Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Hughinn]

And we've suffered the consequences of that imperialism, in blood and treasure. Now it's Russia's turn. To justify an invasion over a 2014 impeachment and meddling when Zelensky was elected 5 years afterwards is no better than to justify the invasion of Iraq over WMDs. Russia is doing in Eastern Europe everything you hate the US for doing. To condemn US foreign policy while condoning Russia's invasion would be hypocritical at best.

Except Iraqi wmd was a lie perpetuated by the Washington DC Cartel on the Potomac.

And that war was based on a lie, just like Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria and so many others.

The NATO/US militarization of Ukraine was real and happening.

And zelensky and his administration is 100% a US puppet regime.

We spent enough blood and treasure for lies that benifit globalist ambitions of billionaire donors.

We don't have a single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine today. It's a lie to say otherwise

Russia has legitimate national security concerns in Ukraine today. It's a lie to say they don't.

That's the difference.

Oh yeah the US is fine. This is a drop in the bucket for us. As I said before what's more pressing to the US than any of this is the rise of China. They now have a GDP of $14.7 trillion. Their stealth jets and new tanks are not vaporware they are actually producing them. They have a larger Navy than the US, artificial islands. And they want Taiwan. And Pelosi thinks its a good idea to visit Taiwan and poke the bear. In the grand scheme that's more of a serious issue than Russia/Ukraine, especially after Russia's botched attack of Kiev took out so much of their legacy military hardware. Of course China and the the US economies are interconnected in a way Russia's is not, due to them thinking everyone is out to get them. And staying strong on Ukraine aid is a determent to China on Taiwan.

So your going to play a cheerleader for the regime to break the Russian federation so they can whittle off the seperate nations one by one then off to China and any other nation that refuses US imperial rule, to run the same playbook?

You're one wretched cowardly POS.

 

[Hughinn]

Some numbers for you:
US GDP: $20.94 trillion, EU GDP: $16.6 trillion, Russia's GDP: $1.483 trillion
US defense budget: $800 billion, NATO defense budget: $1.04 trillion, Russia's defense budget $78 billion
Ukraine has mobilized about 700,000 to 750,000 soldiers, Russia about 500,000

The US and NATO also has over 100 commercial and military satellites watching the battlefield, Russia about a dozen and without the same capabilities. Ukraine has Starlink communication, is listening in to Russian cell phone calls.

The US spent $40 billion a year in Afghanistan for 2 decades and still managed to fight a war in Iraq and deter the Chinese the same time. Aid to Ukraine is only costing about 5% of our annual defense budget. The US produces 11.2 million barrels of oil per day, Russia 10.1 million.

So, I mean we could keep this up for a very long time. This is nothing for us, very affordable. Europe doesn't drill their own oil because "it's bad for the environment" so they'll be hurting but the US doesn't need their permission to aid the Ukrainians. European economic output that looks anything like Russias would feel like a disaster to them, in other words Russia is already living in a disaster of an economy.

One of the issues is just how bad do we have to weaken the Russians? They weren't a peer to begin with. China is. The main issue here with Russia is their dictator leader who considers the West the enemy. But after their botched attack on Kiev they've lost so much military capability, and they're not wealthy enough to replace it. Most of their equipment is from the Soviet Union. Putin can't pull out because he would be a failure. Do we keep aiding Ukraine until Russia collapses as a federated country? And what would the world look like if it did?

We get it.

You're ate up and consumed by the propoganda.

You'll cheer on the one world globalist empire to the very end. Irregardless of truth and motives.

A disgusting and disingenuous wretch. A pitiful grotesque of inconceivable stupidity and severe lack of testicular fortitude and respect.

Even if they win, they'll eventually fall. Just like Rome fell to the barbarians, so will your heroes.

Because your building your empire on lies and greed.

 

[hometeam]

We don't have a single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine today. It's a lie to say otherwise

The US hasn't attacked Ukraine, Russia did. Our security concern is Putin.

Russia has legitimate national security concerns in Ukraine today. It's a lie to say they don't.

Whatever security concern Russia has in Ukraine, it's not Ukraine attacking Russians on Russian soil. And they made their security situation a whole lot worse by attacking Ukraine on Ukrainian soil. Funding, equipping and training anti-Ukraine militias in the Donbas, sending in nonuniformed soldiers and shooting down Malaysian Airlines flight 17 made things worse as well.

The NATO/US militarization of Ukraine was real and happening.

Then why doesn't Ukraine have nuclear weapons anymore? Why don't they have a single weapon that can hit Moscow or Russian oil refineries? If anything NATO had demilitarized Ukraine, until they were invaded. Since then all we've done is give them defensive weapons.

And zelensky and his administration is 100% a US puppet regime.

There's no proof of that. Just you and your fantasies. And if this is really your issue, why even bring up 2014? Zelensky had nothing to do with that, in fact he opposed the guy who did. And if you're going to bring up 2014 why dismiss Russia's coup attempt in 2004 as if Russia hasn't meddled and interfered in Ukrainian politics?

That's the difference.

Invading Ukraine was no different than invading Iraq. You just happen to like one invader more than the other.

You defend Putin for doing everything you hate the US for. Don't say he doesn't interfere with elections, try to install leaders favorable to him (by force or other means), that he doesn't run a "cartel-like govt on the Moskva" and that he doesn't "promote human suffering so he can pick the pockets of the people involved and make money selling weapons."

 

[hometeam]

So your going to play a cheerleader for the regime to break the Russian federation so they can whittle off the seperate nations one by one then off to China and any other nation that refuses US imperial rule, to run the same playbook?

If Russia had a free democratic country without a dictator antagonistic to the West we would have no beef with them. We have no beef with France or India. I remain hopeful that this will be the catalyst for a free society there and new relations with the West.

Our only beef militarily with China is Taiwan. If not for the Taiwan issue then any potential hostilities with China would just be over trade agreements, tariffs, currency manipulation, corporate espionage etc and that wouldn't involve militaries. If China had a 5 year plan for invading Taiwan they probably looked at the Ukraine invasion and turned it into a 15 year plan lol!

But they have 10x the GDP Russia has they're the true peer with the US and EU here they just don't have the same nuclear arsenal or cold war era stockpiles.

 

[hometeam]

You dumbfuxk idiot!!!

I just told you the orange revolution brought in the pro western leader yushchenko, not the pro Russian Yanukovych and was orchestrated by the US state department. The same people that would run the coup in 2014.

In 2010 Yanukovych was elected again, fairly, and the US state department would run yet another coup on him.

You're one ignorant mother f-er.

Learn to read and read a book once in awhile

Ukraine President Viktor Yushchenko after being poisoned in an assassination attempt in 2004:
The people he believes poisoned him were sheltered by Russia.

And zelensky and his administration is 100% a US puppet regime.

Russia had one person they wanted in power in Ukraine indefinitely: Yanukovych. He lives in Russia now. Everyone else: Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Zelensky... "puppets and stooges for the West." That's simply not true. They just weren't Russia's boy. They all wanted a Ukraine independent of Russia, a Ukraine that wasn't a vassal state to Putin. Putin couldn't allow that so he thought he'd go in and swat Ukraine's military like a fly, install his own regime. That turned out to be a serious mistake and miscalculation on his part.

 

[MR_Midas]

Putin has already said he'd like to negotiate and settle this:

I hope this will be very soon. It's bad when people die.

 

[MR_Midas]

And of course he would. This was a big mistake for him.

I hope all parties will make the right decisions and will not allow the war to continue.

 

[Inspired]

I hope all parties will make the right decisions and will not allow the war to continue.

They need war with Russia because this war is being used as a distraction from their crimes.........so I do not expect it to end any time soon.

Whenever they hit us with something (like a Pandemic) they always have something worse planned, which they will use to make you forget what they've done to you.

 

[Hughinn]

The US hasn't attacked Ukraine, Russia did. Our security concern is Putin.

You know what, you can have whatever opinion you want. But your noxious bullshit and lies are just too much.

"Our security concern is Putin"

That's a lie.
Joe Biden has done more to strip Americans of liberty and choice in just two years than Putin ever could. Even if he wanted to.

Putin is of no realistic concern to Americans whatsoever

Why don't they have a single weapon that can hit Moscow or Russian oil refineries? If anything NATO had demilitarized Ukraine, until they were invaded. Since then all we've done is give them defensive weapons.

That's another one of your lies.
NATO/US had been building a military in Ukraine since 2014 and intentionally arming and training them. It's literally the biggest army in NATO except for the US. And it was created to threaten Russia and destroy the seperatist movements in Donbass.

There's no proof of that. Just you and your fantasies. And if this is really your issue, why even bring up 2014? Zelensky had nothing to do with that, in fact he opposed the guy who did. And if you're going to bring up 2014 why dismiss Russia's coup attempt in 2004 as if Russia hasn't meddled and interfered in Ukrainian politics?

Yet another lie.

I keep telling you, the fact is the orange revolution in Ukraine was a pro US government, State department coup against an incumbent.

The revolution was not pro Russian. You're flat out lying like usual

Invading Ukraine was no different than invading Iraq. You just happen to like one invader more than the other.

The invasion of Iraq was perpetuated by lies and deciet.

From the same people that are telling lies now trying to convince you that we need to support the war in Ukraine

You defend Putin for doing everything you hate the US for. Don't say he doesn't interfere with elections, try to install leaders favorable to him (by force or other means), that he doesn't run a "cartel-like govt on the Moskva" and that he doesn't "promote human suffering so he can pick the pockets of the people involved and make money selling weapons."

Whatever.
Putin is not the leader of my government.

I don't care about Putin, because he's no danger to my liberty as an American.

The cartel on the Potomac is.

If Russia had a free democratic country without a dictator antagonistic to the West we would have no beef with them. We have no beef with France or India. I remain hopeful that this will be the catalyst for a free society there and new relations with the West.

In other words, we don't have any problem with countries that do what we tell them and let us do what we want.

You're a fuckin genius aren't you?

Our only beef militarily with China is Taiwan. If not for the Taiwan issue then any potential hostilities with China would just be over trade agreements, tariffs, currency manipulation, corporate espionage etc and that wouldn't involve militaries. If China had a 5 year plan for invading Taiwan they probably looked at the Ukraine invasion and turned it into a 15 year plan lol!

In other words, China is next.

Rah rah go team!

The one world globalist empire is within reach.

But they have 10x the GDP Russia has they're the true peer with the US and EU here they just don't have the same nuclear arsenal or cold war era stockpiles.

Yes, they're not going down without a fight either.

Ukraine President Viktor Yushchenko after being poisoned in an assassination attempt in 2004:View attachment 174671
The people he believes poisoned him were sheltered by Russia.


Russia had one person they wanted in power in Ukraine indefinitely: Yanukovych. He lives in Russia now. Everyone else: Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Zelensky... "puppets and stooges for the West." That's simply not true. They just weren't Russia's boy. They all wanted a Ukraine independent of Russia, a Ukraine that wasn't a vassal state to Putin. Putin couldn't allow that so he thought he'd go in and swat Ukraine's military like a fly, install his own regime. That turned out to be a serious mistake and miscalculation on his part.

In other words, the cartel on the Potomac will do whatever it has to do to maintain world dominance.

Yes, zelensky is a puppet of the US.

Because there will be no free and independent Ukranian country after this.

 

[Hughinn]

“To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”​

— Henry Kissinger on US foreign policy.

This type of conduct is what creates these endless wars and conflicts.

I'd caution any sensible American to really look at our leadership and ponder the lies they've told and the reasons they'd given in these wars.

I mean, these people telling you that "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and must be killed for the good of all mankind"

Are the same people that told us the Taliban were so oppressive, evil and facist that we had to stay in Afghanistan until they were defeated.

20 years, trillions of dollars and thousands of people killed just to replace the Taliban with.....the Taliban. And suddenly we're okay with that.

This "jihad for democracy" bullshit has to be called out for what it is : empirical ambitious by western corporations and globalist politicians.

This @hometeam idiot on here saying "if they were "a democracy" we "wouldn't hate them" as if democracy is the only way for all of the world's diverse people to govern themselves.

I scoff at this notion as I point out that we've already perverted our own democracy beyond recognition of it's original purpose and I ask you.....

Does anyone in this democracy feel well represented in our own government and believe it serves you in your best interest?

Let the people of the world find thier own way and deal with thier own problems.

We've got more problems in our own government than we could solve in a lifetime. We've got no business trying to make the rest of the world bow down to us.
And why in the world would we ever want that in the first place?

 

[hometeam]

You know what, you can have whatever opinion you want. But your noxious bullshit and lies are just too much.

"Our security concern is Putin"

That's a lie.
Joe Biden has done more to strip Americans of liberty and choice in just two years than Putin ever could. Even if he wanted to.

Putin is of no realistic concern to Americans whatsoever

Well many Republicans would disagree with you:
“Putin wants to restore the Russian empire, that’s his ambition, he’s stated it many times. Therefore no one should be surprised,” - John McCain
“The world is better served if somebody stands up to dictatorships like we have in Russia and China.” -Mitch McConnell
"The only way this ends is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out. You would be doing your country - and the world - a great service," -Lindsey Graham
“I have clear eyes on this. I’m not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin,” “A geopolitical foe they obviously were and continue to be, because Russia continues to fight us in every venue they have. They support the world’s worst actors,” -Mitt Romney
“In [Putin’s] view the demise of the Soviet Union is bad for the Russian people, so we’re watching him try to reinstate Soviet hegemony,” said Bush. “He picks weak people to do that. He thought Ukraine was weak, but it’s not. Ukraine is showing a backbone and a spine that this world sorely needs to see.” - George W Bush

But they're part of the "establishment" the "cartel of the Potomac." ... However you may feel about them, it doesn't mean Putin isn't considered a legitimate security threat in Washington.

This @hometeam idiot on here saying "if they were "a democracy" we "wouldn't hate them" as if democracy is the only way for all of the world's diverse people to govern themselves.

Actually we get along with dictators too... dictators in Pakistan and Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the Phillippines. It's just that Putin has been so antagonistic towards the West and a leader like Putin could not last in a free society.

That's another one of your lies.
NATO/US had been building a military in Ukraine since 2014 and intentionally arming and training them. It's literally the biggest army in NATO except for the US. And it was created to threaten Russia and destroy the seperatist movements in Donbass.

The US didn't recruit, equip, and train militias in the Donbas, Russia did. Then they started sending in nonuniformed soldiers acting like militias. Then they shot down Malaysia airlines flight 17 with 300 people on board. That's when the world community said "ok now Russia knock it off" and slapped them with sanctions.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM_2y6MTPAg


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gPJUDOnMfg

In other words, China is next.

Rah rah go team!

The one world globalist empire is within reach.

In other words, the cartel on the Potomac will do whatever it has to do to maintain world dominance.

In other words, Russia has been so weakened that this might just be a distraction from the real threat from the real peer: China/Taiwan. So the question many are asking is just how far should we take this? Russia is in a real pickle now and it's their own fault. Do we need to see Russia collapse like the Soviet Union?

I hope all parties will make the right decisions and will not allow the war to continue.

Ukraine has raised an army 750,000 strong and has probably received $100 billion worth of aid from various countries. So they've got no reason to stop. They're also very angry.

It would take Europe 4-5 years to build the infrastructure needed to start drilling their own oil. So they're going to be hurting and have reason to press for peace. The US could keep this aid up for decades if it wanted to, but China is the more pressing issue.

Russia is expected to see the bulk of their conscripts join the battlefield mid-November to mid-December. At that point they'll have to evaluate how combat effective they are and then decide whether they want to just hold the 3-4 provinces they have or make another attempt on Kiev - this time by shelling the city to the ground like in Mariupol and Luhansk. They would need 3x-4x the forces attacking Kiev than Kiev has defending it to take it so that's unlikely to happen but they would be hoping the threat would force Zelensky to negotiations.

And the US advisors are telling Ukraine that their window to take Kherson is now, before the bulk of the new conscripts arrive. And Ukraine has 3x-4x the forces there that Russia does and Russia is evacuating, but Ukraine could use a lot more tanks for an offensive push like that - Western tanks that break down, need repair, need trained people aren't coming... So this is unlikely to end anytime soon.

 

[Hughinn]

Well many Republicans would disagree with you:
“Putin wants to restore the Russian empire, that’s his ambition, he’s stated it many times. Therefore no one should be surprised,” - John McCain
“The world is better served if somebody stands up to dictatorships like we have in Russia and China.” -Mitch McConnell
"The only way this ends is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out. You would be doing your country - and the world - a great service," -Lindsey Graham
“I have clear eyes on this. I’m not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin,” “A geopolitical foe they obviously were and continue to be, because Russia continues to fight us in every venue they have. They support the world’s worst actors,” -Mitt Romney
“In [Putin’s] view the demise of the Soviet Union is bad for the Russian people, so we’re watching him try to reinstate Soviet hegemony,” said Bush. “He picks weak people to do that. He thought Ukraine was weak, but it’s not. Ukraine is showing a backbone and a spine that this world sorely needs to see.” - George W Bush

But they're part of the "establishment" the "cartel of the Potomac." ... However you may feel about them, it doesn't mean Putin isn't considered a legitimate security threat in Washington.

Like I said, the same people who lied us into the Iraq war, are the same people lying us into this one.

"However you may feel about them, it doesn't mean Putin isn't considered a legitimate security threat in Washington"

That's exactly my point dip shit.

Putin is of no concern to the safety and aspirations of the American people.

He's simply a nuisance to the cartel in Washington DC that wants to rule the world.

So they're running the same old playbook, telling the same old lies they always have.

Actually we get along with dictators too... dictators in Pakistan and Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the Phillippines. It's just that Putin has been so antagonistic towards the West and a leader like Putin could not last in a free society.

In other words, we have no problem with dictators, facism, corruption and violent suppression of human rights, as long as the people doing it don't interfere with the interests and aspirations of the Cartel in Washington DC.

Gee whizz, wouldn't that make you wonder why he had to invade IRAQ several times to "stop a facist dictator" and "liberate oppressed people"?

Obviously that was bullshit. And so is the current bag of lies

The US didn't recruit, equip, and train militias in the Donbas, Russia did. Then they started sending in nonuniformed soldiers acting like militias. Then they shot down Malaysia airlines flight 17 with 300 people on board. That's when the world community said "ok now Russia knock it off" and slapped them with sanctions.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM_2y6MTPAg


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gPJUDOnMfg

Never said the US equipped seperatist movements in the Donbass.

I said the US equipped neo Nazi militia in Ukraine


And they did

In other words, Russia has been so weakened that this might just be a distraction from the real threat from the real peer: China/Taiwan. So the question many are asking is just how far should we take this? Russia is in a real pickle now and it's their own fault. Do we need to see Russia collapse like the Soviet Union?


Ukraine has raised an army 750,000 strong and has probably received $100 billion worth of aid from various countries. So they've got no reason to stop. They're also very angry.

It would take Europe 4-5 years to build the infrastructure needed to start drilling their own oil. So they're going to be hurting and have reason to press for peace. The US could keep this aid up for decades if it wanted to, but China is the more pressing issue.

Russia is expected to see the bulk of their conscripts join the battlefield mid-November to mid-December. At that point they'll have to evaluate how combat effective they are and then decide whether they want to just hold the 3-4 provinces they have or make another attempt on Kiev - this time by shelling the city to the ground like in Mariupol and Luhansk. They would need 3x-4x the forces attacking Kiev than Kiev has defending it to take it so that's unlikely to happen but they would be hoping the threat would force Zelensky to negotiations.

And the US advisors are telling Ukraine that their window to take Kherson is now, before the bulk of the new conscripts arrive. And Ukraine has 3x-4x the forces there that Russia does and Russia is evacuating, but Ukraine could use a lot more tanks for an offensive push like that - Western tanks that break down, need repair, need trained people aren't coming... So this is unlikely to end anytime soon.

Pathetic to see someone cheering on the promotion of human suffering, warfare and strife to benifit the aspirations of corrupt greedy bastards that would just as readily trade your life for thier ambition.

But, you're stupid. If you've proved anything here you've definitely proven that beyond any reasonable doubt.

Congratulations

 

[hometeam]

In other words, we have no problem with dictators, facism, corruption and violent suppression of human rights, as long as the people doing it don't interfere with the interests and aspirations of the Cartel in Washington DC.

Well apparently you feel Russia's system of government and politics works great for them and the international community and so we should just adopt their system and make Trump our dictator. He'll solve all our problems just like Putin solved Russia's. How's that working out for Russia?

Wake up! The world is what it is. Countries pursue what's in their best interests, or at least they try to. And the world would be a better place without Putin. You're just too full of self hatred, self loathing to see it. And too bitter about the last election. You're going to complain about how things are run as long as Biden is in power.

And while you oppose foreign aid to Ukraine I suppose you were a big fan of Trump's aid to Israel, Trump's seizing Syrian oil fields, assassinating Gen Soleimani, how he wanted to lob missiles into Mexico, drone strikes in Yemen and Somalia etc. You've said before you're a big fan of punching someone who insults you. It's not a outrage and crisis of morality to you if your guy is doing it.

 

[Hughinn]

Well apparently you feel Russia's system of government and politics works great for them and the international community and so we should just adopt their system and make Trump our dictator. He'll solve all our problems just like Putin solved Russia's. How's that working out for Russia?

However it's working out for Russia or anybody else is thier business, not ours.

Our own form of government doesn't even work for us at this point. Why spread it all over the world at the point of gun as opposed to letting the various people of the world govern themselves as they fit instead of forcing them into our own system?

Wake up! The world is what it is. Countries pursue what's in their best interests, or at least they try to.

So let them.
Stop trying to rule the whole goddamn world

And the world would be a better place without Putin.

It would be a better place without Joe Biden too.
But it is what it is. Sometimes adults have to deal with people they don't like and often have thier own interests.

Running around the whole world killing every leader we don't like doesn't seem to be working our well for US or anybody else.

Time to cut the bullshit.

Russian people should decide who governs them. Not the Cartel in Washington DC. Same goes for everyone else.

The Taliban is in charge of Afghanistan because that's what the Afghan people decided.

We lied, cheated, stole and murdered millions for no other reason than to profit rich globalists and still Left Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban.

Except now instead of camels and old rifles, they got US made humvees, M16s and helicopters thanks to Joe Biden

You're just too full of self hatred, self loathing to see it. And too bitter about the last election. You're going to complain about how things are run as long as Biden is in power.

Biden has been a destructive and divisive force here and abroad.

I have no self hatred. I love my country, but detest our leadership

And while you oppose foreign aid to Ukraine I suppose you were a big fan of Trump's aid to Israel, Trump's seizing Syrian oil fields, assassinating Gen Soleimani, how he wanted to lob missiles into Mexico, drone strikes in Yemen and Somalia etc. You've said before you're a big fan of punching someone who insults you. It's not a outrage and crisis of morality to you if your guy is doing it.

If you haven't figured it out yet, I've shown plainly that interventionism has caused more problems than it has ever solved. Regardless of the lies used to support it, or the people doing it.

The whole goddamn world is sick of it and Americans are too.

Vijay Prashad: Haiti's four years of nonstop protests against US interference

Haitians have once again taken to the streets in recent weeks, targeting the banks and NGOs that have taken over the island since the 2010 earthquake.

therealnews.com

 

[hometeam]

Our own form of government doesn't even work for us at this point. Why spread it all over the world at the point of gun as opposed to letting the various people of the world govern themselves as they fit instead of forcing them into our own system?

It's not working for you. That does not mean it's not working for us. More than 1 million people immigrate to the US legally each year and a whole lot more illegally. They don't leave their roots and risk everything they have for a worse life.

Russian people should decide who governs them. Not the Cartel in Washington DC. Same goes for everyone else.

Unfortunately they don't have that ability. No free speech, no free press, every Putin rival gets dispatched of in some way, every dissident jailed. Right now you go to jail for 10 years if you speak badly of the war there, if you protest you get conscripted immediately to the front lines.

We lied, cheated, stole and murdered millions for no other reason than to profit rich globalists and still Left Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban.

We demanded they stop harboring Al Qaeda and hand over Osama bin Laden after 9/11 and they wouldn't do that. There was nothing for us to steal in Afghanistan.

Biden has been a destructive and divisive force here and abroad.

From an anti-interventionalist standpoint Biden should probably be your hero. Probably no President since Jimmy Carter has been less of an interventionalist, and Carter had the Iran Revolution and kidnapped Americans to deal with so it's close. Biden actually got us out of Afghanistan which no President for the last 20 years would.

Raegan gave aid to Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghanistan War and is considered a hero for it - same thing Biden is doing now. And Raegan had all kinds of proxy wars. Bush Sr had his Gulf War and lost his job because he wouldn't drive his tanks into Iraq and finish the job. But Bush Jr finished the job for him. Clinton was generally a pacifist but still had Bosnia and Haiti. Obama went back on campaign promises and became more hawkish, but he was handed a lot of conflicts to deal with. And Trump had his interventions in the Gulf too, also sent quite a bit of aid to Ukraine.

And you're complaining about Biden? And Putin was totally justified because he didn't like the politics and policies going on in another country? You're just being a hypocrite. "If your guy does it he's destroying the country and the world but if my guy does it it's justified and fine."

This specific intervention in Ukraine happens to be one of our most successful ones - you should be happy. We paid the prices for our foreign policy mistakes and now it's Russia's turn. They never should have invaded. A country with a dictator antagonistic towards the West won't be a military rival for as long as he lives or is in power. But as a partisan hack you just can't support anything Biden does at this point.

 

[Hughinn]

It's not working for you. That does not mean it's not working for us. More than 1 million people immigrate to the US legally each year and a whole lot more illegally. They don't leave their roots and risk everything they have for a worse life.

Unfortunately they don't have that ability. No free speech, no free press, every Putin rival gets dispatched of in some way, every dissident jailed. Right now you go to jail for 10 years if you speak badly of the war there, if you protest you get conscripted immediately to the front lines.

We demanded they stop harboring Al Qaeda and hand over Osama bin Laden after 9/11 and they wouldn't do that. There was nothing for us to steal in Afghanistan.

From an anti-interventionalist standpoint Biden should probably be your hero. Probably no President since Jimmy Carter has been less of an interventionalist, and Carter had the Iran Revolution and kidnapped Americans to deal with so it's close. Biden actually got us out of Afghanistan which no President for the last 20 years would.

Raegan gave aid to Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghanistan War and is considered a hero for it - same thing Biden is doing now. And Raegan had all kinds of proxy wars. Bush Sr had his Gulf War and lost his job because he wouldn't drive his tanks into Iraq and finish the job. But Bush Jr finished the job for him. Clinton was generally a pacifist but still had Bosnia and Haiti. Obama went back on campaign promises and became more hawkish, but he was handed a lot of conflicts to deal with. And Trump had his interventions in the Gulf too, also sent quite a bit of aid to Ukraine.

And you're complaining about Biden? And Putin was totally justified because he didn't like the politics and policies going on in another country? You're just being a hypocrite. "If your guy does it he's destroying the country and the world but if my guy does it it's justified and fine."

This specific intervention in Ukraine happens to be one of our most successful ones - you should be happy. We paid the prices for our foreign policy mistakes and now it's Russia's turn. They never should have invaded. A country with a dictator antagonistic towards the West won't be a military rival for as long as he lives or is in power. But as a partisan hack you just can't support anything Biden does at this point.

Lmfao

"You just refuse to support this war for profit and murder for regime change because Joe Biden is the one doing it and this time it's gonna work" - @hometeam

Lmfao
Nice argument

 

[MR_Midas]

They need war with Russia because this war is being used as a distraction from their crimes.........so I do not expect it to end any time soon.

Whenever they hit us with something (like a Pandemic) they always have something worse planned, which they will use to make you forget what they've done to you.

There were similar thoughts that a war or a pandemic is just a way to distract and manipulate our attention.

 

[lukiss96]

I imagine sitting at the table would end not end up well lol...

steroids + alcohol + politics = holy shit!!!

But in all seriousness, I think this whole situation is very, very deep and bad and the worst thing is - regular people die. Too many young guys dying everyday, because of some old politics. There is no right or wrong side to this. They're all guilty. Not regular people like us. Wars are always touching innocent people the most. WW1/WW2/Vietnam/Iraq/Afghan/Syria/Ukraine and more. Humans never learn. This needs to end or the whole world is gonna collapse!

 

[Hughinn]

I imagine sitting at the table would end not end up well lol...

steroids + alcohol + politics = holy shit!!!

But in all seriousness, I think this whole situation is very, very deep and bad and the worst thing is - regular people die. Too many young guys dying everyday, because of some old politics. There is no right or wrong side to this. They're all guilty. Not regular people like us. Wars are always touching innocent people the most. WW1/WW2/Vietnam/Iraq/Afghan/Syria/Ukraine and more. Humans never learn. This needs to end or the whole world is gonna collapse!

"Not regular people like us"

I sometimes wonder about that.

Because you or I would think it wierd for example if we went to a middle aged rich man's house and he had unrelated teenage girls running around giving his guest's messages.

We would think that wrong.

But Bill Clinton didn't for example when he'd attend Jeffery Epstein sex island parties.

And I think the average American thinks it weirdly connected that the same corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden by paying his crackhead son millions of dollars for a cushy no show job is the same one today getting billions of taxpayers dollars from Joe Biden.

But we're not supposed to question why Clinton though that was acceptable, or why Joe Biden took those bribes just to pay dividends on them later.

We're just not supposed to talk about it

 

[Inspired]

I imagine sitting at the table would end not end up well lol...

steroids + alcohol + politics = holy shit!!!

But in all seriousness, I think this whole situation is very, very deep and bad and the worst thing is - regular people die. Too many young guys dying everyday, because of some old politics. There is no right or wrong side to this. They're all guilty. Not regular people like us. Wars are always touching innocent people the most. WW1/WW2/Vietnam/Iraq/Afghan/Syria/Ukraine and more. Humans never learn. This needs to end or the whole world is gonna collapse!

That's the point: they need and want the collapse. It's called "The Great Reset" and "Build Back Better". All of the world leaders are conspiring and pursuing this agenda.

I still don't know if Putin and Russia are playing along, or if they are trying to break away from this.