5/7 vs 7/7

BigDadd7

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I'm on 4iu. I ran 2iu for three weeks and then upped to 4iu for the last week. I plan to run 4iu for at least the next six months without increasing. I take it fasted in the morning.

My question-
I see some guys doing 5 on 2 off, 6/1, etc. Is that just to minimize sides? Is there some other benefit I'm not missing?
 
I'm on 4iu. I ran 2iu for three weeks and then upped to 4iu for the last week. I plan to run 4iu for at least the next six months without increasing. I take it fasted in the morning.

My question-
I see some guys doing 5 on 2 off, 6/1, etc. Is that just to minimize sides? Is there some other benefit I'm not missing?
Imo, no benefit except it saves you a little hgh per week, back when hgh was super exclusive/expensive , this 5/2 schedule came out , cheaper to take two days off per week , or some shit like that, i would want my hgh levels as steady as can be and taking 2 days off will just mess with that "steady state" ,
 
It's a leftover habit from the days when rHGH cost thousands of dollars a month to run and 5/2 was a way to stretch your incredibly costly supply.

There's no benefit. No growth stunted child or GH deficient adult on rHGH therapy is put on an intermittent schedule.

It's not enough of a break to resensitize GH receptors (that takes 6+ weeks), and all it's really doing is lowering your effective dose. 7iu / day for 5 days (35iu / wk) is mostly the same as 5iu / day for 7 days a week (35iu / wk) in terms of cumulative effect (though overall, the skipping days protocol has worse sides and less benefit).
 
I'm on 4iu. I ran 2iu for three weeks and then upped to 4iu for the last week. I plan to run 4iu for at least the next six months without increasing. I take it fasted in the morning.

My question-
I see some guys doing 5 on 2 off, 6/1, etc. Is that just to minimize sides? Is there some other benefit I'm not missing?
saves money. genuinely the reason many people did that back in the day
 
It's a leftover habit from the days when rHGH cost thousands of dollars a month to run and 5/2 was a way to stretch your incredibly costly supply.

There's no benefit. No growth stunted child or GH deficient adult on rHGH therapy is put on an intermittent schedule.

It's not enough of a break to resensitize GH receptors (that takes 6+ weeks), and all it's really doing is lowering your effective dose. 7iu / day for 5 days (35iu / wk) is mostly the same as 5iu / day for 7 days a week (35iu / wk) in terms of cumulative effect (though overall, the skipping days protocol has worse sides and less benefit).

For me personally I found taking a few days off every so often resets the water bloat and BP/RHR comes down by a lot. Even on low doses. But I'm probably unique in how badly i get sides.

> It's not enough of a break to resensitize GH receptors (that takes 6+ weeks),

Is there any benefit to this?
 
For me personally I found taking a few days off every so often resets the water bloat and BP/RHR comes down by a lot. Even on low doses. But I'm probably unique in how badly i get sides.

> It's not enough of a break to resensitize GH receptors (that takes 6+ weeks),

Is there any benefit to this?

Primarily to get lipolysis to be as effective as it had been during the first few months of rHGH use, without needing to increase the dose.

Tesamorelin is as effective for visceral fat loss as it is, despite being the equivalent of a very low rHGH dose, because it maintains the natural pulsatile release pattern. Adipocyte receptors don't downregulate when exposed to brief pulses followed by a refractory (rest) period, and continue to release fat with every pulse of GH.

rHGH causes an unnatural continuous stimulation of those receptors, they increasingly withdraw into the cell, and the initial rHGH rapid fat loss effect diminishes over several months. In some studies that closely track body composition on rHGH treatment, you see this odd, small increase in fat mass several months into treatment (most fat loss is still maintained, it's just strange to see it blip upwards a little after falling for months, then plateaus after this small increase and stays stable).

Sensitivity can be reset with a break of around 2-3 months, or faster, while maintaining rHGH gains, by switching to Tesamorelin then back to rHGH.

The stronger, but still natural pulse pattern of GH when on Tesa has been shown to actually "pull" GH receptors out of cells, "training" them to become more sensitive than the weaker pulses you'd have without Tesa.

Restored sensitivity helps all rHGH improvements revert to the pace they happened at when you started rHGH, but the enhanced lipolysis effect is the first to diminish, and makes the biggest improvements when sensitivity increases. .
 
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Primarily to get lipolysis to be as effective as it had been during the first few months of rHGH use, without needing to increase the dose.

Tesamorelin is as effective for visceral fat loss as it is, despite being the equivalent of a very low rHGH dose, because it maintains the natural pulsatile release pattern. Adipocyte receptors don't downregulate when exposed to brief pulses followed by a refractory (rest) period, and continue to release fat with every pulse of GH.

rHGH causes an unnatural continuous stimulation of those receptors, they increasingly withdraw into the cell, and the initial rHGH rapid fat loss effect diminishes over several months. In some studies that closely track body composition on rHGH treatment, you see this odd, small increase in fat mass several months into treatment (most fat loss is still maintained, it's just strange to see it blip upwards a little after falling for months, then plateaus after this small increase and stays stable).

Sensitivity can be reset with a break of around 2-3 months, or faster, while maintaining rHGH gains, by switching to Tesamorelin then back to rHGH.

The stronger, but still natural pulse pattern of GH when on Tesa has been shown to actually "pull" GH receptors out of cells, "training" them to become more sensitive than the weaker pulses you'd have without Tesa.

Restored sensitivity helps all rHGH improvements revert to the pace they happened at when you started rHGH, but the enhanced lipolysis effect is the first to diminish, and makes the biggest improvements when sensitivity increases. .
That's interesting. Maybe use a reset before going down to contest level lean?

What about if you just use GH for recovery and anti-aging purposes? Any need for long period off?

Do you personally think GH use is safe? My main concerns are kidney and acromegaly.

No need to waste your time explaning the IGF levels. Just curious on your short answer if you feel like it.
 
That's interesting. Maybe use a reset before going down to contest level lean?

What about if you just use GH for recovery and anti-aging purposes? Any need for long period off?

Do you personally think GH use is safe? My main concerns are kidney and acromegaly.

No need to waste your time explaning the IGF levels. Just curious on your short answer if you feel like it.
That's why I've decided to keep it at 4iu.
 
That's interesting. Maybe use a reset before going down to contest level lean?

What about if you just use GH for recovery and anti-aging purposes? Any need for long period off?

Do you personally think GH use is safe? My main concerns are kidney and acromegaly.

No need to waste your time explaning the IGF levels. Just curious on your short answer if you feel like it.

I don't compete, so really can't speak to the best strategy for it since basically, if it's not applicable to me, I'm not motivated to dig into it much.

As far as anti-aging, if you stop rHGH you're going return to baseline at some point. Skin, body composition, psychological benefits from the neurogenesis rHGH stimulates. So long term maintainance is crucial, and really, UGL pricing has finally made that realistically possible without being ultra wealthy or having. to travel for treatment by some 3rd world quack.

TLDR despite receptor downregualtion, at the same dose you eventually reach homeostasis and can maintain the gains you've made without needing a break. But without ongoing improvements, aging will continue, it's just continuing from the earlier point you "reset" your biological age to once you plateau after a year or two on whatever dose of rHGh you're using. So to counter the downregulation and plateau to push the clock back against continued age induced degeneration, you either need to increase the dose which will become unsustainable, or "reset" with breaks or Tesa.

As far as acromegaly, you just need to keep half an eye on IGF. it's clear that below a certain age adjusted IGF level there's no risk of that happening, "In range" or slightly elevated IGF and acromegaly has never been observed, It's just a question of how far you want to push it. Maybe you can go much higher than 1.2x ULN without risk? It's an unknown. But at or below it risk is effectively zero.

And in terms of cancer. People with higher IGF, but still perfectly physiological levels, have higher rates of cancer. It's logical. Higher IGF means higher cell turnover. You heal faster, you are biologically "younger", but defective cells will grow faster too. It's a mixed bag. I'd say I'll accept the risk, the level is still fairly low, along with the burden of having to be more vigilant with routine testing.

Hell, it's possible that if some future study looks at long term, sophisticated, informed anti-aging rHGH users, as a group, if they're more diligent about tests you should be doing anyway, it's possible the mortality rate from cancer might end up being LOWER, just because it's caught earlier in that group. (as long as it's not some inoperable very rare type).

In the treatment guidelines, no one is barred from rHGH if they had cancer previously or a family history of it or whatever higher risk factors. rHGH is only *paused* until they are in remission, then it can be started again, The greater cancer surveillance rHGH patients get as standard part of therapy might explain why cancer deaths are often *lower* in that group than non rHGH users.
 
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