Kratom

[ergomaniac]

Stay away from most gas station Kratom. Find a good online source and read the reviews. A particular brand, OPMS I'm sure has been adulterated with a bath salt type substance acting like speed. Stay away! It comes in a silver or gold version.
The red maeng dai is my favorite for its calming effects, it just takes so much to feel anything. Close to 10 grams. Concentrated drops are a good alternative, and capsules if you want to take 10 of them. All this on an empty stomach. It will curb opiate cravings,yet after several weeks you will experience similar withdrawls.

Kratom is illegal in most countries they are produced in and several states in the us. You never know what's in it. The greener the color the fresher the product. STAY AWAY FROM O.P.M.S.

10g is a lot.
I've never had calming effects.

 

[BigDaddyV]

OPM's are fine. Powder or capsules. There's no "bath salts" in it lol. Just watch out for concentrates.

Are you referring to things like the liquid kratom that’s supposedly a high concentration?
Do those contain other substances? I’ve never tried them

 

[BigDaddyV]

Shit, i am taking the opms....i did notice it was much much more stimulating then other kinds i tried...

but how do they sell so much of it online too then?

I’m not saying he doesn’t know what he’s talking about but if he doesn’t have any sort of proof I’d assume it’s fine.
Bath salts are illegal and that’ll get a legitimate company shut down quick.
he also said he takes 10 grams which would make me feel like I was on speed if it was an energizing strain.
I mean, he could be right but I sort of doubt it. I’ve heard of O-DesmethylTramadol being in some kratom a but that’s a legal RC

 

[ergomaniac]

Are you referring to things like the liquid kratom that’s supposedly a high concentration?
Do those contain other substances? I’ve never tried them

It could be a liquid. I've only tried powders labeled like 5X or 10X. They don't contain other substances, its just more difficult to dose accurately until you try it. I liked the concentrates. I had one that mixed in well with a cup of coffee.

 

[BobbySweeney]

What's the absolute best Kratom for getting high like oxy it pain killers? Do the have a super strain or concentrate of Kratom out yet that even comes close to getting you high/super mellow?

 

[BigDaddyV]

What's the absolute best Kratom for getting high like oxy it pain killers? Do the have a super strain or concentrate of Kratom out yet that even comes close to getting you high/super mellow?

IME the closest to an opiate like high comes from reds. You’ll need a dose of like 8-10 grams.
Nothing will get you high like oxy but oxy. Higher dose reds do feel like an opiate though. Sadly my friend there’s no cheap alternative to pain killers lol

 

[Whopperflopper]

What makes you say this, but i will be stopping 100% then.

Ime, opms kratom was much more stimulating than others I have tried. Searching reviews online showed others felt the same. Do I have proof there is something else in it? No. Try a couple different ones and see how they make you feel.
Many a designer chemical is legal at first, before being banned. Remember fake weed ? Spice?

 

[BobbySweeney]

Ime, opms kratom was much more stimulating than others I have tried. Searching reviews online showed others felt the same. Do I have proof there is something else in it? No. Try a couple different ones and see how they make you feel.
Many a designer chemical is legal at first, before being banned. Remember fake weed ? Spice?

OPMS is what my googling and reading came up with too.

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[jJjburton]

Have been off kratom for 5 days, but my restless leg has come so badly. I am withdrawing at all but my restless leg is horrible. Its up through my arms. I upped my vitamins but am going to take a low dose kratom today so it stops. Then i have an appointment with doctore so maybe then can temporarily help. This is the worst its ever been.

going to try iron, i tried marijuana, i tried wine, i tried melatonin, i tried so much but it just makes it worse.

i am going to run to see if that helps.

Can anybody help?

 

[Whopperflopper]

I wouldnt mention the kratom use to my Doc. Sorry your feeling bad, stay hydrated. You feeling withdrawls from kratom? I know some cycle it, like 2 weeks on 2 off. Definitely helps with opiate withdrawal, just dont get hooked.

 

[Gymjitsu]

Have been off kratom for 5 days, but my restless leg has come so badly. I am withdrawing at all but my restless leg is horrible. Its up through my arms. I upped my vitamins but am going to take a low dose kratom today so it stops. Then i have an appointment with doctore so maybe then can temporarily help. This is the worst its ever been.

going to try iron, i tried marijuana, i tried wine, i tried melatonin, i tried so much but it just makes it worse.

i am going to run to see if that helps.

Can anybody help?

Sorry to hear you're having problems sleeping, brother. I have restless leg every now and then but it's never been that severe. I usually take a couple good dabs and some melatonin before bed. Wish I could offer better advice

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I just took some for the first time the other day. Idk if it was because of it being bunk or what. I took prob like 10g (i kept taking more because I didnt feel anything) and felt good for a little while then felt like I was gonna throw up and got drowsy. Like when you have too much nicotine at once.

 

[jJjburton]

I wouldnt mention the kratom use to my Doc. Sorry your feeling bad, stay hydrated. You feeling withdrawls from kratom? I know some cycle it, like 2 weeks on 2 off. Definitely helps with opiate withdrawal, just dont get hooked.

No i would never. I had cold sweats for 1 day and was fine. Besides RLS. Which i get so easy from anything.

 

[Whopperflopper]

I know seroquel is prescribed for restless leg. I would tough it out for awhile unless it really is bothering you, then see the doc.

 

[BobbySweeney]

I have prescription pills for this, 8 of them. They are non-narcotic.

 

[MFAAS]

Has anyone used this as a performance booster?

low doses for energy effect?

Does it cause withdrawals when used for 1-3 days straight?

can it mess up muscle growth?

A friend of mine heard when on tren, at just 3-4 grams, it will eliminate all sides of tren. Like aggression, and night sweats. But then you can kill workouts in the gym. Only using it occasionally, and low dose only 1x a day.

Kratom can give energy but that would be the only benefit to a workout. Primary mechanism if action is opioid, thus it will suppress your endocrine system pretty heavily. There was one crappy study people point to that said kratom tea drinkers were still in the "normal range" for test levels...well we all know the normal range is bullshit and you can have the T levels of a 70 year old man and still be "normal."

It is also an anti-inflammatory, so it will inhibit exercise adaptation to some degree, similar to other anti-inflammatories like advil, aspirin, etc.

Lastly it is quite addictive (I know from personal experience). Withdrawals are nowhere near as bad as other opioids, but it is not benign. Nothing hurts performance like being in withdrawals lol...the lethargy, body aches, restlessness, loss of appetite, depression and anxiety, not to mention the sexual performance suffers too as you cant hold your load for longer than 2 seconds!

Kratom is definitely something to avoid. If you can chip and do it for fun every once in a while then great, but many people simply can't. I would say don't push your luck and try to find out. Just keep lifting and there are PLENTY of other real PEDs to use.

Edit: if you take it for 3 days then no, you won't be dependent on it and have WDs. You could start forming the seed of an addiction though.

 

[jJjburton]

What is it you have

I have prescription pills for this, 8 of them. They are non-narcotic.

I have heard, prami, rospinole, gabapentin, pregabalin, cholondine, and benzos help.

unfortunaly i cant take benzos i am extremely addicted to them at one point in my life and anytime i take one i end up taking 3 and do horrible things. So that is just not an option.

like this kratom i was up to 20 grams a day for month then i stopped as i just hate being dependent on anything.

Cold sweats for a day that was it. Luckily i stopped.

i have an addictive personality to everything.

 

[jJjburton]

I know seroquel is prescribed for restless leg. I would tough it out for awhile unless it really is bothering you, then see the doc.

I heard seroquel can make it worse? Along with benadryl.

i tried to tough it out but it was to terrible. I have toughes it out before but it was in my whole body.

when i exercise, do yoga, and run it helps tremendously.

so i will be doing this tomorrow.

i would not be able to tolerate this feeling for longer then 3 days.

i can handle any other withdrawal symptoms but restless legs are the worst.

but i get RLS when i dont workout, when i take benadryl, if i drink wine, so many things cause it so i cant do those things.

i can also handle it when its just in my legs but when its in my body and arms and legs. Its just to much. And its not just at night but throughout the day if i even just sit down.

so hoping the doctor will help at least for the first 2 weeks.

or i i can do something like 3 days of RLS then 1 day of a break where i would take something.

also if i knew it would he gone in 7 days i would tough it out. But it lasts a good 2 months.

dammit!

 

[jJjburton]

Ok good

Kratom can give energy but that would be the only benefit to a workout. Primary mechanism if action is opioid, thus it will suppress your endocrine system pretty heavily. There was one crappy study people point to that said kratom tea drinkers were still in the "normal range" for test levels...well we all know the normal range is bullshit and you can have the T levels of a 70 year old man and still be "normal."

It is also an anti-inflammatory, so it will inhibit exercise adaptation to some degree, similar to other anti-inflammatories like advil, aspirin, etc.

Lastly it is quite addictive (I know from personal experience). Withdrawals are nowhere near as bad as other opioids, but it is not benign. Nothing hurts performance like being in withdrawals lol...the lethargy, body aches, restlessness, loss of appetite, depression and anxiety, not to mention the sexual performance suffers too as you cant hold your load for longer than 2 seconds!

Kratom is definitely something to avoid. If you can chip and do it for fun every once in a while then great, but many people simply can't. I would say don't push your luck and try to find out. Just keep lifting and there are PLENTY of other real PEDs to use.

Edit: if you take it for 3 days then no, you won't be dependent on it and have WDs. You could start forming the seed of an addiction though.

Good to know, i am done with it, it also causes hair loss. Will be done with it when i see doc in 2 days. When i get something to help with rls.

 

[jJjburton]

I just took some for the first time the other day. Idk if it was because of it being bunk or what. I took prob like 10g (i kept taking more because I didnt feel anything) and felt good for a little while then felt like I was gonna throw up and got drowsy. Like when you have too much nicotine at once.

Ok so the first week i took it i didnt really “feel” it. And i just got sick. But now i really feel it. Not sure why.

Also when i take a red strain i dont feel anything. reds are not worth it.

When i take a green or white. It feels like a crazy stimulant at 6-10 grams.

Just dont even start if you have an addictive personality,
But if it kratom over something like coke or benzos. Then yes kratom all the way. As it very light on withdrawals, and can take away craving for other harder stuff. Which is a godsend.