What are your favorite cutting Compunds?

[BigTomJ]

Nice summary. Risk from intestinal blockage definitely more palatable than DNP sides.

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oh dont get me wrong, i dont think any of the GLP-1 RA drugs are "safe" like they are touted.

Im generally of the old school opinion that, outside of a contest prep scenario, taking cutting aids for a casual fat loss phase is foolish and only shows a lack of personal discipline.

If you are utilizing cutting aids in a casual fat loss phase you are entirely avoiding the root cause of what made you fat in the first place (in most cases), which is the poor lifestyle choices.

 

[readalot]

oh dont get me wrong,

It is quite difficult to get you wrong. You go out of your way to express your thoughts in a clear, understandable manner. Thank you for taking the time to do that.

 

[BigTomJ]

It is quite difficult to get you wrong. You go out of your way to express your thoughts in a clear, understandable manner. Thank you for taking the time to do that.

Thanks for posting that GLP1 research, its a subject matter i havent dove to deeply into just because they havent personally interested me for my needs and because of how new they are, relatively speaking.

While i hadnt "trusted" them at this point, i didnt have any real reason or seen any research suggesting that they were that hazardous until now.

Now i have some interesting new reading to do during this super slow period at work.

 

[readalot]

Thanks for posting that GLP1 research, its a subject matter i havent dove to deeply into just because they havent personally interested me for my needs and because of how new they are, relatively speaking.

While i hadnt "trusted" them at this point, i didnt have any real reason or seen any research suggesting that they were that hazardous until now.

Now i have some interesting new reading to do during this super slow period at work.

You gotta hand it to Novo for their subscription model-based weight loss similar to the software industry. I am personally not a fan of the "human farming" model. Go off our product and you gain the weight back. Way better to retrain your body and mind how to "eat to live" instead of "live to eat". Or in our particular subculture eating is just a means to an end. I no longer look at what most humans eat as human food.

Whole thread has some decent links to give one pause. But of course the risk reward comes down to individual. I agree with you to do the "hard stuff" first.

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[BigTomJ]

You gotta hand it to Novo for their subscription model-based weight loss similar to the software industry. I am personally not s fan of the "human farming" model. Go off our product and you gain the weight back. Way better to retrain your body and mind how to "eat to live" instead of "live to eat". Or in our particular subculture eating is just a means to an end. I no longer look at what most humans eat as human food.

Whole thread has some decent links to give one pause. But of course the risk reward comes down to individual. I agree with you to do the "hard stuff" first.

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Yeah, im not trying to disparage the every day person that is simply looking for a means to be healthier. I know a number of people outside of the fitness circles that simply dont have the fortitude to make those hard choices and commit to them.
at the end of the day, id still wager that losing the weight, but having to take a glp1 ra to get there is probably less risk than sustaining obesity and diabetes lifelong. I dont fault people for looking for relief there.

However, in the PED and fitness space, you would expect a greater degree of nutritional and dietary knowledge and understanding, as well as a higher degree of personal accountability.
However this expectation is obviously fantasy

 

[readalot]

Thanks for posting that GLP1 research, its a subject matter i havent dove to deeply into just because they havent personally interested me for my needs and because of how new they are, relatively speaking.

While i hadnt "trusted" them at this point, i didnt have any real reason or seen any research suggesting that they were that hazardous until now.

Now i have some interesting new reading to do during this super slow period at work.

Which brings us to the current situation with compounding pharmacies and what they are actually selling. I am trying to determine that currently. Perhaps I'll have better luck with that than getting my pharmacy to share C of A for the --------- [edited] they sent me. I am beginning to believe the line between UGLs and compounding pharmacies is eroding rapidly. The GLP-1 situation is a great example.

Non Pharma GLPs not real? GLP Salts? Can someone who knows chemistry explain?

There have been numerous stories out there about how the GLP pharma companies are starting to go after the compounding pharmacies and weight loss clinics that are offering compounded Semaglutide and Tirzepatide. One of the things you read over and over is how the non pharma versions are salts...

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@BigTomJ

 

[Nilatac]

Vastly different therapeutic indices between AAS, GH, insulin and DNP.

Almost impossible to kill yourself from acute overdose of AAS absent a fatal arrythmia/cardiac electrical event/sudden cardiac death. Very simple with DNP with no reversibility.

How would you plot the green function and purple function for DNP?

What is the big issue confronting us?


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0,5-1,5mg/kg is a something that can be used. That dose I would "recommend".
No more than 200-250 to prevent overheating and sides.The general 200-250 mg dose I posted is something that almost anyone can take and not happen anything to him,and actually be able to finish 2 weeks on.

Now there are cases and cases. Some can stay on dnp all year long like there is cases that this happened and be fine. It's individual dependent. Some can tolerate more mg.
I for example don't always take 200 mg but I have taken dnp in the past and I know how react to. For someone who is a first time shouldn't try more especially from the start.

I won't say that is very simple to kill yourself with dnp. Isn't very simple at all. That's why the cases are very few and those people had no info on dnp. Now when there is Internet you can get info on how to do something in the most safely manner.
You must to don't respect some simple rule. That's why I said on a fast forward way no more than 200-250 mg for 2 weeks and avoid carbs.
At that dose and duration you can take and be safe. That is a simple rule the avreage Joe can follow and not get in trouble.

Regarding cataracts. 0,8% incident rates. Not even 1%. Also cataracts occurred in people had some predisposition. The % of healthy guy to get cataracts is even lower than 0,8%.
What is the % wise of people going on a first cycle and not be able to recover his test level? I don't know but is a risk you take before taking something.

DNP,tren and high dosage offers some discussion as people just repeat like a parrot what they been hearing left or right

 

[lilhawk]

Its almost 2024.

If you're still using DNP you're an absolute jackass.
Put the fork down you fat slob.

DNP is overkill for anyone that maintains a reasonable bodycomp (which absolutely ANYONE who is using PEDS of any kind should be)
and anyone who doesnt maintain a reasonable bodycomp clearly doesnt have the foundational knowledge, experience, or discipline required to safely and responsibly use PEDS.

Nowadays, even those that dont have an ounce of personal accountability or self control have semaglutide and similar GLP-1 ag drugs to make up for their lack of self control far more safely than taking an industrial pesticide/explosive.

Good post. The majority of people in the USA are lazy slobs that have absolutely no will power or determination. Always looking for the easy way that requires the least amount of effort. Anyone using DNP is simply a fool. I had a friend that thought he was using it safely and died from it with a body temp of 108 when he died. Same shit with Sema and the other GLP-1 drugs. I work with a bunch of lazy pigs that are taking it because they can't stop eating shit. Gonna be kind of funny when their insurance stops paying for it when there BMI gets too low and then they'll gain all the weight back and more because they didn't change their lifestyle and just relied on a quick fix.

 

[readalot]

I don't know but is a risk you take before taking something

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[BigTomJ]

0,5-1,5mg/kg is a something that can be used. That dose I would "recommend".
No more than 200-250 to prevent overheating and sides.The general 200-250 mg dose I posted is something that almost anyone can take and not happen anything to him,and actually be able to finish 2 weeks on.

Now there are cases and cases. Some can stay on dnp all year long like there is cases that this happened and be fine. It's individual dependent. Some can tolerate more mg.
I for example don't always take 200 mg but I have taken dnp in the past and I know how react to. For someone who is a first time shouldn't try more especially from the start.

I won't say that is very simple to kill yourself with dnp. Isn't very simple at all. That's why the cases are very few and those people had no info on dnp. Now when there is Internet you can get info on how to do something in the most safely manner.
You must to don't respect some simple rule. That's why I said on a fast forward way no more than 200-250 mg for 2 weeks and avoid carbs.
At that dose and duration you can take and be safe. That is a simple rule the avreage Joe can follow and not get in trouble.

Regarding cataracts. 0,8% incident rates. Not even 1%. Also cataracts occurred in people had some predisposition. The % of healthy guy to get cataracts is even lower than 0,8%.
What is the % wise of people going on a first cycle and not be able to recover his test level? I don't know but is a risk you take before taking something.

DNP,tren and high dosage offers some discussion as people just repeat like a parrot what they been hearing left or right

Sounds like you have a lot of experience with DNP.


tell me, why have you needed to use DNP multiple times?

 

[Nilatac]

Sounds like you have a lot of experience with DNP.


tell me, why have you needed to use DNP multiple times?

I just want to be in and out of a cut. Don't want to stay a lot in deficit as strength take a hit.
What I do with a low dose dnp of 2 weeks without it will take me 6 or 8 weeks.
Clen I don't take as I feel worse on clen than on dnp and neither t3.
I don't have a lot of bf either way as I take care what I eat and taking aas helps indirectly with bf.

That's why I take dnp usually 2 weeks once a year but this year I didn't took as my training was off and this year was more of maintaining one with a low dose of aas.

 

[Dang-1]

As always, there appears to be a massive delta between the risk adverse and less risk adverse. This whole place has got to be mind boggling for the non PED users of the world. I can just imagine them scratching their heads trying to understand why one camp is arguing taking AAS and GH while dieting is enough and the other camp is promoting far more drastic drugs.

If we pull back from our sandbox for a sec I’m pretty sure we are all considered risk takers. I do draw the line at Clen, DNP, Segma, ect… as just unnecessary risks when low carb calorie restriction with 125-175mg test seems to be very effective. To the outside world though I bet that distinction is totally lost and I’m viewed as an extreme nutbag

 

[6FootFatty]

Funny how many bashing DNP have never tried DNP.

It's like those hating on Range Rovers that have never owned a Range Rover.

I've used DNP before. I used it responsibly (the irony, eh?) and stuck to my protocol. Usually 21 days max. My highest dose was 750mg ONCE and it was on the last day of my cycle. I have never exceeded 500mg (400mg crystal). I experience NO side effects besides the sweats and the inability to sleep. Everyone is different, sure. But, saying DNP is not worth the risk, is absurd. Find me something close to DNP, and you may have a point.

Until then, as much as the statement might get you triggered, DNP is the KING of fat loss.

 

[Dickwang]

Until then, as much as the statement might get you triggered, DNP is the KING of fat loss.

Who would have guessed the guy who eats poison to loose weight has Fatty in his username.

 

[readalot]

It's like those hating on Range Rovers that have never owned a Range Rover.

Haha, I always heard this one with something different than range rovers.

 

[Dickwang]

Funny how many bashing DNP have never tried DNP.

It's like those hating on Range Rovers that have never owned a Range Rover.
.

Until then, as much as the statement might get you triggered, DNP is the KING of fat loss.

People these days bro. They be hating on ingesting poison cause they never ingested poison.

Ban this fat lazy fuck for promoting DNP.

Wonder what his parents would think if they found out their son was taking poison used in explosives manufacturing to lose weight. They’d probably cry. Like any parent would.

#harmreduction

 

[readalot]

People these days bro. They be hating on ingesting poison cause they never ingested poison.

Ban this fat lazy fuck for promoting DNP.

Wonder what his parents would think if they found out their son was taking poison used in explosives manufacturing to lose weight. They’d probably cry. Like any parent would.

#harmreduction

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Careful with the ATF. Don't recommend a bulk buy.

Publication of Federal Explosives Laws and Regulations (ATF P 5400.7) | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

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[Dickwang]

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Careful with the ATF. Don't recommend a bulk buy.

Imagine getting arrested and having to go to court and say

“Your honor , I swear to god I was going to eat this to lose weight, not make explosives”

If I was the judge I’d immediately say “guilty” and lock his ass up.

 

[readalot]

Imagine getting arrested and having to go to court and say

“Your honor , I swear to god I was going to eat this to lose weight, not make explosives”

If I was the judge I’d immediately say “guilty” and lock his ass up.

Merciful justice to save him from himself.

I'd prefer a court mandated class in CBT and community service instead. Help him reclaim himself from the grip of body dysmorphia.

I've seen a few mentions of BAM15 but why not cut to the chase and bring out the big guns....

Carbonyl cyanide m-chlorophenyl hydrazone - Wikipedia

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Just a lil dab will do ya.

 

[Dickwang]

Help him reclaim himself from the grip of body dysmorphia.

You speak the truth