Who here is on a statin?

[Bob1990]

I’ll share my bloodwork next week.
I’ve been on rosuva for 1.5 month now.
My lipids were horrible.
Will see what happens

 

[RockyP]

Thanks for sharing.

Now that you mention it, I don't know if they can prescribe pita in my country. But I know they prescribe rosu, which seems superior to simvastatin. I think I'll wait, complain and try to get pita or rosuvastatin prescribed.

Rosuva is satisfactory. Side effect profile isn’t as good as pita but it’s not terrible. It will have robust effect at 5-10 mg

 

[hexagonal]

Niacin produces poor quality HDL so despite the number rising it’s either going to be useless or even harmful, since “bad” HDL is inflammatory. That’s why all the cardiology guidelines dropped it.

Pita raises HDL quantity AND increases quality. (For anyone curious, APO-I is the marker that indicates HDL quality).

Not sure what supps you’re using to lower cholesterol but I’m going to guess you could buy Pita with the money spent on them and get a better outcome.

Is one of them Red Yeast Rice?

It's not just making bad HDL but one of the terminal metabolites from niacin is known to be inflammatory on its own, so it's a double whammy.

A terminal metabolite of niacin promotes vascular inflammation and contributes to cardiovascular disease risk - PubMed

Despite intensive preventive cardiovascular disease (CVD) efforts, substantial residual CVD risk remains even for individuals receiving all guideline-recommended interventions. Niacin is an essential micronutrient fortified in food staples, but its role in CVD is not well understood. In this...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[thegreatestalltime]

I am (again).
I do not see any risk in low/moderate dose statin therapy.

I also think statins should be a staple supplement during cycle/orals.

For one they are tough on your liver and two certain statins will freely attack your muscle as readily as they will your liver.

No magic pills in this world, everything has its cost.

 

[Ghoul]

For one they are tough on your liver and two certain statins will freely attack your muscle as readily as they will your liver.

No magic pills in this world, everything has its cost.

Show the forum some respect by complying with the rules and writing a new user intro.

 

[hexagonal]

For one they are tough on your liver and two certain statins will freely attack your muscle as readily as they will your liver.

No magic pills in this world, everything has its cost.

Saying "there's no such thing as magic pills" and "everything has a cost" is just spouting some platitudes to back up whatever position you've decided you want to take.

Basing your worldview on pithy sayings doesn't make much sense.

As we understand more and more how and why things work, we are able to make better and better drugs. There are quite a few drugs that have effectively no unwanted side effects when taken at therapeutic doses.

 

[Ghoul]

For one they are tough on your liver and two certain statins will freely attack your muscle as readily as they will your liver.

No magic pills in this world, everything has its cost.

You’re treating a minority risk like a majority outcome.

The old ‘no benefit without cost’ worldview is philosophy, not pharmacology. We measure outcomes, not moral balance.

 

[nullandvoid]

Finally got back complete results, with Lp(a) finishing them out. Quite a few other results not pertinent to this thread like DHEA, Vitamin D, Prolactin, B12 etc.. all came back good. Which is remarkable in the case of DHEA because I had been chronically low for years. Can't build mass for shit, but I can stop the hell out of those plaques from forming. True genetic potential.

 

[Bob1990]

Little update:
My entire bloodwork attached (all I could find)
I tried to find as much from the past I've had and knocked up all in spreadsheet.

I've had a cholesterol problem since I was a kid.
Few years ago diagnosed with hypercholesterolemia..
My lipids are shite because for few years I was on statins they were giving me were causing my muscles tearing apart literally pain af.

Specially with my low Test levels it wasn't helpful for year because 12 years ago I just stopped roids and never came off of it properly no PCT or anything..

In 2022 they sticked me on Atorvastatin 80mg I was knackered after that.
I stopped taking it and then they lovered it to 40mg and included Ezitimibe 10mg.
I kept Ezitimibe and only started Atorvastatin which ended up the same..Agony.

Now I am on Rosuva 5mg only and I am taking Red yeast rice supplements too.. LDL is going down but HDL is going with it too..
I don't feel as much bad now maybe because I've started my TRT 2 months ago now..(doing TRT myself because NHS not keen on starting it and actually I feel better I do it myself)

I do fish oil and CoQ10 supplements too

I wish somehow I could protect my HDL..
I asked for Pitavastatin but apparently NHS is not allowed Pita in UK..
Also need to keep an eye on my Triglicerides

 

[hexagonal]

It looks like RYR in the UK is allowed to contain monacolin k, so this makes more sense than people using it in the US where it is illegal for it to contain it, but monacolin k is chemically identical to lovastatin, the first generation statin that is basically never prescribed anymore because it has one of the worst efficacy to side effect profiles of any statin.

If other statins have given you problems I would be surprised if lovastatin was better - for most people it's among the worst, and you're also effectively doubling up on statin usage.

 

[Scooby69]

It looks like RYR in the UK is allowed to contain monacolin k, so this makes more sense than people using it in the US where it is illegal for it to contain it, but monacolin k is chemically identical to lovastatin, the first generation statin that is basically never prescribed anymore because it has one of the worst efficacy to side effect profiles of any statin.

If other statins have given you problems I would be surprised if lovastatin was better - for most people it's among the worst, and you're also effectively doubling up on statin usage.

Some red yeast rice supplements also could have citrinin in them, which is a toxin that can harm the kidneys. As you point out, since the active ingredient in RYR is a statin, it doesn't make sense to combine it with a statin anyway.

If you aren't tolerating the statins well, maybe consider an alternative to statin such as bempedoic acid.

 

[juicebro]

Decided to come off rosuvastatin today. I was only taking 5mg but something has completely fucked my joints over the last few years. That dry stiff feeling perfectly fits statin side effects. I never used to have joint issues before. I'm keeping repatha and ezetimibe though. I hope it's not too late

Statins reduce:

• tendon fibroblast proliferation
• Type I collagen synthesis
• mitochondrial function in connective tissue
• glycosaminoglycan production (joint lubrication and cartilage resilience)
• nitric oxide signaling (soft tissue blood flow)

Which leads to:

• stiff, dry, less elastic tendons
• slower turnover of micro-damage
• much higher injury risk when training hard
• delayed healing from surgery

Not only that but apparently statins also lower mtor and protein synthesis. In other words statins can potentially fuck you out of your hard earned gains.

Statins reduce:

• Akt signaling
• Protein synthesis rate per workout
• Satellite cell activation after mechanical load
• Collagen turnover and tendon remodeling
• Myotube growth

Typical figures from controlled studies:

• 20–35 percent reduction in muscle protein synthesis after training
• 35–50 percent reduction in satellite cell response in animal models

 

[Ghoul]

 

[hexagonal]

In HIV patients (a group significantly at risk for muscle loss), pitavastatin showed no muscle or strength loss vs. placebo. If you're worried about this, pitavastatin does not enter muscle tissue at a high rate, especially compared to other lyphophilic statins due to some aspects of it's chemistry.

No Evidence of Pitavastatin Effect on Muscle Area or Density among People with HIV - PMC

Skeletal muscle area (MA) and muscle density (MD) are key determinants of physical function and typically decline with increasing age. Statins have well-known musculoskeletal effects but whether statins impact MA or MD is not well established, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pitavastatin Is Well-Tolerated With no Detrimental Effects on Physical Function - PubMed

We observed minimal declines in physical function over 5 years of follow-up among middle-aged PWH, with no differences among PWH randomized to pitavastatin compared to placebo. This finding, combined with low prevalence of myalgias, supports the long-term safety of statin therapy on physical...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Even "worse" statins don't seem to cause an issue, though, such as atorvastatin

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.112.136101

I can't find a study explicitly looking at people on a hypertrophy program and see any direct comparisons but I think we can extrapolate a good bit from these.

 

[Ghoul]

In HIV patients (a group significantly at risk for muscle loss), pitavastatin showed no muscle or strength loss vs. placebo. If you're worried about this, pitavastatin does not enter muscle tissue at a high rate, especially compared to other lyphophilic statins due to some aspects of it's chemistry.

No Evidence of Pitavastatin Effect on Muscle Area or Density among People with HIV - PMC

Skeletal muscle area (MA) and muscle density (MD) are key determinants of physical function and typically decline with increasing age. Statins have well-known musculoskeletal effects but whether statins impact MA or MD is not well established, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pitavastatin Is Well-Tolerated With no Detrimental Effects on Physical Function - PubMed

We observed minimal declines in physical function over 5 years of follow-up among middle-aged PWH, with no differences among PWH randomized to pitavastatin compared to placebo. This finding, combined with low prevalence of myalgias, supports the long-term safety of statin therapy on physical...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Even "worse" statins don't seem to cause an issue, though, such as atorvastatin

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.112.136101

I can't find a study explicitly looking at people on a hypertrophy program and see any direct comparisons but I think we can extrapolate a good bit from these.

One thing I’ve been remiss about is mentioning the value of CoQ10, esp if concerned about statin muscle issues.

Statins reduce circulating CoQ10 by around 20%. 10-20% of adults have low Coq10 to begin with, so this drop can push them over the edge into low coq10 symptoms (fatigue, muscle soreness, slow recovery).

It seems a lot of people take a Coq10 supplement anyway, but I’m going to try mention it more frequently.

I wasn’t having any issues, but subjectively I’m less tired post workout after starting coq10 (ubiquinol, the bio active type, slightly more expensive, because the more common ubiquinone requires conversion which is impaired in some).

 

[juicebro]

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Forced mechanism prompt sturcture? I literally asked it if rosuvastatin could be responsible for my bad joints lol. What about mtor and protein synthesis?

You gotta double check everything AI tells you because it's designed to please you and be agreeable. I got chatgpt to agree some of what it told me was plain wrong but not everything.

I should try doing a deep search on this. So far it doesn't seem that there is STRONG evidence statins are bad for joints but there are lots of case studies and an overwhelming amount of anecdotal reports.

Good, this is the right way to sanity-check things.

I’ll go claim by claim. When the evidence doesn’t support the harm, I’ll say so.

Claim 1 – “Statins increase risk of tendinopathy”​

Supported for some tendinopathy types.

Key human data

1. Nationwide Korean cohort, 84,102 statin users vs 168,204 non-users
   
   – Statin treatment (all types) was associated with higher risk of several tendinopathies (trigger finger, De Quervain, epicondylitis, rotator-cuff tendinopathy, Achilles tendinitis).
   
   – Overall HR for any tendinopathy ≈ 1.44 (95% CI 1.41–1.46).
2. Swedish population cohorts + in-vitro study
   
   – Current statin users had higher incidence of trigger finger and shoulder tendinopathy; adjusted HR for shoulder tendinopathy ≈ 1.4 in men.
3. MDPI case-report + systematic review of “shoulder tendinopathy induced by statins”
   
   – Summarizes human observational data where statin users showed significantly higher rate of shoulder tendinopathy than non-users in a large cohort; atorvastatin and simvastatin most implicated.
4. Recent systematic review “Statins: bitter enemies of tendons or not?” (2025)
   
   – Pooled clinical data show increased risk of tendinopathies (trigger finger, Achilles tendinitis, etc.) in some cohorts, while effects differ by tendon and statin type.

Bottom line:

In humans on normal doses, there is consistent evidence of higher tendinopathy incidence, especially shoulder/Achilles/trigger finger. It is not universal, but the signal is real.

Claim 2 – “Statins increase risk of tendon rupture”​

Not clearly supported overall; signal only in subgroups.

Neutral / no-effect large studies

1. UK/European cohort of new statin users; Achilles or biceps rupture
   
   – After propensity-score matching and adjustment, HR for rupture was 0.95 (95% CI 0.84–1.08) → no increased risk.
2. Population-based cohort (≈35,000 statin users vs 69,000 controls)
   
   – No difference in tendon rupture incidence between statin and non-statin groups.
3. Systematic review “Statins and tendinopathy” (2016)
   
   – Concluded there is limited evidence that statins increase rupture risk in the general population; some data even suggested simvastatin might reduce rupture risk.

1. Case–control study (2009)
   
   – Overall no association, but women with tendon rupture were more likely to be on statins (adjusted OR 3.76; 95% CI 1.11–12.75).
2. Narrative review “Tendinopathy and Tendon Rupture Associated with Statins”
   
   – Summarizes case reports/series where Achilles, quadriceps, distal biceps ruptures occurred on statins and often improved after discontinuation.

Bottom line:

For the average person, big datasets do not show clear rupture risk.

But in high-load individuals or some subgroups, there are enough case reports and subgroup signals that it’s a plausible risk factor, not pure fantasy.

Claim 3 – “Statins impair skeletal muscle mitochondrial function and blunt training adaptations”​

Supported in humans at standard simvastatin doses.

1. Randomized trial – 12 weeks aerobic training ± simvastatin 40 mg/day
   
   – Exercise only: VO₂peak ↑ 10%, skeletal-muscle citrate synthase (mitochondrial content) ↑ 13%.
   
   – Exercise + simvastatin: VO₂peak ↑ only 1.5%; citrate synthase ↓ 4.5%.
   
   – Conclusion: simvastatin attenuates exercise-induced increases in fitness and muscle mitochondrial content.
2. LIFESTAT study – cross-sectional human muscle biopsies
   
   – Statin users (with and without myalgia) had reduced mitochondrial complex II–linked respiration vs non-users; intramuscular CoQ10 unchanged.
3. Platelet study – humans on therapeutic rosuvastatin or atorvastatin for 6 weeks
   
   – In permeabilized platelets, complex-I–linked respiration was decreased after treatment.
4. Training study in statin users
   
   – Moderate-intensity endurance + resistance training still improved strength and citrate synthase overall, but asymptomatic statin users had smaller mitochondrial gains than controls.

Bottom line:

Multiple human studies show real mitochondrial and training-adaptation interference, especially with simvastatin. That supports being cautious when you’re chasing hypertrophy and performance.

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Claim 4 – “Statins cause muscle symptoms and weakness”​

Well supported clinically.

1. ACC clinical commentary summarizing simvastatin trial and broader data
   
   – Notes ~10% muscle complaints in statin studies, ~6% excess over placebo.
2. Randomized re-challenge study in patients with “statin myalgia”
   
   – 120 patients with prior symptoms; only 36% had reproducible myalgia on statin vs placebo, but in that subgroup simvastatin clearly increased pain scores; CoQ10 did not help.
3. Systematic review/meta-analysis of CoQ10 in statin myopathy (2024)
   
   – Background section reiterates that SAMS are linked to mitochondrial dysfunction and occur in a minority but real subset of patients.

Bottom line:

Muscle pain and reduced performance are recognized, dose-dependent adverse effects in a subset of users, tied to mitochondrial and metabolic changes.

Claim 5 – “Statins reduce nitric oxide / damage endothelial function”​

This is where I need to correct what I told you earlier.

Human data at therapeutic doses show the opposite:

1. Meta-analysis of 46 RCTs, 2706 patients
   
   – Statin treatment significantly improved endothelial function, measured by flow-mediated dilation and other techniques (SMD ~0.66).
2. Randomized trials in hypercholesterolemia and diabetes
   
   – Atorvastatin and rosuvastatin improved FMD and NO-mediated vasodilation of peripheral and renal vasculature vs placebo.
3. Mechanistic human study in CAD
   
   – Atorvastatin 40 mg/day for 3 days improved vascular tetrahydrobiopterin, increased NO bioavailability and reduced arterial superoxide, independently of LDL lowering.
4. Review on “paradoxical effects” of statins on endothelial cells
   
   – Shows low, clinically relevant concentrations enhance eNOS and NO; only very high in-vitro doses can be pro-apoptotic or dysfunctional.

Bottom line:

At normal human doses, statins generally improve endothelial NO and function. My earlier blanket claim that they “reduce NO signaling” was wrong outside of high-dose cell-culture contexts.

Claims with weak or mainly in-vitro support​

For transparency:

• “Statins reduce tendon fibroblast proliferation / collagen synthesis / GAG production”
  
  – There are in-vitro tendon-cell studies at micromolar statin levels showing reduced collagen synthesis and altered matrix (the Swedish tenocyte 3D culture work is one example).
  
  – I could not find strong human, in-vivo data proving a large collagen/GAG suppression at standard doses. This is mechanistic speculation extrapolated from cell models.

Take-home for you​

1. Real, human evidence supports:
   
   • Higher risk of tendinopathy
   • Blunting of training adaptations and mitochondrial gains
   • A genuine subset with muscle symptoms and weakness
2. Rupture risk is less clear in the general population but still a reasonable concern in high-load lifters on high doses.
3. Endothelial NO is mostly helped, not harmed, by therapeutic statins.
4. Many mechanistic horror lists online mix good human data, rat/tenocyte petri-dish data at insane doses, and pure speculation. You have to separate those buckets.

If you want to go deeper on one specific claim (for example, “statins and tendon healing after surgery” or “statins and muscle protein synthesis/mTOR”), I can pull just that slice next.

Were my earlier mTOR/protein synthesis claims “clearly backed”?​

• Mechanistic level (cells/animals): yes, very strongly.
• Human level (bodybuilder-relevant): only indirectly, via impaired adaptations; not clean, direct proof on mTOR or MPS at normal doses.

So if we’re being strict:

• Saying “statins can downregulate Akt/mTOR and protein synthesis in muscle” is accurate mechanistically.
• Saying “in humans they reduce MPS by 20–35%” was too strong / not directly proven and should be treated as an informed extrapolation, not a measured fact.

 

[MaxPayne09]

My LDL, APO-B, and TRI remained very high for two years despite losing 30 pounds, improving my health, and trying alternatives like Red Yeast Rice. We believed it was genetic since I wasn't overly obese or experiencing other health issues. Eventually, I asked my doctor to prescribe statins. I started with 5 mg of Rosuvastatin, which slightly improved my numbers but not significantly. After changing doctors, my new doctor increased the dose to 10 mg, which significantly improved my cholesterol levels. I then ran out of my prescription and was too lazy to refill it. I started Reta and TRT, and after 2 months, I checked my blood work. Despite not taking statins for two months, my levels remained good and only rose slightly.
I'd recommend taking statins if your levels have been elevated for a while or try going on Reta or Tirz and see if that helps bring it down

 

[hexagonal]

Forced mechanism prompt sturcture? I literally asked it if rosuvastatin could be responsible for my bad joints lol. What about mtor and protein synthesis?

You gotta double check everything AI tells you because it's designed to please you and be agreeable. I got chatgpt to agree some of what it told me was plain wrong but not everything.

I should try doing a deep search on this. So far it doesn't seem that there is STRONG evidence statins are bad for joints but there are lots of case studies and an overwhelming amount of anecdotal reports.

Treating all statins equally on this measure just doesn't make much sense because they all have different profiles on how they impact these things, and you can't necessarily draw conclusions from one to the other.

Hydrophilic statins like rosuvastatin are more hepatoselective and have a tougher time entering muscle cells. Pitavastatin is lipophilic but also has a similar profile to hydrophilic statins when it comes to it's hepatoselectivity.

This means there is a strong possibility the outcome is going to be very different on these things because we know the mechanisms at play are different.