Loving my first go at tesamorelin

[Proud Pangolin]

interesting take to addon's to boosting peptides effects. What about other soma inhibiting supplements like the choline's or huperzine. Also, with what effectiveness do these work, wish i could run an experiment and blood work with the additions you mentioned and see its impact on my tesa run.

I get depression vom huperine as its a powerfull cholinesterase inhibitor. Really nasty sleeps and nightsweats answell. Cant say anything about cholin as i dont know any studys where it was used together with GHRH's

 

[Ateam2023]

I just want to chip in and say: as long as you dont care about sq injections try 3x daily GHRH+ GHRP. Best protocoll would be something like
Morning: CJC no DAC + GHRP-2

Directly after your workout: CJC no DAC + GHRP-2

Rifht before bed: 2mg Tesamorelin + 400mcq Ipamorelin

I think you will be surprised how good the results are while you GH receptors can reset

(Basically switching every CJC no DAC with Tesamorelin would be best but for me 6mg of Tesamorelin per day is simply to expensive and as Tesa not only results in ONE higher peak but a higher basal GH level and higher peaks in the coming 6h in generel.

However: you would want these higher peakS(!) during night time and if you train in the afternoon this could weaken the effect of the bedtime dosages. Just one concern i want to throw in.

Thats also one if the reason why i choose Ipamorelin for the night time dosage as its metabolites are a lot longer present which MAY result in a longer desens. of receptors as these can only reboute when no metabolite is present anymore.

This is very very theoretical though and only some precautions im taling. Doenst have to be true at all but the literature isnt clear enough about this. Also the second (and very big reason) for choosing GHRP-2 over Impamorelin is the price. GHRP-2 Iis significant cheaper tha Ipa and you need like 4x the amount of Ipa to achieve saturation dosage.

All this beeing said, if i could afford it i would still at least run Tesamorelin instead of CJC in every dosage.

Little extra advise if you want to get all out of it: about 30/45mins before your night dosage take 12g of arginine or l-citrulline as it will inhibit Soma even more. Also, you could take 3600mg of GABA. I only take 1500mg of GABA and not for the GH but for sleep as i get nasty astma attacke from so much GABA. Its a know sideeffect, totally harmless but very unpleasent never the less.

However im not taking arginin/citrulline myself for this purpose simply because im using it as a pump booster and im building tolerance to it, so yeah i want that stuff for my pumps. If you dont however, that would be a cheap option to furthe boost your peptides)

that stack sounds quite expensive without looking into it more, taking 3 different ghrh to replace my hgh dose, Very interesting and i will look into it, i saw the starting dose for tesa is @2 mg daily, you said you were taking 6 mg, i guess that is a respectable dose, how does that compare to 3-4-5 ius of hgh regarding igf1 numbers? i wish good ol @Ghoul would chime in and lend a helping hand, he's Gawddamn good at this type of stuff,

 

[Ateam2023]

why couldnt you run reta with Tesa? I was actually considering running reta with tesa just to keep blood sugar in check over the natural supplements (berberine) i am taking

i dont know "why" i couldn't run them together? i think it wouldn't be a problem , im just using the reta as a bg management tool, and thinking about taking a break from hgh to reset, but not sure i need a break from hgh if reta does its magic on my bg numbers as well as fasted insulin, so much confusing information surrounding hgh downregulation and how to actually bridge the gap from discontinued hgh use.

 

[benfrankparkway]

that stack sounds quite expensive without looking into it more, taking 3 different ghrh to replace my hgh dose, Very interesting and i will look into it, i saw the starting dose for tesa is @2 mg daily, you said you were taking 6 mg, i guess that is a respectable dose, how does that compare to 3-4-5 ius of hgh regarding igf1 numbers? i wish good ol @Ghoul would chime in and lend a helping hand, he's Gawddamn good at this type of stuff,

i thought the 6mg of tesa was a typo. I am curious to this as well as how much difference did you see with this dose over the standard 2mg dose.

 

[xeonmasters]

I remember a getbig[.]com protocol from 2010 with egrifta+hgh, has anyone used both together and solo? I'm thinking about using hgh + tesa, but I don't know if it will be a waste of money.

 

[sionnach]

I remember a getbig[.]com protocol from 2010 with egrifta+hgh, has anyone used both together and solo? I'm thinking about using hgh + tesa, but I don't know if it will be a waste of money.

https://typeiix.substack.com/p/how-exogenous-gh-blunts-gh-secretagogues

 

[xeonmasters]

https://typeiix.substack.com/p/how-exogenous-gh-blunts-gh-secretagogues

*Hands on experience*

 

[sionnach]

*Hands on experience*

I've used them both, but I don't have any experience taking them together. I don't see the point. You can try to stimulate/increase your own production of GH, or you can take GH.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

that stack sounds quite expensive without looking into it more, taking 3 different ghrh to replace my hgh dose, Very interesting and i will look into it, i saw the starting dose for tesa is @2 mg daily, you said you were taking 6 mg, i guess that is a respectable dose, how does that compare to 3-4-5 ius of hgh regarding igf1 numbers? i wish good ol @Ghoul would chime in and lend a helping hand, he's Gawddamn good at this type of stuff,

No no you got me wrong, i said 6mg Tesa per day is to expensive for me. Most of the time i ran peptides i just ran 3x a day 100mcq CJC no dac + 100mcq GHRP-2 whivh is DIRT cheap.

No if you want to upgrade this you can switch the CJC no dac before bed with 2mg Tesamorelin.

With a little more budget you could additionall switch the GHRP-2 before bed with Ipamorelin but this probably wont result in a big difference. Its just my lets call it "thought" as Ipamorelin (and its metabolites) are singificant longer present than GHRP-2 and i want tze effects as long as possible for the night dosage.

So basically if you want to save money just go with 3x daily CJC no day + GHRP-2 whivh will cost you almost nothing (you can get like 5 months suppy for 150 bucks or something like that) and the best bang for you buck would be switching the CJC no dac before bed with 2mg tesamorelin.

If you dont want to spend the extra miney on Ipamorelin you could as mentioned take some l-arginine/l-citrulline and some GABA with it. Both is dirt cheap and have clinical backing. Arginine is a soma inhibitor. GABA also releases GH. Why? Its not totally clear to be honest hut very likely soma inhibitor as well.


As you can see there are multiple option. It comes down to how much you want to spend

I can only speak from my experience and i had better results on peptides than on 4 IU HGH. What im trying to say is, you may be surprised how much you can get out of peptides if you have a good protocoll.


(Ah and very Important. Its best to not eat carbs with peptides. So wait 20-30min after taking tgen before eating for max effect. The literature isnt clear about this but why risk it. The only dosage i dont really take on insuline abscence is my dosage right before bed because i usually eat like one hour before bed)

 

[Proud Pangolin]

that stack sounds quite expensive without looking into it more, taking 3 different ghrh to replace my hgh dose, Very interesting and i will look into it, i saw the starting dose for tesa is @2 mg daily, you said you were taking 6 mg, i guess that is a respectable dose, how does that compare to 3-4-5 ius of hgh regarding igf1 numbers? i wish good ol @Ghoul would chime in and lend a helping hand, he's Gawddamn good at this type of stuff,

This guy had higher igf-1 levels on peptides than on 6IU HGH (However just to mention it: Nova is lowering igf-1, still thats absolutely incredible)

 

[Proud Pangolin]

I remember a getbig[.]com protocol from 2010 with egrifta+hgh, has anyone used both together and solo? I'm thinking about using hgh + tesa, but I don't know if it will be a waste of money.

You could do HGH at night and Tesa in the morning or mid day. Of course you wont get as much out of tge Tesa as GH probably (even though its oitbof the system by then) will still have some repressive effect but wouldnt be a waste of money.

Or let me ask you this: what do you consider a waste of money?

 

[Ateam2023]

No no you got me wrong, i said 6mg Tesa per day is to expensive for me. Most of the time i ran peptides i just ran 3x a day 100mcq CJC no dac + 100mcq GHRP-2 whivh is DIRT cheap.

No if you want to upgrade this you can switch the CJC no dac before bed with 2mg Tesamorelin.

With a little more budget you could additionall switch the GHRP-2 before bed with Ipamorelin but this probably wont result in a big difference. Its just my lets call it "thought" as Ipamorelin (and its metabolites) are singificant longer present than GHRP-2 and i want tze effects as long as possible for the night dosage.

So basically if you want to save money just go with 3x daily CJC no day + GHRP-2 whivh will cost you almost nothing (you can get like 5 months suppy for 150 bucks or something like that) and the best bang for you buck would be switching the CJC no dac before bed with 2mg tesamorelin.

If you dont want to spend the extra miney on Ipamorelin you could as mentioned take some l-arginine/l-citrulline and some GABA with it. Both is dirt cheap and have clinical backing. Arginine is a soma inhibitor. GABA also releases GH. Why? Its not totally clear to be honest hut very likely soma inhibitor as well.


As you can see there are multiple option. It comes down to how much you want to spend

I can only speak from my experience and i had better results on peptides than on 4 IU HGH. What im trying to say is, you may be surprised how much you can get out of peptides if you have a good protocoll.


(Ah and very Important. Its best to not eat carbs with peptides. So wait 20-30min after taking tgen before eating for max effect. The literature isnt clear about this but why risk it. The only dosage i dont really take on insuline abscence is my dosage right before bed because i usually eat like one hour before bed)

i eat some oatmeal @45 minutes before bed for better bg levels throughout the night, so i think that would work out, Thanks for your input on this ,

 

[Ateam2023]

i eat some oatmeal @45 minutes before bed for better bg levels throughout the night, so i think that would work out, Thanks fo4 your input on this ,

now you say 100 mcq? is that really meaning mcg as in micrograms? 100 mcg 3x daily or take tesa in place of at nightime dose? plus ghrp2 ?

 

[Ateam2023]

This guy had higher igf-1 levels on peptides than on 6IU HGH (However just to mention it: Nova is lowering igf-1, still thats absolutely incredible)

this is with 5 iu daily with a slight surplus/maintenance calories

 

[Ateam2023]

I remember a getbig[.]com protocol from 2010 with egrifta+hgh, has anyone used both together and solo? I'm thinking about using hgh + tesa, but I don't know if it will be a waste of money.

just run hgh or peptides, either or, your just trying to raise your igf1 which can be done with either route , i prefer hgh because well , thats a no brainer, im over 50 and like all the benefits associated with, ymmv

 

[Proud Pangolin]

now you say 100 mcq? is that really meaning mcg as in micrograms? 100 mcg 3x daily or take tesa in place of at nightime dose? plus ghrp2 ?

It means 100 micrograms per dosage (which is considered the saturation dosage (1mcg/kg of bodyweight for GHRP-2)

Basically my protocoll i would advise be:

Morning: 100mcg of CJC no DAC + 100mcg of GHRP-2

After workout/mid day: 100mcg of CJC no DAC + 100mcg of GHRP-2

Before bed: 2mg of Tesamorelin+ 100mcg of GHRP-2/ or 400mcg Ipamorelin


Budget/school boy (because no money) protocoll would be: 3x daily CJC no DAC + GHRP-2

Basically you have GHRH's (CJC and Tesamorelin) and you have GHRP's (GHRP-2, GHRP-6, Hexarelin, Ipamorelin)
And you can interchange them.

Tesamorelin is superior to CJC as it not only results in ONE bug pulse but also in bigger PULSES the coming hours (thats why i would apply it before bed)

400mcg of Ipamorelin= 100mcg of GHRP-2 ( however see what i wrote about metabolites)

Also Ipamorelin is "cleaner" than GHRP-2. You may get hungry from GHRP-2 especially in the beginning. Its also said to MAYBE raise cortisol and prolactin but i didnt notice anything.

I would stay away from GHRP-6 (as long as you arent trying to bulk) as it will result in singificant hunger and has absolutely not benefits over GHRP-2 and may actually raise prolactine/cortisol.

Hexarelin is very strong but will result in fast desensitation and absolutely raise prolactine and cortisol over time

 

[songsofpyramids]

Sensitivity can be reset with a break of around 2-3 months

and thinking about taking a break from hgh to reset

for whatever it’s worth I have found great positive impact in doing a full 3 month wash out of hgh after restarting hgh. I’m getting better results on lower doses. I ran it for about 2 years before. I will be cycling off every 4-6 months from here on out I find the results so surprising. Also found it dropped my fasting insulin, which had gotten a little high on hgh despite my A1c and fasting glucose being fine.

 

[Ateam2023]

for whatever it’s worth I have found great positive impact in doing a full 3 month wash out of hgh after restarting hgh. I’m getting better results on lower doses. I ran it for about 2 years before. I will be cycling off every 4-6 months from here on out I find the results so surprising. Also found it dropped my fasting insulin, which had gotten a little high on hgh despite my A1c and fasting glucose being fine.

did you use any GHRP/Secretagogue type drugs ?

 

[songsofpyramids]

did you use any GHRP/Secretagogue type drugs

I used ipamorelin for a few weeks for sleep hygiene but then dropped it. Didn’t use a ghrh because I’m allergic to mod grf and didn’t want to gamble on tesa with how bad my reactions were to ghrh. Before I developed the allergy the combo was pretty nice for recovery and sleep. Far better for sleep than hgh for me even.

 

[NOCTURNALDEATH]

2mg is the daily dose.

If your vial is 2mg (that's a single dose vial, they're uncommon so make
sure that's the case), you want anywhere from .6ml to .8ml BAC water and inject the entire thing into subcutaneous fat.

This is something you need to commit to for months for the intended benefits. . 6 months to reach a really noticeable outcome. You'll notice initial changes after a month or so. Improved nails, hair, skin, sleep,.... improved lipids, beginning of visceral fat softening and reduction.

Look around and find out. It should take you all of 5 minutes or less.

On meso??