MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
I've always learned that the proof is in the pudding. 1000s of injections later among 100.000s of users with an extremely low incidence of infections tells me the products are sterile enough. Some contamination is to be expected if you'd inspect every single vial, but it doesn't automatically mean it will cause you any significant harm.
Access and fever are not the only types of infections. You can get fungal infections on your organs that leach slowly without you knowing that antibiotics cant treat. Sepsis that can kill you. *Staphalacoccus aureus* mutations like MRSA that very commen on the skin flora of about 25% of the population.
yep, fearmongering. In theory you are right. But in the real world it hardly ever happens.
Ive seen multiple incidents sure thats a small fraction of thousands of injections its to many especially if im the one responsible for filling that vial.
When I used to homebrew, and I wanted to make myself small quantities like 1-5 vials of a special blend / rare compound, I didn't even bother filtering after doing it for a few years.
junkies filter dope through dirty cigarette filters and reuse needles and manage to not OD on fentynol constantly. Doesn't mean its safe because some get away with it. And not filtering at all with Chinese raws is crazy.
I never said you will always get and infection or die. But you could and a steroid user will do thousands of injections and luck always runs out. I dont care someone does it personally if they understand the risk but having the opinion you should do it properly shouldn't be tossed out as loonisy. I do believe if your packaging it for sale not personal use you have a higher responsibility to do it right .
Show me where we did that.
I'm a little bit lost on what we're exactly discussing. If refiltering china gear, I don't see the point, but if there ade visible floaters, by all means. If it's about homebrewing, of course ffs use a filter! If peptides, waste of time and money but there might be long term benefits that we just don't know yet. Will filtering make steroids and peptides safe? No.
You supposedly work in sterile compounding and your attitude is this blasé? Makes me doubt your legitimacy honestly.
Filtration isnt about making the product safe all the way around its 1 step removing microorganisms and their spores . And even that does nothing for LPS ( endotoxin) then you gotta worry about heavy metal contamination and HPLC nor GCMS can tell that you need ICP MS and thats only gonna be at a big certified lab that wont touch unregulated APis that are controlled substances. Unless you send it in with one of those kits labeled a dietary supplement. But regardless I dont see a reason to scoff at the idea of being careful let everyone have there opinion and debate why you feel that way and let everyone make their own decisions. But Im not gonna shame someone for suggesting proper procedures because Im one of the super carefull ones that goes by the book . I know you would give me shit about being paranoid I run sterility test environmental monitoring bioburden assays on APIs .
Dunno if it helps, but placed another order a while ago and they were 'backordered' but ended up shipping in a couple days, so I'm guessing they are in somewhat constant supply.
I was mainly talkimg about not filtering brew and saying a hood was unnecessary for aseptic compounding . Why would you change the stopper to begin with unless you suspect they used low quality silicone shit that will break down in the product . And how you gonna sterilize the stoppers please dont say 70% IPA because thats hardly good enough . Way better off just transferring them into better quality pre sterile sealed vials. I dont even touch stoppers when Im double gloved I use forceps and flame them with a bunson burner everytime I set them down.
