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Anabolic Steroids
Sustanon or Deca?
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mr_meanor
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for a newbie I would recomend
wk 1-10 200mg DEca
wk1-12 250mg Sus 250
10mg Nolvadex every day
Clomid for PCT
you would need to do 2 shots a week because of the sus you sould just mix in the pin and shoot 100mg deca and 125mg sus at the same time twice a week
wk 1-10 200mg DEca
wk1-12 250mg Sus 250
10mg Nolvadex every day
Clomid for PCT
you would need to do 2 shots a week because of the sus you sould just mix in the pin and shoot 100mg deca and 125mg sus at the same time twice a week
jaysmithinwesson
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post your stats,goals, and lifting history. we'll be able to help you more.
Bonnie Moleman
New Member
mr_meanor,
IMO someone even a first time newbie should be running 500mg of Sust and at bare minimum atleast 300mg of Decca a week. This is just my two cents.
IMO someone even a first time newbie should be running 500mg of Sust and at bare minimum atleast 300mg of Decca a week. This is just my two cents.
Grizzly
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I read the thread title and I had to chime in. That's a no brainer. Sust AND deca or JUST sust, but in no way should you EVER run Deca by itself.
graybass
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Sus & Deca
I agree with the Grizz, man, the base of all AAS is some form of test (sus), never run deca by it's self!! A moderate amount of both will go a long way!!
Dude keep us posted, we will help you!
Also, at some point you should think about some anti-est. (just to be on the safe side) GB
I agree with the Grizz, man, the base of all AAS is some form of test (sus), never run deca by it's self!! A moderate amount of both will go a long way!!
Dude keep us posted, we will help you!
Also, at some point you should think about some anti-est. (just to be on the safe side) GB
mr_meanor
New Member
Grizzly said:
My first cycle was deca by itself and I showed excellent gains and was very happy with it, now I would never do it alone now however I would not say it wouldn't be ok for a noob cycle cause it was great for me
Thanks guys. What anti-est do you recommend? Is it taken during or after? I am have done nandrolone when I was younger and working out 5 days a week (21yo) good gains and size. After that 2 years later winstrol alone and gained size and bloated a bit.
I am now 34yo ha! And am weak. 5'9" 190, not sculpted by any means
Average decent body. I want love to lose 10lbs and replace it with 10lbs of quality muscle. If possible.
As for workout regimen. I am breaking myself in again after a 2 month layoff. Don't know should I stick to the idea of:
2 body parts 3 X a week with cardio in between. 3 exercises per muscle with 3 sets.
or:
Same as a above but 4 exercises per part with 4 sets???
I am not a genitcally blessed person ie: it doesn't come easily.Kinda leaning towards sustanon. Will sus keep water retention toa minimum?
I am now 34yo ha! And am weak. 5'9" 190, not sculpted by any means
Average decent body. I want love to lose 10lbs and replace it with 10lbs of quality muscle. If possible.
As for workout regimen. I am breaking myself in again after a 2 month layoff. Don't know should I stick to the idea of:
2 body parts 3 X a week with cardio in between. 3 exercises per muscle with 3 sets.
or:
Same as a above but 4 exercises per part with 4 sets???
I am not a genitcally blessed person ie: it doesn't come easily.Kinda leaning towards sustanon. Will sus keep water retention toa minimum?
mr_meanor
New Member
keano said:Thanks guys. What anti-est do you recommend? Is it taken during or after? I am have done nandrolone when I was younger and working out 5 days a week (21yo) good gains and size. After that 2 years later winstrol alone and gained size and bloated a bit.
I am now 34yo ha! And am weak. 5'9" 190, not sculpted by any means
Average decent body. I want love to lose 10lbs and replace it with 10lbs of quality muscle. If possible.
As for workout regimen. I am breaking myself in again after a 2 month layoff. Don't know should I stick to the idea of:
2 body parts 3 X a week with cardio in between. 3 exercises per muscle with 3 sets.
or:
Same as a above but 4 exercises per part with 4 sets???
I am not a genitcally blessed person ie: it doesn't come easily.Kinda leaning towards sustanon. Will sus keep water retention toa minimum?
you need to lose the fat before you start the cycle IMO, go 2-3 months of a low carb high protien diet with lots of cardio, when you lose th desired weight and have established a good dieting routine then start your cycle
anti-e might not be neccessary on a deca only cycle if your using under 300mg a week, I would just keep some nolvadex handy incase you do start to experience any gyno then you can take 20-40mg a day
then proper PCt of coarse
LuvMuhRoids
New Member
This is true. IMO 250 week is just a waste even if split up. 500mg is more ideal. 250mg twice a week atleast E3D because of the fast ester prop. I consider sust to be more of an advanced gear because of the spike in test levels if not done more frequent through out the week. Sust should be done ED or EOD to keep test levels even through out the week.
In my opinion you should stick to a test like Test Enanthate for a novice so you can do once a week injections and enant will keep blood levels even through out the week thus less side affects, better gains. Test E is a single ester and easier to deal with. Deca should be kept just under a test so test is your base for your cycle.
Doing deca by itself is a no no and will cause your system to shut down hard core. We in the BB world call it DecaDick. Always keep nolvadex on hand and clomid waiting for PCT. Good luck with your experiences hope that helped a bit. LMR
In my opinion you should stick to a test like Test Enanthate for a novice so you can do once a week injections and enant will keep blood levels even through out the week thus less side affects, better gains. Test E is a single ester and easier to deal with. Deca should be kept just under a test so test is your base for your cycle.
Doing deca by itself is a no no and will cause your system to shut down hard core. We in the BB world call it DecaDick. Always keep nolvadex on hand and clomid waiting for PCT. Good luck with your experiences hope that helped a bit. LMR
Bonnie Moleman said:
Bonnie Moleman
New Member
LuvMuhRoids, Thanks for seconding me on my reply. Deff Sust isn't even going to be effective running less then 500mg/wk. And Deca alone, well that is just a bad bad idea. I was just wondering where you read that Sust should be shot ED or EOD. I understand it is a short acting test but I think that E3D is absolutly adequite. For example, 250mg on Monday and 250mg on Wed. I am currently running 500mg/wk split up like that. I am open ears if you have better advice and can give me solid info to read on it.
Deacon
New Member
run the deca at 400 mgs per week and the sus at 500 mgs per week -
proper pct would be hcg- clomid or nolva- start reading bro - if you dont know what proper pct means when written here - you dont know enough to be messing with gear.
proper pct would be hcg- clomid or nolva- start reading bro - if you dont know what proper pct means when written here - you dont know enough to be messing with gear.
LuvMuhRoids
New Member
In my sig you should see the link sustanon usage.
Bonnie Moleman said:
Southernjuice
New Member
Sus if not injected EOD is a waste of gear....you won't even be taking advantage of the shorter acting esters. Deca alone...ummmm....no comment. Just run test enant or cyp at 500ms qwk bro....if you wanted you could use deca in with that at 300mgs qwk.I prefer EQ.
Bigbillybear
New Member
Bro,
I would do no less then 500mgs of Test stacked with Deca or EQ at 300 to 400mgs/week... I would run the cycle at a min of 12 weeks and YOU WILL LOVE THE RESULTS... Do any less and I promise you will make gains but it wont live up to what you expected... A good way to run it if you want to divide your shot up would be 250mgs/test mixed with 200mgs of EQ or Deca every 3 days or you could do one shot a week of 500mgs of test and 300mgs of deca since it is common to get the deca in a 300mg/ml dosage.. And that would make you only do one injection a week if you are concerned lol...
BBB
I would do no less then 500mgs of Test stacked with Deca or EQ at 300 to 400mgs/week... I would run the cycle at a min of 12 weeks and YOU WILL LOVE THE RESULTS... Do any less and I promise you will make gains but it wont live up to what you expected... A good way to run it if you want to divide your shot up would be 250mgs/test mixed with 200mgs of EQ or Deca every 3 days or you could do one shot a week of 500mgs of test and 300mgs of deca since it is common to get the deca in a 300mg/ml dosage.. And that would make you only do one injection a week if you are concerned lol...
BBB
mr_meanor
New Member
keano said:
Post Cycle Therapy, do a search on it and you will learn alot
With much due respect, we are talking about two different compounds here
1-Androgenic (sust)
2-Anabolic-(deca)
SouthernJuice is correct.....if Sust is not ran EOD-it is a waste of time and compound. A protocol dealing with this complex ester based compounds needs to compensated with the active/half life of the mutli esters involved....this compound is for the intermediate-advanced user. It is a bit hard on plasma levels if not utilized correctly=otherwords some sides expected.
Test Cyp/Enth would work solid here for a newbie...400-600 mgs weekly
as well a nandrolone(deca) about 400 mgs weekly also. I would run a 12 week cycle then finsh up with a good PCT protocol to solidify the gains.
good luck and train smart
1-Androgenic (sust)
2-Anabolic-(deca)
SouthernJuice is correct.....if Sust is not ran EOD-it is a waste of time and compound. A protocol dealing with this complex ester based compounds needs to compensated with the active/half life of the mutli esters involved....this compound is for the intermediate-advanced user. It is a bit hard on plasma levels if not utilized correctly=otherwords some sides expected.
Test Cyp/Enth would work solid here for a newbie...400-600 mgs weekly
as well a nandrolone(deca) about 400 mgs weekly also. I would run a 12 week cycle then finsh up with a good PCT protocol to solidify the gains.
good luck and train smart
Bonnie Moleman
New Member
Currently im in my 3rd cyce and I am running 500mg/wk of Sus. You guys say that I am not taking advantage of the short acting esters shooting on Monday and Thurs. How do you suggest I split them up?
