Advice to cruising discipline

[Jackedjack8273648]

Alright, so I’m only 8 months or so into my AAS journey. 35M 6’0”. Been on a bulk blast of 400/300 test:deca for 8 of 16 week cycle. Already planning my summer cut- loaded up on test/primo/mast (over paid for sure, but don’t want to roll the dice of where things will be in March). I am sticking to TRT as I feel so much better on it and have no need for additional children (the Mrs agrees).

I’m trying to follow all the good advice I see on here. But I just worry about my own self control to stick with TRT dosing between blasts. So is there anything your guys do to stay disciplined during cruises? It just feels so good making these gains and size improvements! I’m trying to stick to a max 2 blasts per year (12 week summer cut and 16 week winter bulk).

Second question is do most people stick to just 2 blasts per year? Also- I’m not competing (yet…?). This is purely for my mental health/vanity.

 

[adrenalytic]

Start with the lowest dose where you are still making gains and titrate up slowly. Forget "blasting" in the beginning. The number one mistake most new guys make (I did this too) is starting with a TRT+ dose that is way overkill.

You don't even have enough ARs to handle all that test when you first start. AR gets upregulated over time from increased exposure to androgens. So doing a first blast with 500+ mg of test is more than your body can put to good use. You get all the sides and less of the benefits.

A good strategy is to start at a higher end TRT dose of say 250 mg/wk. Run that for about 6-8 weeks and track your progress and food like an autistic statistician. When you stop making gains, increase your food intake. If that doesn't help, then you can increase the drugs by say 50-100 mg increments. Run for another 6-8 weeks and reassess.

The name of the game is to run cycles using the lowest mgs possible while still making gains. This will give you the greatest longevity.

 

[Dafty]

Start with the lowest dose where you are still making gains and titrate up slowly. Forget "blasting" in the beginning. The number one mistake most new guys make (I did this too) is starting with a TRT+ dose that is way overkill.

You don't even have enough ARs to handle all that test when you first start. AR gets upregulated over time from increased exposure to androgens. So doing a first blast with 500+ mg of test is more than your body can put to good use. You get all the sides and less of the benefits.

A good strategy is to start at a higher end TRT dose of say 250 mg/wk. Run that for about 6-8 weeks and track your progress and food like an autistic statistician. When you stop making gains, increase your food intake. If that doesn't help, then you can increase the drugs by say 50-100 mg increments. Run for another 6-8 weeks and reassess.

The name of the game is to run cycles using the lowest mgs possible while still making gains. This will give you the greatest longevity.

I agree in principle in what you're saying, or atleast it's a viable method (not the only method)

BUT

This whole nonsense about not having enough AR to make use of 500mg as a newbie is complete horseshit and flies the face of all the research we have.

Bhasin et al 1996 study clearly found in UNTRAINED individuals gains continue to increase with dosage until atleast 600mg

 

[BabaJagga]

depends imo. if you call it cruise, not trt.

you can cruise on bit of higher mg's, combination with low dose of something else, use preworkout boosts, like TNE.

i was "crusing" on 250 test, at 1300mg/dl with sprinkle of tne here and there.

at the end of the day, its your choice.

 

[adrenalytic]

I agree in principle in what you're saying, or atleast it's a viable method (not the only method)

BUT

This whole nonsense about not having enough AR to make use of 500mg as a newbie is complete horseshit and flies the face of all the research we have.

Bhasin et al 1996 study clearly found in UNTRAINED individuals gains continue to increase with dosage until atleast 600mg

1996 was 29 years ago. You seriously citing a study on UNTRAINED individuals from 3 decades ago to make your point? I have some studies from the 1500's stating that bloodletting expels the humors that cause headaches too.

Anyway, that study was 10 weeks long and only used 600mg, not other dosages to compare so it doesn't really bolster your argument. 600mg given to any untrained individual they are going to grow for 10 weeks. Has nothing to do with AR density. It has to do with being newly trained and on high androgens. But that's not the point I was making. Those same men could have used half the dose and gotten likely the same exact gains. Guess why? Lower AR density in the muscles due to being untrained. That's the point I was making. The study doesn't say if they were already on TRT or not so who knows what their starting point was.

Of course UNTRAINED people are going to grow when they START to train.

Anyone can be extreme and blast a gram of gear right out the gate. They will grow for a good long while. Guess what else is going to happen? Extreme side effects. Meaning you will have to lower the dose much sooner with basically the same gains you could have gotten on 2/3rds of that androgen load. Not only that, you're going to adapt to that high load. So next time you will have to blast 1.1 grams of gear (or more) to achieve a similar response. Guess why? AR downregulation.

I could go on but it would be wasted time since you don't understand the basics. Go do some homework and come back when you have some data from this century.

 

[Dafty]

1996 was 29 years ago. You seriously citing a study on UNTRAINED individuals from 3 decades ago to make your point? I have some studies from the 1500's stating that bloodletting expels the humors that cause headaches too.

Anyway, that study was 10 weeks long and only used 600mg, not other dosages to compare so it doesn't really bolster your argument. 600mg given to any untrained individual they are going to grow for 10 weeks. Has nothing to do with AR density. It has to do with being newly trained and on high androgens. But that's not the point I was making. Those same men could have used half the dose and gotten likely the same exact gains. Guess why? Lower AR density in the muscles due to being untrained. That's the point I was making. The study doesn't say if they were already on TRT or not so who knows what their starting point was.

Of course UNTRAINED people are going to grow when they START to train.

Anyone can be extreme and blast a gram of gear right out the gate. They will grow for a good long while. Guess what else is going to happen? Extreme side effects. Meaning you will have to lower the dose much sooner with basically the same gains you could have gotten on 2/3rds of that androgen load. Not only that, you're going to adapt to that high load. So next time you will have to blast 1.1 grams of gear (or more) to achieve a similar response. Guess why? AR downregulation.

I could go on but it would be wasted time since you don't understand the basics. Go do some homework and come back when you have some data from this century.

Oh lord glass houses and stones, good sir!

Actually it was the bhasin 2001 study I was meant to quote - this was a graduated dose response study with the doses from 25mg - 600mg per week over 20 weeks that showed an increase in LBM gains in proportion to dose.

Ohh look, it's from this century too!

Noones suggesting blasting a gram, I'm just pointing out that to say "using 500mg doesn't return greater results because of lack of AR" is absolute nonsense and flies in the face of both the study and collective experience.

Ps. Also no such thing AR down regulation. There are other mechanisms that the body uses to regulate growth over time, but they have nothing to do with AR.

Now less shouty aggression, and more engaging in good faith. Its what adults do.

 

[IndividualMan]

AR downregulation.

AR downregulation is not real. It is cope used by people who always just upped the dosage and never learned to train properly.
hence the "you will have to take more just to make the same gains".

AR density just gets higher and higher the longer you are on androgens. The receptors themselves exist for a day or so at the very most (androgens extend their lifespan a bit).
The lifecycle of an AR can be as low as a few hours. Desensitisation, Downregulation and all those other myths are straight cope. Your ARs are fresh and receptive for androgens every single day.


Also, Bhasin 2001 shows a logarithmic response to Test (approximately) iirc
for every doubling of the dose you get about half the gains of the previous doubling (talking strictly the gains made via AAS)