Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Norse13]

You're talking about forced Russia has committed.

I'm talking about they're overall capabilities.

They're not even scratching the surface of what they could really do if they had to.

And they're literally up against all of NATO by themselves.

Smart leadership would be at the negotiating table, not standing on the sidelines talking shit like Joe Biden has chosen to do.

This is not benifited the Ukrainian people and the longer it goes on, the worse the negotiating circumstances will be for Ukraine.

The whole thing is madness

What are these combat ready units that you are referring to, that's not scratching the surface?

Russia's defense minister stated late last year that the army had about 170 batallion tactical groups. Somewhere around 110-130 of these BTGs are deployed in Ukraine.

VDV airborne infantry is deployed, and the naval infantry.

Putting it in context, the total economic size of Russia is about 40% of Germany. Economic size is of course an enabler for a modern fighting force.

What are these not-yet-deployed units, or capabilites, that you refer to as not even scratching the surface? Unless you are referring to tactical nukes?

Russia completely failed to obtain air superiority, which is extremely expensive. Without that, their fighter bombers are now being shot down. Strategic bombers are vulnerable in such a large land area without air superiority. Their artillery is being outgunned. Stockpiles of cruise missiles are dwindling, and is a very expensive delivery vehicle compared to artillery.

 

[GuerillaPete]

This fuckers desperately tried to take Kiev an failed

View: https://youtu.be/ZZkRvCQ8gDM

 

[Inspired]

What are these combat ready units that you are referring to, that's not scratching the surface?

Russia's defense minister stated late last year that the army had about 170 batallion tactical groups. Somewhere around 110-130 of these BTGs are deployed in Ukraine.

VDV airborne infantry is deployed, and the naval infantry.

Putting it in context, the total economic size of Russia is about 40% of Germany. Economic size is of course an enabler for a modern fighting force.

What are these not-yet-deployed units, or capabilites, that you refer to as not even scratching the surface? Unless you are referring to tactical nukes?

Russia completely failed to obtain air superiority, which is extremely expensive. Without that, their fighter bombers are now being shot down. Strategic bombers are vulnerable in such a large land area without air superiority. Their artillery is being outgunned. Stockpiles of cruise missiles are dwindling, and is a very expensive delivery vehicle compared to artillery.

Their economy isn't based off bullshit/fake numbers/adult daycare jobs. The US and the West have economies largely based on mindless consumerism and jobs that are......adult daycare. Half the people are on "gibs me dat" welfare and social programs. Russia's doesn't have nearly anything like that. It's inappropriate to make estimates based on economic numbers that really can't be compared.

Units rotate in and out all the time and don't expect any honest reports on who is where. It's warfare. One thing is said but that isn't what happens.

 

[malfeasance]

Russia completely failed to obtain air superiority, which is extremely expensive. Without that, their fighter bombers are now being shot down. Strategic bombers are vulnerable in such a large land area without air superiority. Their artillery is being outgunned. Stockpiles of cruise missiles are dwindling, and is a very expensive delivery vehicle compared to artillery.

That is why they are buying these Iranian suicide drones. They are cheap compared to real cruise missiles (about $20k apiece compared to the Kalibr, which is about $1 million apiece).

Because they are cheap, Russia can buy lots of them and send them in waves so that many get through even if many are shot down, like we saw last weekend. This way you also do not risk jets and helicopters.

Artillery can reach only so far, and Russian artillery can only shoot from where Russian ground forces have a solid footprint.

 

[Hughinn]

What are these combat ready units that you are referring to, that's not scratching the surface?

Once again see the link. Russia can mobilize an immense force if it need it.

It has chosen not to

Russia's defense minister stated late last year that the army had about 170 batallion tactical groups. Somewhere around 110-130 of these BTGs are deployed in Ukraine.

VDV airborne infantry is deployed, and the naval infantry.

Putting it in context, the total economic size of Russia is about 40% of Germany. Economic size is of course an enabler for a modern fighting force.

What are these not-yet-deployed units, or capabilites, that you refer to as not even scratching the surface? Unless you are referring to tactical nukes?

Russia completely failed to obtain air superiority, which is extremely expensive. Without that, their fighter bombers are now being shot down. Strategic bombers are vulnerable in such a large land area without air superiority


. Their artillery is being outgunned. Stockpiles of cruise missiles are dwindling, and is a very expensive delivery vehicle compared to artillery.

Russia hasn't really tried to close the skies in Ukraine

 

[BawlsDeep]

The US and the West have economies largely based on mindless consumerism and jobs that are......adult daycare.

Replying you from my adult day care job.. U S A.. U S A! I gotta go give a tps report to the fat bitch in HR now

 

[Inspired]

Replying you from my adult day care job.. U S A.. U S A! I gotta go give a tps report to the fat bitch in HR now

Pray she's carbed out after whatever buffet she inhaled earlier, and throw in some extra woke virtue signaling.

 

[Norse13]

That is why they are buying these Iranian suicide drones. They are cheap compared to real cruise missiles (about $20k apiece compared to the Kalibr, which is about $1 million apiece).

Because they are cheap, Russia can buy lots of them and send them in waves so that many get through even if many are shot down, like we saw last weekend. This way you also do not risk jets and helicopters.

Artillery can reach only so far, and Russian artillery can only shoot from where Russian ground forces have a solid footprint.

Certainly the cheap suicide drones can have significant impact but we also need to look at the volume in context. The Iranian Shahed 136 drone has a warhead of about 40kg. That's about the same as a 155mm artillery shell.

Figures vary between sources on the quantity of Shahed 136 purchased by Russia, from "hundreds" to "a few thousand".

In comparison, USA have donated about a million 155mm shells (thank you, much appreciated), and Ukrainian artillery rate of fire was estimated at 3000-6000 shells per day.

Regular shells have 20-30km range, long range shells around 40-70km (Excalibur, Vulcano). Short compared to drones, so no ability to hit strategic targets far behind the front lines. But in terms of volume on target, it drowns out any swarm of drones.

 

[MR_Midas]

Once again see the link. Russia can mobilize an immense force if it need it.

It has chosen not to

But doesn’t it seem to you that Russia is running out of resources both in weapons and in the military, since they began to attract additional resources?

 

[hometeam]

That is why they are buying these Iranian suicide drones.

Well this is what's left of Russia's precision missile arsenal, as compared to what they started with:


Notice they're down to about 100 ground launched cruise missiles. The rest have to be launched by sea (and their ships are hiding some distance away) or air (and they don't have air superiority.)

So they really needed these drones. And it must be a bit embarrassing for the world's #2 military to have to be relying on cheap Iranian drones that sound like mopeds in the air.

 

[hometeam]

But doesn’t it seem to you that Russia is running out of resources both in weapons and in the military, since they began to attract additional resources?

So here's a list of Russian military equipment lost in Ukraine, 7456, of which: destroyed: 4569, damaged: 166, abandoned: 307, captured: 2418:

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

As far as main battle tanks go they've lost 1398. 805 destroyed, 54 damaged, 55 captured. Russia has always claimed to have anywhere from 6,000 to 10,000+ main battle tanks. This is a huge deal because they're on the land continent of Europe and all the countries of NATO combined only have a couple thousand tanks in Europe.

Well, it turned out only about 2,300 of Russia's tanks were working. They lost about half of those in the first months in Ukraine and it turned out they could only get about 1,000 more from storage working. The rest is pretty much a scrap yard of rotting rusting Soviet vehicles that won't work. Their air force too is in disrepair, and their navy is mostly 30+ year old ships. They just don't have the kind of GDP needed to retire their old Soviet equipment and upgrade to something new.

 

[hometeam]

He started the Russian Georgia war and then after getting run out of Georgia for corruption he was installed the mayor of Odessa in Ukraine after the 2014 US coup in Ukraine.
You want to keep talking about puppet government?

You're disregarding 2004 Russian coup attempt in Ukraine, leading to the Orange Revolution that followed. And the installation their pro-Russia leader in Ukraine 2010, who is currently living in exile in Russia. For 8 years Russia has been funding, equipping and training anti-Ukraine militias in the Donbas... sending in non-uniformed soldiers. Shot down Malaysia airlines flight 17. Putin and Russia is certainly not the victim here.

Ukraine's crimes: angering the great Mr Putin, not running their country to his standards, getting too friendly with the West.

 

[hometeam]

My predictions were correct: Putin is now going gloves off and Ukraine has no chance. This only ends if they accept they are not getting their regions back and stop fucking around.

In many ways the Russians have already lost. They lost in Kiev, lost about half their standing army in the process. They've lost thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, run out of ground launched cruise missiles. Dozens of Generals killed, more fired. The mobilization, hurt international standing. The Georgians and Kazakhstanians sure don't fear them anymore. More than 30 Russian municipal deputies have signed a petition calling for Russian President Vladimir Putin's resignation. No one is ordering Russian arms, while US arms are backordered.

Whatever Russia "wins" out of this won't have been worth the cost.

 

[Inspired]

Man, you guys are still eating the propaganda for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I guess time will tell.

 

[BawlsDeep]

Man, you guys are still eating the propaganda for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I guess time will tell.

So can you give a source of information about the war that isnt 'propaganda'? What information do you have that is unbiased and where do you get said info?

 

[Hughinn]

But doesn’t it seem to you that Russia is running out of resources both in weapons and in the military, since they began to attract additional resources?

More than likely everyone is running out of resources.

It's being announced here in the US little more can be sent to Ukraine because it would put our own arsenal in a compromised position.

Common sense in my opinion would be that everyone is felling a crunch.

 

[hometeam]

More than likely everyone is running out of resources.

It's being announced here in the US little more can be sent to Ukraine because it would put our own arsenal in a compromised position.

Common sense in my opinion would be that everyone is felling a crunch.

Depends on what you consider a "crunch." The Pentagon is only comfortable sending 1/3 of our javelin, stinger and HIMAARS missiles to Ukraine. They can send more and they've expanded production lines, but "what about China and Taiwan." Well, we've also got F-35 jets, B-2 bombers and submarines armed with cruise missiles for that. Russia is certainly below 2/3rds of their stockpiles, much below that in many cases, and with sanctions in place they can't get critical components needed to replenish. The aid to Ukraine actually only costs about 5% of our annual defense budget so far. It's not really an issue.

If we wanted to end this all today, just send Ukraine the ATACMS missile and have them take out a few of Russia's oil refineries. But we just wouldn't know what the consequences would be of Russia immediately collapsing as a state.

 

[Hughinn]

You're disregarding 2004 Russian coup attempt in Ukraine, leading to the Orange Revolution that followed. And the installation their pro-Russia leader in Ukraine 2010, who is currently living in exile in Russia. For 8 years Russia has been funding, equipping and training anti-Ukraine militias in the Donbas... sending in non-uniformed soldiers. Shot down Malaysia airlines flight 17. Putin and Russia is certainly not the victim here.

Ukraine's crimes: angering the great Mr Putin, not running their country to his standards, getting too friendly with the West.

Man you are one ignorant mother f-er.

It never fails. You know absolutely Jack shit about what your talking about. You keep making yourself look stupid and your so ignorant of the reality you don't even know it.


The orange revolution, dumbass was a product of the US state department and involved allegations (that were never proven) of voter fraud to force a runoff and install the pro NATO choice Viktor Yushchenko. Over the incumbent Viktor Yanukovych.

Yushchenko was the US state department man who benifited from the orange revolution in 2004, His administration was so corrupt and plagued with scandals that in 2010 the Ukrainian people re elected Yanukovych.

Nobody had any questions about the election this time. Yanukovych clearly won and the US state department man was out.

Just four years later the US state department orchestrated yet another coup against Yanukovych.

And once again the US state department appointed another pro western regime. Who ignited a civil war against the ethnic Russian people in the east because they kept electing the wrong people.

If you want to sling bullshit, at least get your facts straight.

 

[Hughinn]

Depends on what you consider a "crunch." The Pentagon is only comfortable sending 1/3 of our javelin, stinger and HIMAARS missiles to Ukraine. They can send more and they've expanded production lines, but "what about China and Taiwan." Well, we've also got F-35 jets, B-2 bombers and submarines armed with cruise missiles for that. Russia is certainly below 2/3rds of their stockpiles, much below that in many cases, and with sanctions in place they can't get critical components needed to replenish. The aid to Ukraine actually only costs about 5% of our annual defense budget so far. It's not really an issue.

"Below 2/3 of thier stockpiles"

Man you just don't stop with the bullshit.

There's no way you have a reliable source for a claim like that.

For fucks sake they haven't even used a quarter of thier military capabilities.

Read this goddamn thread.

You're an idiot

 

[hometeam]

Man you are one ignorant mother f-er.

It never fails. You know absolutely Jack shit about what your talking about. You keep making yourself look stupid and your so ignorant of the reality you don't even know it.


The orange revolution, dumbass was a product of the US state department and involved allegations (that were never proven) of voter fraud to force a runoff and install the pro NATO choice Viktor Yushchenko. Over the incumbent Viktor Yanukovych.

Yushchenko was the US state department man who benifited from the orange revolution in 2004, His administration was so corrupt and plagued with scandals that in 2010 the Ukrainian people re elected Yanukovych.

Nobody had any questions about the election this time. Yanukovych clearly won and the US state department man was out.

Just four years later the US state department orchestrated yet another coup against Yanukovych.

And once again the US state department appointed another pro western regime. Who ignited a civil war against the ethnic Russian people in the east because they kept electing the wrong people.

If you want to sling bullshit, at least get your facts straight.

So Russia never meddled in Ukrainian politics. Only the US did lol