New Member – Finished My First Cycle, Looking to Learn More

[Mamaqiyus]

Hi everyone,

I'm 20 years old and have recently completed a 3-month cycle consisting of Test E, Anavar, and Primobolan. I’ve been reading this forum for quite some time and have learned a lot from many of the discussions here. Until now, I’ve managed just by following threads silently, but I’ve come to realize that it’s time I become an actual part of the community.

My current stats are: 181 cm, 84 kg, around 23% body fat. My main goal now is to achieve a leaner, more aesthetic physique by reducing body fat.

I joined MESO because I genuinely value the forum’s focus on harm reduction and real-world experience. I want to continue learning about safe and effective PED use, smarter cycle planning, proper PCT, and responsible long-term strategies.
Looking forward to contributing where I can and learning from all of you.
Thanks,

 

[BigDadd7]

You need to lose 12kg of fat to get down to 15% bf. You don't have enough muscle.

Focus on eating lean and getting 150 grams of protein every day. No need for roids.

 

[Mamaqiyus]

You need to lose 12kg of fat to get down to 15% bf. You don't have enough muscle.

Focus on eating lean and getting 150 grams of protein every day. No need for roids.

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate the directness.

You're absolutely right that I need to drop a significant amount of fat and build more muscle mass. I’m not under any illusions about that. That said, I’ve made the conscious decision to continue with PEDs — not out of impatience, but because I’m fully committed to doing this with structure, bloodwork, and long-term planning in mind.

To be fair, my last 3-month cycle (Test E, Primo, Anavar) did make a huge difference. Both visually and in terms of strength, I’ve made progress that I hadn’t seen in a long time — and I believe the cycle had a real, positive impact. Of course, there’s still a long road ahead, but it gave me the momentum I needed.

I understand this isn’t the route everyone would recommend at my stage, but I’m taking a cautious and informed approach — with modest dosages, regular health checks, and a clear goal in mind: to lean down while preserving and slowly increasing quality muscle.

Still, I value advice from experienced members like you. If you have suggestions on how to optimize a recomp or lean-down phase while enhanced, I’m all ears.

Thanks again,

 

[DugPrime]

How can you be 23% of body fat at 84kg man, you're supposed to start training, before starting steroids.

 

[Mamaqiyus]

How can you be 23% of body fat at 84kg man, you're supposed to start training, before starting steroids.

Fair point — and I get where you’re coming from. I know a lot of people rush into cycles too early, and I can understand why my stats might raise eyebrows.

i didn’t have a very consistent training background before, but I had some experience over the years. During my last cycle (Test E + Primo + Anavar), I finally committed to proper training and nutrition. For example by the end of it, I managed to bench 100 kg for 5 reps — which was a personal milestone, especially considering I started at a higher body fat percentage.

Physically, my body also started to come together — I looked noticeably leaner, fuller, and more balanced. It was the first time I actually felt like my physique was taking shape.

I know 23% isn’t ideal, but I’m fully aware that with a solid diet and continued discipline, I can bring it down. I’m not looking for shortcuts — I just wanted a jumpstart. My goal now is to continue improving my body composition while also increasing strength, and I’m planning my next cycle with that in mind — something more tailored to support fat loss while maintaining performance.

I genuinely appreciate the feedback and I’m here to learn and do this right.

 

[BigDadd7]

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate the directness.

You're absolutely right that I need to drop a significant amount of fat and build more muscle mass. I’m not under any illusions about that. That said, I’ve made the conscious decision to continue with PEDs — not out of impatience, but because I’m fully committed to doing this with structure, bloodwork, and long-term planning in mind.

To be fair, my last 3-month cycle (Test E, Primo, Anavar) did make a huge difference. Both visually and in terms of strength, I’ve made progress that I hadn’t seen in a long time — and I believe the cycle had a real, positive impact. Of course, there’s still a long road ahead, but it gave me the momentum I needed.

I understand this isn’t the route everyone would recommend at my stage, but I’m taking a cautious and informed approach — with modest dosages, regular health checks, and a clear goal in mind: to lean down while preserving and slowly increasing quality muscle.

Still, I value advice from experienced members like you. If you have suggestions on how to optimize a recomp or lean-down phase while enhanced, I’m all ears.

Thanks again,

I'm looking forward to following your progress. I would love to see a success story.

 

[Mamaqiyus]

I'm looking forward to following your progress. I would love to see a success story.

Thanks man, I really appreciate that. I’m fully committed this time and taking things seriously — both training and learning. Hoping to turn this into a real success story over time. I’ll definitely keep updating my progress as things move forward.

 

[BigDadd7]

Take some pics so you can do a before and after in a few months

 

[rxzed]

Fair point — and I get where you’re coming from. I know a lot of people rush into cycles too early, and I can understand why my stats might raise eyebrows.

i didn’t have a very consistent training background before, but I had some experience over the years. During my last cycle (Test E + Primo + Anavar), I finally committed to proper training and nutrition. For example by the end of it, I managed to bench 100 kg for 5 reps — which was a personal milestone, especially considering I started at a higher body fat percentage.

Physically, my body also started to come together — I looked noticeably leaner, fuller, and more balanced. It was the first time I actually felt like my physique was taking shape.

I know 23% isn’t ideal, but I’m fully aware that with a solid diet and continued discipline, I can bring it down. I’m not looking for shortcuts — I just wanted a jumpstart. My goal now is to continue improving my body composition while also increasing strength, and I’m planning my next cycle with that in mind — something more tailored to support fat loss while maintaining performance.

I genuinely appreciate the feedback and I’m here to learn and do this right.

Steroids have no relation to BF%. You will not make less gains during a deficit with steroids than you would in a surplus. Just get into a deficit and use drugs as any other responsible person would.

At that BF% you should be making performance gains during the cut, steroids or not. Recomping is something you should only do at a healthy BF. You should be able to get down to sub 15% within 2 months, assuming you lose 1KG/week and don't add any additional muscle.

Further, for the love of god, don't use orals. They are complete shit and will not give you anything that additional injectables can't. If you need help with appetite, use sema or tirz.

 

[Mamaqiyus]

Steroids have no relation to BF%. You will not make less gains during a deficit with steroids than you would in a surplus. Just get into a deficit and use drugs as any other responsible person would.

At that BF% you should be making performance gains during the cut, steroids or not. Recomping is something you should only do at a healthy BF. You should be able to get down to sub 15% within 2 months, assuming you lose 1KG/week and don't add any additional muscle.

Further, for the love of god, don't use orals. They are complete shit and will not give you anything that additional injectables can't. If you need help with appetite, use sema or tirz.

I get where you’re coming from, and I agree — fat loss should definitely be a top priority at my current BF%. But at the same time, my lifts have been going up steadily — especially on compound movements like bench and rows — and physically, I’ve also started to see real changes in my chest, back, and arms. That’s part of why I want to keep building while cutting fat with gear, instead of just ending up looking smaller.

Regarding orals — I’ve used Anavar before and had a decent experience with it. That said, for my next cycle, I’m planning to take a break from all orals for at least 1–2 months before introducing anything again. If I do use Anavar, it will be low-dose and short-term, mainly for its recomposition and strength-preserving effects during the cut.

I’m not trying to blast anything or rush the process — I just want to come out leaner, stronger, and with a more aesthetic overall look. Appreciate the input — always open to learn more and do things better.

Take some pics so you can do a before and after in a few months

Will share before and after. In a few months.

 

[rxzed]

I get where you’re coming from, and I agree — fat loss should definitely be a top priority at my current BF%. But at the same time, my lifts have been going up steadily — especially on compound movements like bench and rows — and physically, I’ve also started to see real changes in my chest, back, and arms. That’s part of why I want to keep building while cutting fat with gear, instead of just ending up looking smaller.

I'm not saying to use gear, or not use gear. Just don't base your decision off of being in a deficit or surplus, and use them in the same manner either way. If your lifts are increasing, and they aren't novel, then you are building muscle. The caveat is that fat gain can increase numbers without building in muscle.

You will continue to build regardless of using steroids or not. Muscle is super easy to maintain. You won't lose any gains, even if you come completely off, so long as you aren't a fair bit past your natural genetic limit.

The very nature of you getting leaner will make you look bigger, even if you didn't add muscle. Most of the guys on Instagram that look huge are like 180lbs.

Regarding orals — I’ve used Anavar before and had a decent experience with it. That said, for my next cycle, I’m planning to take a break from all orals for at least 1–2 months before introducing anything again. If I do use Anavar, it will be low-dose and short-term, mainly for its recomposition and strength-preserving effects during the cut.

Anavar is a very mild anabolic and places far greater stress on your health than additional injectables will. There's no special recomp or muscle preserving effect that it possesses over other injectables. I highly advise sticking with only injectables, unless you just want to have fun with the artificial strength gains, which is a fair motive.

I’m not trying to blast anything or rush the process — I just want to come out leaner, stronger, and with a more aesthetic overall look. Appreciate the input — always open to learn more and do things better.



Will share before and after. In a few months.

That's a good mindset. Good luck, and I look forward to seeing the update.

 

[Mamaqiyus]

I'm not saying to use gear, or not use gear. Just don't base your decision off of being in a deficit or surplus, and use them in the same manner either way. If your lifts are increasing, and they aren't novel, then you are building muscle. The caveat is that fat gain can increase numbers without building in muscle.

You will continue to build regardless of using steroids or not. Muscle is super easy to maintain. You won't lose any gains, even if you come completely off, so long as you aren't a fair bit past your natural genetic limit.

The very nature of you getting leaner will make you look bigger, even if you didn't add muscle. Most of the guys on Instagram that look huge are like 180lbs.

Anavar is a very mild anabolic and places far greater stress on your health than additional injectables will. There's no special recomp or muscle preserving effect that it possesses over other injectables. I highly advise sticking with only injectables, unless you just want to have fun with the artificial strength gains, which is a fair motive.

That's a good mindset. Good luck, and I look forward to seeing the update.

I’m not planning to run Anavar solo — the base will be Test E, and I’ll add either Masteron or Primo depending on how lean I get and what’s available.

I’m also setting up the full cycle plan with proper PCT timing included, not just jumping into it blind. The goal is to drop fat, hold onto strength, and come out looking tighter overall.

Appreciate the feedback — I’ll keep updates coming.

 

[Oldhand]

I know we are all focused on AAS, and there is great advice out there already so I’m going to bring up another angle. Really look into fine tuning your diet.

I’m sure you eat good already, but get obsessed with it macros and calories. Most people meal prep but if you are not using a food scale, please get one. I know it’s wierd to weigh food. The scale is a game changer, I wish I used one 15 years ago.

Protein: A great place to start is 1g protein per body lb. Personally I eat a little more than 1g because my diet is more meat based than anything. It keeps me happy and feeling well fed.

Carbs: Many will have different on this one. Historically, most suggest 2g per body lb. Personally carbs are the macro I adjust for bulking/cutting. I adjust this macro to get my calories where I need them. You want to lose weight so obviously this needs to be under 2g…. Experiment with 1g and see.

Fat: Some will say 20% of you calories should come from fat. I don’t obsess with this one. I eat steak, eggs, avocados, fish, nuts, etc…. It just gets in there… make sure to count the fat so you can track calories, but I’ve always built my diet by selecting my protein foods first, then carbs…. Fat just makes it in there. Again, track it… 9 calls a gram adds up fast!

For me, 2400 to 2600 calls a day keeps me at 200lb (I’m pretty lean, but not single digit)

200g protein = 800 cal
300g carb= 1200 cal
45g fat= 400 cal

Now if I wanted to cut I go down to about 2,000. Bulk is about 3.000.

Adjust this to your maintenance calories and try the same ratio of macros. Then build the meal prep foods to your liking. PICK SIMPLE FOOD. All these dudes in tik tok make this 20 ingredient bullshit… you are not going to meal prep complicated things for very long. Simple like…. Sheet bake sirloin and chicken breast with garlic pepper and salt. Done,

 

[Dial It In]

You need to lose 12kg of fat to get down to 15% bf. You don't have enough muscle.

Focus on eating lean and getting 150 grams of protein every day. No need for roids.

You need to lose 12kg of fat to get down to 15% bf. You don't have enough muscle.

Focus on eating lean and getting 150 grams of protein every day. No need for roids.

That’s spot on. Even running high test at a higher body fat can impact E2 on some. It’s always best to have every aspect dialed in (training, diet, sleep, stress) before jumping on a cycle. Even your visceral fat around your organs can be impacted.

 

[manulinho86]

Guter Punkt – und ich verstehe, worauf Sie hinauswollen. Ich weiß, dass viele Leute zu früh in Zyklen einsteigen, und ich kann verstehen, warum meine Statistiken für Stirnrunzeln sorgen könnten.

Ich hatte vorher kein sehr konsequentes Training, aber über die Jahre hinweg etwas Erfahrung gesammelt. Während meines letzten Zyklus (Test E + Primo + Anavar) habe ich mich endlich dem richtigen Training und der richtigen Ernährung verschrieben. Zum Beispiel schaffte ich es am Ende, 100 kg fünfmal auf der Bank zu halten – ein persönlicher Meilenstein, insbesondere wenn man bedenkt, dass ich mit einem höheren Körperfettanteil begonnen hatte.

Auch körperlich nahm mein Körper Gestalt an – ich sah deutlich schlanker, voller und ausgeglichener aus. Zum ersten Mal hatte ich das Gefühl, dass mein Körper Gestalt annahm.

Ich weiß, dass 23 % nicht ideal sind, aber ich bin mir völlig bewusst, dass ich es mit einer soliden Ernährung und anhaltender Disziplin senken kann. Ich suche keine Abkürzungen – ich wollte nur einen Anstoß. Mein Ziel ist es nun, meine Körperzusammensetzung weiter zu verbessern und gleichzeitig meine Kraft zu steigern. In diesem Sinne plane ich meinen nächsten Zyklus – etwas, das besser auf den Fettabbau zugeschnitten ist, ohne die Leistung zu beeinträchtigen.

Ich bin wirklich dankbar für das Feedback und bin hier, um zu lernen und es richtig zu machen.

Du schreibst sehr cool und bedacht. Da steckt kein Dummkopf hinter, der nur ballert. Ich handhabe es schnell genau so wie Du. Vielleicht kann man sich mal austauschen?!
Liebe gGrüße aus Deutschland ;-)