Quitting meat ?

[Juced]

Lol, Props @CdnGuy you got this!
These haters don't know what the fuck there talking about. Its funny when people talk shit even though they have zero experience or knowledge of the subject. Typical ignorant responses!

Hmm yes.
I am a vegetarian and I look fucking phenomenal.
I've never had any skin issue nor do I smell bad. Where the hell do you get your information from?
This is silly.


@CdnGuy, if this is something you want to try, you should totally do it.
Personally, it's not that I dislike the taste of meat, I became a vegetarian for moral reasons.
Yes, it's get a bit trickier when you're a bodybuilder eating a plant based diet, but totally doable.
I do eat eggs and milk products. They are a huge source of protein in my diet.
You can get protein from all kinds of beans, chickpeas, lentils, peas, quinoa, brown rice, oatmeal, seeds, nuts, nut butters, tofu, Greek yogurt, cottage cheese (any kind of cheese really) and vegetables. I do rely a lot on protein shakes, I usually have 2-3 per day.

Your macros may be a little different than what your used to eating meat. In order to meet my protein requirements my carbs tend to be high. However, they are all complex carbs. It would be nearly impossible to have a Keto or low carb diet. It has it's plus sides though, energy is always through the roof and all that natural fiber is excellent to lower bad cholesterol.

I commend you for wanting give it a try. Don't listen to all the haters. They have no idea what they're talking about. You can totally be a vegetarian/vegan juicer.
It requires discipline and may take a while to get used it. You'll body will love it though. I haven't looked back!

If you have any questions or need ideas for recipes, I'll be more than happy to help you

Bonne chance!

awesome replys!

i dont even eat egg or dairy (or fish for about 20 years). ( i wont lie if there is a pasta that was made with it or a cake at a birthday that likely had eggs used to make it and or milk i dont make a big deal and still eat it, but i dont go out of my way to add it to my diet)
I also add 1-3 protein drinks a day. cals are easy with alot of goof fats. and protein is decent in ALOT of plants so its not that hard, its more getting used to it and actually learning how to still eat well.

 

[Juced]

It's fundamentally a flawed diet. Without at least fish, you're screwed.

Pure vegan and vegetarian diets aren't healthy, fact.

Google skin and other health issues - not just my experience.

Do what you like, it's your body.

there is bluegreen alge with alot that fish has liek dha etc., and lots of plants and nuts for good fats... its not a flawed diet, you just dont know it as deep as someone that has alot of exp and/or knowladge on the subject.
google dairy and bad skin, sun and bad skin, meat diet and bad skine... it will all show things and it doesnt mean thats the norm and plus skin health can be a multifaceted thing so your comments are soo overly vauge and generalized to call fact its a joke imo

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

awesome replys!

i dont even eat egg or dairy (or fish for about 20 years). ( i wont lie if there is a pasta that was made with it or a cake at a birthday that likely had eggs used to make it and or milk i dont make a big deal and still eat it, but i dont go out of my way to add it to my diet)
I also add 1-3 protein drinks a day. cals are easy with alot of goof fats. and protein is decent in ALOT of plants so its not that hard, its more getting used to it and actually learning how to still eat well.

do you have a plant based protein powder you recommend?

 

[Juced]

Funny you speaking about what North American cafeteria's feed the kids now. I just watched Micheal Moore's "Where to invade next" Watch it sometime, the comparisons how the other countries do things and are so productive. Makes you shake your head.

i just downloaded it last week and plan to watch it soon!
worth the watch i assume?

 

[Eman]

awesome replys!

i dont even eat egg or dairy (or fish for about 20 years). ( i wont lie if there is a pasta that was made with it or a cake at a birthday that likely had eggs used to make it and or milk i dont make a big deal and still eat it, but i dont go out of my way to add it to my diet)
I also add 1-3 protein drinks a day. cals are easy with alot of goof fats. and protein is decent in ALOT of plants so its not that hard, its more getting used to it and actually learning how to still eat well.

Enough preaching of your vegan gospel!

 

[Juced]

do you have a plant based protein powder you recommend?

honestly i like this one> https://truenutrition.com/p-1102-rice-protein-concentrate-non-gmo-1lb.aspx?

this is not a plug, buy it where ever you want but make sure its iso/concentrate rice protein.
most dont think rice when asked where there is protein. even I didnt think much of it even though i love rice, but made con its actually pretty good. its not gritty liek the hemp protein and not so gritty.thick like the pea protein which i also kinda hate.
sometimes ill fo 90-95% rice con and 5-10% iso soy. in past i used about 50% whey and 50 rice cone and its actually even nicer if you dont mind whey. but this alone is doable and a really good amino profile.

 

[Morefyah]

ah shit man u got gallstones? that shit is no joke when its on the fritz...
The proton pump was working good but if I dont need drugs and can control it with diet and "homeopathic voodoo" Im all about it. Interesting your case sound almost identical to mine, except my health is just as poor @28 years old

-Im using a couple Enzymedica supps..."Acid Soothe" and "Digest"
Digestive Enzymes by Enzymedica
-Urban Moonshine digestive bitters
(there are probably cheaper I was just recommended these by my hippy chic)
About Digestive Bitters - Urban Moonshine
-kombucha with added spirulina, I've been buying these premade but I hope to start making my own kombucha its much more cost effective
-Vega Performance plant based protein powder
https://myvega.com/products/vega-sport-performance-protein-shaker-cup/

I avoid dairy, saturated fats, limit my nuts/avacados, extra lean proteins, increased fiber. I'll post a pic soon..my weight has stayed the same but my stomach is flat again...no more powerlifter ab/gut, distended mess

@Morefyah @Devika have you ever heard of Vega? shit is pricey but the founder is a professional triathlete on the Ironman circuit. I will give it a shot fuck it

I have TEK, it's crazy pricey!!
I use a vegan protein called nitrofusion and its like 25g pro a serving. It cost me about $50 bucks for 5lbs. You can get like 2 lbs of vega for the same price.
Have you guys ever ordered from nutrabio? They have great products not just veg/vegan protein. There pre workout is pretty bomb too!

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

I have TEK, it's crazy pricey!!
I use a vegan protein called nitrofusion and its like 25g pro a serving. It cost me about $50 bucks for 5lbs. You can get like 2 lbs of vega for the same price.
Have you guys ever ordered from nutrabio? They have great products not just veg/vegan protein. There pre workout is pretty bomb too!

I know nothing..
thanks for the tips Im newly "green", I was under the impression a lot of this shit is crazy pricey bc its kinda trendy right now but I figured guys that have been around have some honey holes

 

[Tmisatix]

I eat only fish, vegan protein and whey as my
Main sources of protein now and feel much better, digestion and performance.

Before I was pounding eggs, chicken, dairy, etc, looked worse and felt worse

 

[Happycamper]

I know nothing..
thanks for the tips Im newly "green", I was under the impression a lot of this shit is crazy pricey bc its kinda trendy right now but I figured guys that have been around have some honey holes

I have a tub I got from the fitexpo in LA. I use it as a doorstopper...you can have it

 

[tenpoundsleft]

look up some vegetarian bodybuilders. .. going vegan or veggie doesnt mean you knwo diet or how to eat, you cant base this off of the douches that stand out in this area. then you could say all meat eaters are fat slobs, just because the majorty of people nowadays seem to be AND eat meat. i do think alot of meat is unhealthy but i sure dont think simply going vegan will make you healthy, you need to know diet and needs.

and to the predator part... dude we are not apes in trees or caves slinging shit at eachother anymore... being at the top of the food chain sometimes means knowing better, respecting life, lifes that cant or dont know how to defend them selfes and to also not stay desensitized and fulls of excuses like "well i need meat to life" or " but i liek how it tastes" to killing animals that feel pain, love, fear etc. just like your pet could and in many cases is smarter than a dog or cat...
if you wouldent make steaks out of your dog or cat .. then maybe thats something to think about.

my skin is better than when i ate meat and im generally healthier too, and i like long cycles and my bloods are always good or withing range even on cycle....
dont generalize something your clearly dont understand...

"with great power comes great responsibility" -uncle ben

Sure, with tremendous effort, exotic supplements etc you might compensate successfully. Facts remain that vegans and their children suffer malnutrition - ref the study I quoted earlier. And it is a religious diet. Eating cats? WTF kind of argument is that? Case closed, you're nuts.

We're still apex predators and omnivores.

Some of us even learned to spell after moving out of the caves.

It's still a misguided diet - if you at least ate some fish I'd go along with it being healthy. Albeit not "green" - vegan and vegetarian diets have a considerable carbon footprints (for those who care about such).

If vegan or vegetarian diets were superior, we would have evolved in that direction, we haven't, we're omnivores.

 

[Juced]

Sure, with tremendous effort, exotic supplements etc you might compensate successfully. Facts remain that vegans and their children suffer malnutrition - ref the study I quoted earlier. And it is a religious diet. Eating cats? WTF kind of argument is that? Case closed, you're nuts.

We're still apex predators and omnivores.

Some of us even learned to spell after moving out of the caves.

It's still a misguided diet - if you at least ate some fish I'd go along with it being healthy. Albeit not "green" - vegan and vegetarian diets have a considerable carbon footprints (for those who care about such).

If vegan or vegetarian diets were superior, we would have evolved in that direction, we haven't, we're omnivores. dont kid yourself we are

im talking about compassion in relation to eating cats or cows....
and just because some dont know how to eat doesnt mean you would suffer malnutrition. explain to me how i havent eatin fish for about 20 years and no meat for 10 year and pretty much vegan for 2 yrs now and i DO NOT take exotic supps. just multi, b12, vitd, bluegreen alge dha and yet i do NOT suffer from malnutrition and are likely bigger than you. i get blood work don on the reg and only thing thats been been elevated was creatinin but i take extra creatine at times and that was the relation...
you sound like your trying to convince your self IMO, so you dont need to face the fact these thoughts you have are in fact FOS.


ps, the crbon foot print for farms nd animals is much bigger, do some research. how much food and water pluse the excraments... anyways... yeah i do care about that/ also soem plants are better for harvesting than others. some strip nutes from soil from over farming while others actually replenish soil with growth, so theres more to eating plants also, but i wont get into that.

 

[Juced]

I have TEK, it's crazy pricey!!
I use a vegan protein called nitrofusion and its like 25g pro a serving. It cost me about $50 bucks for 5lbs. You can get like 2 lbs of vega for the same price.
Have you guys ever ordered from nutrabio? They have great products not just veg/vegan protein. There pre workout is pretty bomb too!

i was gonna rec vega but i remember it was way to pricey IMO, if you have 2 houses and a boat then maybe you wont mind op, but i rather get 5lb for price of 2lb of something thats just about the same imo

gonna check them out, ty for name

where do you get the nitrofusion at? i see much higher prices on the search i just did, ty : )

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

The sympathy for animals thing is some thing i never will get
This is nature
In the wild the young are prey even in their own species. This cant be changed
And we are the top of our food chain
We kill and eat animals for food
This is our nature
If a vegan diet is what you want then so be it
But dont dare try to pass it off as natures intention or better
Its an alternative.

 

[Juced]

The sympathy for animals thing is some thing i never will get
This is nature
In the wild the young are prey even in their own species. This cant be changed
And we are the top of our food chain
We kill and eat animals for food
This is our nature
If a vegan diet is what you want then so be it
But dont dare try to pass it off as natures intention or better
Its an alternative.

this way of thinking is pretty much saying lets not evolve and know better as we learn.
if you have no sympathy for animals, and dont see them as living beings, sure less inteligent than us, but still pretty smart most of them (smarter then a child in alot of cases) and with feelings ... then that i dont get that...
we are at the top right? smarter right? then should be not know better? should we not protect those that dont know anybetter or cant defend themselves? should WE not set the example of respect for all life and impacting it the least needed?
what because they differ from us they have no value? some people feel like that about races let alone animals... and its sad...


our nature used to be slinging shit from trees, our nature used to be banging with rocks, our nature used to be hanging people for petty crimes, our nature used to be chopping hands off for stealing food ( alot of places still do) our nature used to be void of all tech and most information and now is the norm, our nature was to survive with the best we knew, and not to sound ignorant, most still dont know anybetter and have been desensitized by culture and upbringing of past mindsets... but just because im early with my views that WILL be more common (mock me words 10 yrs from now) and the majority sees a meat free diet as crazy still, doesnt mean its NOT meant to happen and wont. ..
fact is you dont need meat to live and eating meat means farms and death and pain... you tell me what truly feels right and keep that (but it tastes good) bs aside, i heard alot of things taste good but i prefer not to live through impulse and basic instincts . if you have no compassion for life then go eat all the meat you want, but i assure you their lives matter.

i sometimes use the human with a disability analogy, but i wont bother.
if you seriously dont understand compassion for other living beings then I feel sorry for you and i dont mean that as an insult, i actually do man.. desensitization has played a number on you...

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

this way of thinking is pretty much saying lets not evolve and know better as we learn.
if you have no sympathy for animals, and dont see them as living beings, sure less inteligent than us, but still pretty smart most of them (smarter then a child in alot of cases) and with feelings ... then that i dont get that...
we are at the top right? smarter right? then should be not know better? should we not protect those that dont know anybetter or cant defend themselves? should WE not set the example of respect for all life and impacting it the least needed?
what because they differ from us they have no value? some people feel like that about races let alone animals... and its sad...


our nature used to be slinging shit from trees, our nature used to be banging with rocks, our nature used to be hanging people for petty crimes, our nature used to be chopping hands off for stealing food ( alot of places still do) our nature used to be void of all tech and most information and now is the norm, our nature was to survive with the best we knew, and not to sound ignorant, most still dont know anybetter and have been desensitized by culture and upbringing of past mindsets... but just because im early with my views that WILL be more common (mock me words 10 yrs from now) and the majority sees a meat free diet as crazy still, doesnt mean its NOT meant to happen and wont. ..
fact is you dont need meat to live and eating meat means farms and death and pain... you tell me what truly feels right and keep that (but it tastes good) bs aside, i heard alot of things taste good but i prefer not to live through impulse and basic instincts . if you have no compassion for life then go eat all the meat you want, but i assure you their lives matter.

i sometimes use the human with a disability analogy, but i wont bother.
if you seriously dont understand compassion for other living beings then I feel sorry for you and i dont mean that as an insult, i actually do man.. desensitization has played a number on you...

Desenitizing?
Farmers raise their animals to be slaughtered. This is nature. This weak plight for animals lives is ridiculous. A malfunction of the brain, bro. Weakness and pity for some thing that was destined for the dinner table has been in all of our nature since the dawn of time. All of ours. Your the defactors. I already said i dont care but this point is what bothers me most. You vegans have this idea that your some kinda evolved being. Some highly intellectual primate different from the rest of us. Your not different. The same. No better. And the diet you choose goes against your very grain.

 

[Morefyah]

i was gonna rec vega but i remember it was way to pricey IMO, if you have 2 houses and a boat then maybe you wont mind op, but i rather get 5lb for price of 2lb of something thats just about the same imo

gonna check them out, ty for name

where do you get the nitrofusion at? i see much higher prices on the search i just did, ty : )

Yea I get the nitro fusion from lucky Vitamin also get my hemp protein there. Then I get my soy protein from nutrabio.
That cost me like $40 for 5 lbs.
I use one scoop of each blended with a cup of oats, a banana, and 2-3 tbsp of peanut butter and almond milk,
Shit taste amazing blended together and gives me about ;
800-900 cals
75g protein
80g carbs
With only about 3g saturated fat.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Look i really aint interested in arguing your adopted morals on animals lives
That has no weight in this discussion. If you choose to be a vegan then its a dietary choice. Thats it. I was hoping for a more informative discussion.

 

[Juced]

Desenitizing?
Farmers raise their animals to be slaughtered. This is nature. This weak plight for animals lives is ridiculous. A malfunction of the brain, bro. Weakness and pity for some thing that was destined for the dinner table has been in all of our nature since the dawn of time. All of ours. Your the defactors. I already said i dont care but this point is what bothers me most. You vegans have this idea that your some kinda evolved being. Some highly intellectual primate different from the rest of us. Your not different. The same. No better. And the diet you choose goes against your very grain.

i dont think im better than anyone, i do think I have a higher awareness and compassion sure.

farms are not normal/natural its something we learned and replicated to eat, same with veggie farms ofcourse, we made them. show me one species that does this? gorillas dont generally eat meat and many animals dont, some do , some even eat their young.
ill live though my mind and what feels right.
how can you seriously argue avoiding death and pain of smaller beings as being a bad thing and a misguided thing when we know better now ( nutrition and needs backed by science and needs for body)
my whole family eats meat, i dont think them lesser people, just not as aware and too caught up in argument "god put animals here for us to eat" or " thats how it is" at a time there was a need from not knowing better, now we can live without meat so why does that offend you soo much?

 

[Juced]

Look i really aint interested in arguing your adopted morals on animals lives
That has no weight in this discussion. If you choose to be a vegan then its a dietary choice. Thats it. I was hoping for a more informative discussion.

its much more than a dietary choice...
ok then why come in this thread?

anyways, lets all just live without growing and evolving to better ways of life and this earth...
i mean im a nut job because i think killing animals with no need in this day and age is wrong right? ( and there is no need other than wanting to and being used to it along with being desensitized to respect for life and our impact on them)
whats we did 100 or 200 or 300yrs ago i would think would tell you things could change in terms of needs and perception and awareness , but im just a nut job for respecting all life ( even plants but i need draw a line out of need and to live) yours is at meat, mine is at plants...