Mrgiuoco
New Member
Hey guys, do you do the classic ego lift till failure every set or the “science” way?
For people juicing
For people juicing
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Train till failure ?
- Thread starter Mrgiuoco
- Start date
training to failure and ego lifting are not the same thing.
The “science” way shows hypertrophy is related to proximity to failure. Train to failure OF THE MUSCLE not the movement.
The “science” way shows hypertrophy is related to proximity to failure. Train to failure OF THE MUSCLE not the movement.
Very well said.
BigTomJ
Member
to failure IS the science way.
Fattyone
Member
You would be much better off by quit making new threads and just use the search bar and read. So much good info on this site and you seem to need/want a lot of basic questions answered.
WISDOM
So basically it's always better to do more sets with a lower weight to failure instead of doing heavy weight with a bad posture to failure?
malfeasance
Member
As you gain experience, you can pretty much figure out where failure is without being stuck with a bar on your chest in the gym all alone.
RiceNKimchi
Member
Your article on this was interesting. It is unfortunate with the troll but you should consider reposting for better discussion
RiceNKimchi
Member
@Millard I believe it the quality of the article, from personal perspective and beliefs, would be beneficial to have a separate thread from the banned person that broke the discussion. I don't say I agree with everything but it is great for discussion.
Failure does not mean light weight. It means weight heavy enough to fail in “bodybuilding” rep ranges (6-15 generally) but that you can control and focus on the working muscle.
I was thinking science has shown anything within 5 reps of failure spurs hypertrophy. I believe the issue with going all the way to failure and beyond is you are unable to both repair damage AND get new growth because your recovery ability is not unlimited. Massive doses of gear may change this of course.
By staying anywhere from 1 to 5 reps from failure, you should be able to recover faster and thus add more volume. If your doing PPL I would highly suggest trying this. If you're going to failure on most sets and doing PPL in my experience it's only a matter of time before you burn out. You can still train hard af without going all the way to failure. If you can't get another rep while keeping perfect form, stop there. Just my opinion.
JackSkel
Member
What is beneficial to adding more volume?
Not getting another rep while keeping perfect form is the definition of failure for most. But you need to be honest with yourself and know what failure feels like.
Valid point. It does take experience to know where failure is for you. And why add more volume? Because you will get bigger.
BigTomJ
Member
Not according to the current data.
Most people would agree that volume is far more fatiguing than intensity.
If you assume the last 5 reps to failure are the main hypertrophy driving reps:
3 sets of 15 reps taken to failure would equate to 15 quality, hypertrophy driving reps (the last 5 reps from each set)
If you choose to stop 2 reps prior to failure, 3 sets of 15 would only be 9 hypertrophy driving reps (3 from each set) to make up for this disparity you would need to do 5 sets of 15 two reps shy of failure to get the same 15 quality reps.
Which is more fatiguing? The 3 sets taken to failure? Or the 5 sets taken to almost failure?
Volume is far more fatiguing than intensity and will only have a negative impact on recovery time as opposed to keeping volume moderate and intensity high with training to failure.
I appreciate your input. I do have to disagree when you say volume is more fatiguing. In my opinion intensity is far more fatiguing. I've tried many styles of training and HIT type training is far more fatiguing even though you do less volume. However I am over 40 so my recovery is far inferior to a younger guy, so that's definitely a factor. At the end of the day most training works to some degree, especially with gear in the mix. For myself, stopping short of failure (yes, RIR training) is FAR more effective and I feel better physically on a day to day basis.
