(US) Long term stash planning BIG Thread

[Photon]

the Expired should be able to withstand a 10 year storage right? That first one was the one I was looking for.

I have no clue how you're storing it lol.
(Also not sure what the condition of it is currently)

But if i'm taking anything out after 10 years, I'd probably re-filter it into a new vial after. Rubber can get brittle over time especially at low temperatures.

 

[Sera]

Either works fine.

If you're ok with expired use this

20mm, 10ml and 30ml Non-Sterile, Empty, Clear Glass Vials with FluroTec™ barrier film, EXPIRED

Non-sterile 20mm, 10ml and 30ml FluroTec™vials are expired and are no longer considered sterile. These are for use with procedures that do not require the vial to be sterile.

www.farrislabs.com

Else use this

Ultra Spec 10ML Clear Sealed Sterile Glass Vials, Qty 1

Ultra Spec Sterile Clear Sealed Glass Vials - 10ML (20mm Neck) made of SCHOTT FIOLAX® glass tubing. In order to receive vials in sealed shrink wrap boxes, please order in multiples of 25.

www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com

Those expired vials were out of stock last I checked.

 

[Photon]

Those expired vials were out of stock last I checked.

It allows me to add to cart.
Does it error during payment?

 

[Sera]

It allows me to add to cart.
Does it error during payment?

Ah, last time I tried to buy them it said ‘backorder’ and they never got back to me about restocking. I assumed since they were expired it seemed unlikely to get more in stock.

 

[JBird99]

I have no clue how you're storing it lol.
(Also not sure what the condition of it is currently)

But if i'm taking anything out after 10 years, I'd probably re-filter it into a new vial after. Rubber can get brittle over time especially at low temperatures.

Sorry that would be relevant huh? Lol I’m thinking about freezing and all of them are pretty new vials so I want to jump ahead of the curve. I don’t think storing at room temp would fare well or would it?
Does it matter for the filters if I have tren EQ or mast?

 

[Photon]

Sorry that would be relevant huh? Lol I’m thinking about freezing and all of them are pretty new vials so I want to jump ahead of the curve. I don’t think storing at room temp would fare well or would it?
Does it matter for the filters if I have tren EQ or mast?

I'd think they'd be fine in the freezer.
Reason for filtering is because I'm not sure if the rubber will start cracking when u poke it..10 years later.

 

[Thorshammer]

Not to mention a laminar flow hood is unnecessary.

In pharmaceutical manufacture we would use an isolator; however these don't strictly use laminar flow.

However UGLs don't use an isolator, or a mini-cube (small laminar flow hood). Your product is made "sterile" by filtering and use of BA/Solvents.

Assuming you have a clean environment, you are clean and follow basic hygiene procedures you could replace the stopper, if required, reasonably at home. A mini-cube would not add any tangible margin of safety.

Qualification - 23 years as a healthcare engineer, chartered by IHEEM and working in aseptic suites for production of various medications.

Ghoul just likes to flex his theoretical knowledge with no real practical experience to determine what is actually practicable and reasonable.

A laminar flow hood is used in aseptic manufacturing on small scales . No one is gonna put an isolator in their home so thats the best option to create an aseptic environment. Its not that expensive either just an enclosure with a FFU on it. Mine was only 800 bucks.

 

[Tk1000]

Ah, last time I tried to buy them it said ‘backorder’ and they never got back to me about restocking. I assumed since they were expired it seemed unlikely to get more in stock.

I ordered some earlier this week and shipped next day even though they said backordered when added to cart.

 

[JBird99]

I'd think they'd be fine in the freezer.
Reason for filtering is because I'm not sure if the rubber will start cracking when u poke it..10 years later.

I keep seeing mixed responses for that, ideally deep freezer that has manual defrost. What about room temp I’m assuming that drops the viability significantly right? Do you have a preference for filters?

 

[Dafty]

A laminar flow hood is used in aseptic manufacturing on small scales . No one is gonna put an isolator in their home so thats the best option to create an aseptic environment. Its not that expensive either just an enclosure with a FFU on it. Mine was only 800 bucks.

Can't say I'm familiar with that; and I work with pretty small scale aseptic suites (usually in hospitals for manufacture and prep of things like cytotoxic and radio drugs etc).

Although by EU standards we wouldn't consider a laminar hood and aspetic environment.

But my point is for quickly replacing the stopper on a vial it would generally be unnecessary; especially considering the original manufacturer (a UGL) was not using a hood or isolator.

 

[Photon]

I keep seeing mixed responses for that, ideally deep freezer that has manual defrost. What about room temp I’m assuming that drops the viability significantly right? Do you have a preference for filters?

Filters now or in 10 years?
I wouldn't stockpile on those.
Its legal and any sterile .22 hydrophobic PTFE syringe filter will do, can be obtained easily in 10 years when u need em, should u even need them.

I doubt the oil will last 10 years at room temp. Would you cook with oil in a sealed bottle that's 10 years old at room temp?

As for what freezer fridge type etc..Im not familiar enough to comment, sorry lol.

 

[JBird99]

Filters now or in 10 years?
I wouldn't stockpile on those.
Its legal and any sterile .22 hydrophobic PTFE syringe filter will do, can be obtained easily in 10 years when u need em, should u even need them.

I doubt the oil will last 10 years at room temp. Would you cook with oil in a sealed bottle that's 10 years old at room temp?

As for what freezer fridge type etc..Im not familiar enough to comment, sorry lol.

when you put it like that it makes absolute sense! Haha
I appreciate you sharing your knowledge! Yeah that freezer thing I’ll have to figure out trial and error hopefully not too much error

 

[Zebedee]

Respond moron.

It's like saying you cant carefully change a bandaid post op. No one is telling you to fully open the person up again.

Two months on & silence …..

It’s always the same when he’s shown to be wrong about something.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Not to mention a laminar flow hood is unnecessary.

if I was brewing with open vials, I would use a laminar hood out of paranoia. however my brewing is closed system. nothing is exposed to air AFTER the filter.

Assuming you have a clean environment, you are clean and follow basic hygiene procedures you could replace the stopper, if required, reasonably at home. A mini-cube would not add any tangible margin of safety.

Qualification - 23 years as a healthcare engineer, chartered by IHEEM and working in aseptic suites for production of various medications.

very interesting background. dont have too many of them here. so its cool to get your input from someone with actual experience.

 

[MindlessWork]

Two months on & silence …..

It’s always the same when he’s shown to be wrong about something.

When Ghoul is wrong it's just water off his back and he'll just proceed like nothing ever happened.

 

[Zebedee]

Assuming you have a clean environment, you are clean and follow basic hygiene procedures you could replace the stopper, if required, reasonably at home. A mini-cube would not add any tangible margin of safety.

Doing so isn't really any different to drawing from pharma amps. If anything, you’re exposing the contents of an amp to the open atmosphere for less time than you would be whilst swapping stoppers.

On that note & to pre-empt the bubble boys, I’ve used well in excess of 1,000 pharma amps over the last 20 years & not once have I used a filter needle & I’ve had zero issues from doing so.

In short, overblowing potential risks is not “harm reduction”.

 

[Kralteramon]

When Ghoul is wrong it's just water off his back and he'll just proceed like nothing ever happened.

His spinal column appears to be purely decorative.

 

[Dafty]

Doing so isn't really any different to drawing from pharma amps. If anything, you’re exposing the contents of an amp to the open atmosphere for less time than you would be whilst swapping stoppers.

On that note & to pre-empt the bubble boys, I’ve used well in excess of 1,000 pharma amps over the last 20 years & not once have I used a filter needle & I’ve had zero issues from doing so.

In short, overblowing potential risks is not “harm reduction”.

Absolutely right; I hadn't considered the comparison to Amp - but yes, exactly the same risk profile.

Not only is overblowing risks not harm reducing, it's potentially dangerous as it's possible to hyperfocus on an overblown risk and therefore not focus energy on the actual quantifiable risks

 

[Kralteramon]

Absolutely right; I hadn't considered the comparison to Amp - but yes, exactly the same risk profile.

Not only is overblowing risks not harm reducing, it's potentially dangerous as it's possible to hyperfocus on an overblown risk and therefore not focus energy on the actual quantifiable risks

Now we're getting somewhere! This is so true. Majoring in the minors.

 

[Thorshammer]

Absolutely right; I hadn't considered the comparison to Amp - but yes, exactly the same risk profile.

Not only is overblowing risks not harm reducing, it's potentially dangerous as it's possible to hyperfocus on an overblown risk and therefore not focus energy on the actual quantifiable risks

I dont think its overblown at all the bar us set so low on sterility its laughable. I run sterility testing to the letter its says in USP71 and Lal gel clot tests for endotoxins. Your skin and digestive system are natural barriers when you stick a needle in yourself all bets are off. But your all big boys