Cycle for Brazilian Jujitsu

[zangetsu13]

Stop saying this bs, with this cycle your estrogen is tanked like nothing else, and you cant do shit, you will break your bones at the first submission.

Dont listen to this random on a random forum about cycle for fighting

Never mind the tanked e2, 1g of mast, a hardener in bjj would be asking for injury even if he aromatises so badly his e2 was still high.

 

[jankoch]

Couple issues with this dude.

1. That's not how growth works if you take a shot in the morning you'll produce your natural pulse when you go to sleep that night.

2. EQ at that dose has no benefit and would be better replaced by primo.

3. Being someone who does BB cycles and trains bjj any oral will give him a pump which will negatively effect his ability to compete or roll. Jiu-jitsu be it gi or no gi involves an incredible amount of pushing, pulling and static strength.

1. yeah, probably you are right but if you are not tested I still take that 1iu hgh close to comp.

2.It has benefit at that love of a dose esp with compounding effect. Its like saying for an athlete 200mg test wont give a boost compared to his levels. Its just false. We don't talk about bodybuilding. Also all the gear adds up- which can complicate things for sure but if you don't feel good just ditch the Tbol it has short half life.
I like primo way more tho, I just tried to show the guy even halving his dosages is a lot of gear for an endurance athlete and I also said its for out of competition.

3. I train martial arts, wrestling and BJJ. Low dose oral can work tho and they did in lots of olympic sports that show more resemblance to BJJ than to bodybuilding as far as skills and attributes go.

 

[jankoch]

Never mind the tanked e2, 1g of mast, a hardener in bjj would be asking for injury even if he aromatises so badly his e2 was still high.

You think its true at low doses also? Like 200mg mast e/week?

 

[BoloYang2023]

damn everyone really like tbol and var i guess the ones i have gotten are shit because i hate that shit its a waste of time imo and i didnt feel shit lol

 

[zangetsu13]

damn everyone really like tbol and var i guess the ones i have gotten are shit because i hate that shit its a waste of time imo and i didnt feel shit lol

What are you expecting to feel mate?, never taken tbol, var for me is very mild, gives me cosmetic benefits never did much strength wise, that was at 30mg a day mind.

 

[zangetsu13]

You think its true at low doses also? Like 200mg mast e/week?

I've taken it to 500mg a week while doing bjj mate. I cycle like a bodybuilder because I don't do it for performance, I do it for physique changes. I've taken tren, trained and competed in bjj. People vastly over estimate mast as an anti e, it more suppresses the symptoms than crashes e. That said hardeners aren't ideal in combat sports they're better for physique sports.

 

[zangetsu13]

1. yeah, probably you are right but if you are not tested I still take that 1iu hgh close to comp.

2.It has benefit at that love of a dose esp with compounding effect. Its like saying for an athlete 200mg test wont give a boost compared to his levels. Its just false. We don't talk about bodybuilding. Also all the gear adds up- which can complicate things for sure but if you don't feel good just ditch the Tbol it has short half life.
I like primo way more tho, I just tried to show the guy even halving his dosages is a lot of gear for an endurance athlete and I also said its for out of competition.

3. I train martial arts, wrestling and BJJ. Low dose oral can work tho and they did in lots of olympic sports that show more resemblance to BJJ than to bodybuilding as far as skills and attributes go.

1. Was to the fact he wouldn't have to come off, any water retention from 2iu shouldn't be enough to negatively effect him. Unless op is in the running for adult black belt world's podium placement which I doubt, he's not being tested and the ibjjf most likely isn't investing in testing for hgh.

2. EQ would be being used for the enhanced erythropoiesis, which the benefits sought would be seen at a higher dosage. Bjj guys run cycles coming into competition, off season maybe but that will be for muscle gain if they want to recomp or jump divisions. No one said using a bodybuilders trt wouldn't yield benefits.

3. Low dose orals work no one debated that. The issue is the trade off and how his body reacts. He will for sure get narly pumps in hard training and his body may not handle the toxicity well. The thing to remember is this is an average guy not a genetically elite athlete competing for olympic gold. People at that level will push the boundaries. I train bjj to 30mg of var real and bjj is painful.

To add, if you want to work on compounding you'd go, test base, primo for erythropoiesis, muscle and e2 control, deca for joint support, hgh for recovery benefits and lipolysis. All can be taken together at combined amount well under a gram a week and see great benefits in performance and body composition.

 

[V.primal]

Keep it simple. Something like:

200mg Test
200mg Nand
200mg Bold
2-4iu GH, CTS permitting

Hell, you can do half of that and still benefit. Cardarine in and out around competitions is great, individual risk tolerance permitting. Oral AAS are probably not worth touching.

But basically anything resembling this - low doses, test/bold/nand, little to no orals, GH/peptides are great. Goal is better recovery for more mat time.

I'm guessing gh is mainly for recovery. What would be the best time it? Pre-training, before bed? Split dose?

 

[V.primal]

Depends entirely if you're looking for a cycle or something more year round.

Year round:
150mg test
125mg deca, come off every 3 months for 2, deca brain is a real thing. Or cycle npp.
2-4 iu hgh p/d, 6 months on then switch to secretagogues and the likes for few months.
Bpc & tb500 when injuries arise.

More of a big show coming up and need added strength and endurance, say a 12 week camp.
200/250mg test
500mg primo for endurance and strength or 600 EQ for the endurance
125mg deca/ npp
2 -4 iu hgh
20mg halo for 2 weeks at the end
50mg dbol on hand if you're not a high aromatiser and prone to crashed e2 from primo or EQ.

No hardening specific drugs like mast or Winnie ideally. Just not a fun time in a sport about joint manipulation. Mast is ok at low doses if you're a high aromatiser and add deca and hgh.

Whats the point of switching between hgh and secretagogues? Also when would be the best time for gh shots?

 

[V.primal]

1. Was to the fact he wouldn't have to come off, any water retention from 2iu shouldn't be enough to negatively effect him. Unless op is in the running for adult black belt world's podium placement which I doubt, he's not being tested and the ibjjf most likely isn't investing in testing for hgh.

2. EQ would be being used for the enhanced erythropoiesis, which the benefits sought would be seen at a higher dosage. Bjj guys run cycles coming into competition, off season maybe but that will be for muscle gain if they want to recomp or jump divisions. No one said using a bodybuilders trt wouldn't yield benefits.

3. Low dose orals work no one debated that. The issue is the trade off and how his body reacts. He will for sure get narly pumps in hard training and his body may not handle the toxicity well. The thing to remember is this is an average guy not a genetically elite athlete competing for olympic gold. People at that level will push the boundaries. I train bjj to 30mg of var real and bjj is painful.

To add, if you want to work on compounding you'd go, test base, primo for erythropoiesis, muscle and e2 control, deca for joint support, hgh for recovery benefits and lipolysis. All can be taken together at combined amount well under a gram a week and see great benefits in performance and body composition.

I like this approach, I want something I can run for a while at low doses.
I like the test base, primo, hgh.

I don't really want to run deca.
What would be other options for joint support?

 

[zangetsu13]

I'm guessing gh is mainly for recovery. What would be the best time it? Pre-training, before bed? Split dose?

GH is mainly for recovery benefits, some fat loss, skin/sleep quality, etc if you're doing 2iu pin it in the morning, do fasted cardio eat an hour later.

If you're doing 3iu, I liked to split it 1.5iu in the morning, fasted cardio eat 1 hour later. 1.5iu no food 1 hour before and then train, eat, bed. That way you're not inhibiting the natural nightly pulse.

The eating thing is because GH use is known to cause insulin resistance when used around meals.

 

[zangetsu13]

Whats the point of switching between hgh and secretagogues? Also when would be the best time for gh shots?

So with GH your body will begin to almost build up an immunity to that GH is the best way to put it. So switching to secretagogues allows for the break and re sensitisation. I can't remember the exact mechanism for this off the top of my head. You could always switch between generic and pharma or different genetics every 3 months and go year round. Or switch to the secretagogues for their effects while you take the break.

2iu in the morning 1 hour before food. More split it for lipolysis benefits.

 

[zangetsu13]

I like this approach, I want something I can run for a while at low doses.
I like the test base, primo, hgh.

I don't really want to run deca.
What would be other options for joint support?

So mess around with the test and primo dosages, get bloods before and during and see how the primo effects your estrogen then alter dosing accordingly.

There are legal more natural products for joint support I can't honestly remember, vigorous Steve has a video on it mate.

You could run that essentially year round if you can afford it or use slightly higher test, primo, GH. For say 16 weeks, then drop primo lower test keep GH or secretagogues for 16 weeks and repeat as you like.

I've ADHD so found out the hard way deca causes really bad anhedonia when used for longer periods. Now that was after nearly a year. You could add it to your stack for shorter periods 125mg a week would be enough for joint support. Totally upto you, personally I'd have to desperately need it to use it again and in that case I'd probably do multiple small npp doses a week to get it out of my system quick.

The GH and bit of water retention from GH and test will have your joints feeling nicer though.

Don't be afraid to run test undeconate if you're gna run test year round and don't like pinning. But test e or c 2x a week would be good to balance hormones.

Make sure you have bloods before and during though and track all health markers.

 

[V.primal]

GH is mainly for recovery benefits, some fat loss, skin/sleep quality, etc if you're doing 2iu pin it in the morning, do fasted cardio eat an hour later.

If you're doing 3iu, I liked to split it 1.5iu in the morning, fasted cardio eat 1 hour later. 1.5iu no food 1 hour before and then train, eat, bed. That way you're not inhibiting the natural nightly pulse.

The eating thing is because GH use is known to cause insulin resistance when used around meals.

I have to be up fairly early, so morning cardio doesn't work out for me.
I eat most of my food during the day while I'm at work

I usually eat my last light meal around 5, train 7 to 930. Then bed. I sleep like shit if I eat before bed.
Would it work to pin gh at 6? Is it necessary to eat after training, gh wise?

 

[zangetsu13]

I have to be up fairly early, so morning cardio doesn't work out for me.
I eat most of my food during the day while I'm at work

I usually eat my last light meal around 5, train 7 to 930. Then bed. I sleep like shit if I eat before bed.
Would it work to pin gh at 6? Is it necessary to eat after training, gh wise?

I like to eat after training to give my body some nutrients to repair itself, it's not super necessary a shake would be fine straight after training some caesine, some carbs maybe, hell shake and a flap jack. Then get a shower or changed drive home get ready for bed should be ok . But no you don't need to eat for GH sake. I'd take it when you wake up then mate, fasted cardio is just for the lipolysis benefits not absolutely necessary. If you're taking 2iu for the benefits of extra lipolysis, recovery, sleep, skin, hair, etc, I'd take advantage of am pinning.

If you pin first thing and not before bed you'll get the benefit of the exogenous GH and later your natural nightly pulse.

If you haven't got ADHD or similar conditions which effect sleep, you'll notice an better quality of sleep

 

[LGOP528]

Here is what I am running currently.

Test P 420mg/week
Tbol 25-50mg/day
Hgh 4 iu/day
Hcg 250 iu 3x a week

I do 2 IU hgh before bed and the other 2 in the morning fasted. I train 5 days a week

I just started the Tbol and love it. I don’t think I will be able to run it for long durations like anavar though. I don’t get crazy pumps from Tbol or anavar. I do supplement with a lot of taurine.

I have ran primo before and it really keeps my fingers from hurting. I don’t aromatize much so it crashes my e2. I am going to try adding npp in at a low dose next.

As someone else stated mast does not act like a suicide AI it binds to a receptor that is related to the negative sides of estrogen. They start talking about this at the 7 minute mark.


View: https://youtu.be/_E9NaiRMKOw

 

[Alyk89]

I used to fight competitively.

I know a lot of fighters are using a TRT dose of test, something to lower SHBG like proviron or masteron and EPO. Not exactly BJJ but similar if you are trying to watch your weight, and do a shit ton of cardio. SHBG will be your enemy.

 

[cmK9s33]

I used to fight competitively.

I know a lot of fighters are using a TRT dose of test, something to lower SHBG like proviron or masteron and EPO. Not exactly BJJ but similar if you are trying to watch your weight, and do a shit ton of cardio. SHBG will be your enemy.

Why is that?

 

[Alyk89]

@cmK9s33 you will be overtraining very quickly because you will be doing way more zone 3-5 cardio than anyone should if you train regularly. Think 4-5 days a week. If you compete you’ll be training 6 days a week.

Also if you are competing you have to manage a lean weight, and end up inevitably under eating to make weight.

For those reasons your SHBG will rise to astronomical levels most likely unless you take drugs.

 

[cmK9s33]

@cmK9s33 you will be overtraining very quickly because you will be doing way more zone 3-5 cardio than anyone should if you train regularly. Think 4-5 days a week. If you compete you’ll be training 6 days a week.

Of course. This is why some (I'm honestly not sure of the number) choose to use test and other aas.

Also if you are competing you have to manage a lean weight, and end up inevitably under eating to make weight.

Not necessarily. If you're trying to compete in a weight class significantly lower than your normal "livable" weight then I suppose so. But water cutting has been and likely always will be a thing. So under eating isn't a given by any means.

Granted, the point of recovery remains, but this is where the aas and peptides come in.

For those reasons your SHBG will rise to astronomical levels most likely unless you take drugs.

Does SHBG increase from overtraining? I know insulin, carb intake, (obviously) aas use and a some others will decrease it.

Anyways, my question from above was asking why is SHBG your enemy in the context you stated? Does it have a negative effect on cardiovascular adaption?