member
im making this my quote on whatever forum lets me
If a young guy wants to take gear to improve their appearance to attract more women, I’d have nothing against them. That’s why I did it when I was in my late 20s. However, I did not expect spoon feeding like all these young guys this past month coming here do. These guys need to do more research and frankly aren’t totally prepared to benefit from using gear even if they have a clear reason for using.
Many of them will use gear and see that on their first cycle, even if they became bigger, they surprisingly became less attractive to women. Why? Because they didn’t have enough knowledge of the stuff to know what to expect. I don’t think these young guys deserve shit in terms of advice and need to do much more of their own research. In all likelihood, they’ll benefit the most from training natty and staying away from these drugs
Many of them will use gear and see that on their first cycle, even if they became bigger, they surprisingly became less attractive to women. Why? Because they didn’t have enough knowledge of the stuff to know what to expect. I don’t think these young guys deserve shit in terms of advice and need to do much more of their own research. In all likelihood, they’ll benefit the most from training natty and staying away from these drugs
The problem is that now, there are so many guys desperate to hop on gear, that harm reduction advice given publicly is gonna facilitate all these guys hopping on. In my opinion, it’s better to tell them to fuck off if it’s clear they don’t have proper knowledge base, and a few of them will hop on a cycle anyway, get disillusioned with side effects or PCT, and maybe lose interest in the entire thing at least for a while. For the most part they’ll recover fine. This isn’t like heroin or crack where they’ll want more and more forever as soon as they take the first few hits. No one can tolerate the side effects of a blast forever
I agree with this if they're asking for advice on tiktok, but if they've made the effort to find the forum, they've already made their decision to hop on. Also, where should they develop a proper knowledge base? This forum is undoubtedly the best place to learn about them. Everywhere else is rampant with misinformation and charlatans trying to sell you on their sponsors peptides.
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