If you were a Boxer...

[aufzz]

Imagine you were a Boxer, you have no weightlimit and access to every drug possible without being drug tested, to which substances would you go for, how much would you dosage them and why chose them?

I Assume people would go for high amounts of Test and HGH, but what else is there as a Combat Sports Athlete?

 

[GuerillaPete]

500-750 test but more like 500 to keep bloating low.
500 primo for estrogen control and recovery.
200 deca, not much just for the joints,hunger and recovery if you dont like it go with 3-400 eq.
Hgh 6-8 iu as much as you can handle without having to much water retention.
2-300 Mast E to bring the water down and some added aggression.
I ran similar cycle just without the mast and with 400 test and it was great .
I was getting stronger and faster every week you can push the training hard with this stack (2-3xday) but the food and rest must be on par .

 

[Demondosage]

500mg wk test prop, starting 3 weeks out from the fight I would use 30mg/day halotestin

 

[Slowww]

EPO sounds like a fair idea as well, ostarine as well, as it is a cardio heavy sport. Maybe even EQ. I wouldn’t really consider primo being a staple because of its side effect that can cause fast twitch muscle fibers to become slow twitch. For recovery definitely BPC 157 for healing properties. There’s a lot of injuries that come out of fights & training at least in kickboxing i would assume some would happen in boxing too that you would want to try to avoid/deal with more quickly.

 

[GuerillaPete]

EPO sounds like a fair idea as well, ostarine as well, as it is a cardio heavy sport. Maybe even EQ. I wouldn’t really consider primo being a staple because of its side effect that can cause fast twitch muscle fibers to become slow twitch. For recovery definitely BPC 157 for healing properties. There’s a lot of injuries that come out of fights & training at least in kickboxing i would assume some would happen in boxing too that you would want to try to avoid/deal with more quickly.

Muay Thai guys in Thailand use 500 test with 500 primo some add low dose Deca.
This comes from guys that trained there…

 

[Slowww]

Muay Thai guys in Thailand use 500 test with 500 primo some add low dose Deca.
This comes from guys that trained there…

I’m not saying it’s not helpful or common practice, just my opinion that it’s probably not the most beneficial in terms of striking/ good for fast twitch fibers. I understand the purpose but I feel like masteron would be more beneficial because it doesn’t have that side effect despite primo being healthier.

 

[GuerillaPete]

I’m not saying it’s not helpful or common practice, just my opinion that it’s probably not the most beneficial in terms of striking/ good for fast twitch fibers. I understand the purpose but I feel like masteron would be more beneficial because it doesn’t have that side effect despite primo being healthier.

I think its more a training think .
Meaning you train your muscles in a sport specific way.
For boxing that means explosive training .
Only time when i noticed becoming slower from training is when i trained in a bodybuilding type slow reps .

 

[Slowww]

I think its more a training think .
Meaning you train your muscles in a sport specific way.
For boxing that means explosive training .
Only time when i noticed becoming slower from training is when i trained in a bodybuilding type slow reps .

I agree that training is most important for muscle fiber type, which is why a boxer wouldn’t ideally be doing many bodybuilding accessory exercises for pump Or like slow reps etc. but I remember seeing this in a different thread;

Some studies suggest (now this is very dependent upon factors besides the compound) that Primo may not be the best AAS for muscular strength or speed, if athleticism is important to the user.

Czela et al. studied Primo's effects on cardiac remodeling [2]. In this study, the findings demonstrated that Primo profoundly accelerates the transition from fast (Type II) to slow (Type I) isoform myofiber types in the case of stimulation for cardiomyoplasty. This may be partly compound-specific, but is certainly also muscle-, species-, and stimulation- specific (latissmus dorsi - a fast twitch-predominant muscle typically, sheep). It is, however, certainly evidence against Primo being an appropriate choice for strength sport; however, not a definitive finding.

It’s not definitive, but considering this I would hypothetically replace it with masteron for dealing with aromatisation instead of primobolan use unless it’s petty short term without being more certain about that side effect. I never heard about like oly weightlifters getting popped for primo either and that sport requires a lot of athleticism and explosiveness as well as legit data about doping practices .

I didn’t use PEDS when I competed in Muay Thai but if I did, I wouldn’t pick primo long term even though others might, just my 2cents.

 

[GuerillaPete]

I agree that training is most important for muscle fiber type, which is why a boxer wouldn’t ideally be doing many bodybuilding accessory exercises for pump Or like slow reps etc. but I remember seeing this in a different thread;


It’s not definitive, but considering this I would hypothetically replace it with masteron for dealing with aromatisation instead of primobolan use unless it’s petty short term without being more certain about that side effect. I never heard about like oly weightlifters getting popped for primo either and that sport requires a lot of athleticism and explosiveness as well as legit data about doping practices .

I didn’t use PEDS when I competed in Muay Thai but if I did, I wouldn’t pick primo long term even though others might, just my 2cents.

Cool i get what you are saying the thing is i used this stack and so did others i know so what i say is fact!
Also methenolone(primo ) was used in the second version of the duchess cocktail given to Russian athletes competing at the Olympics.
I think if primo would have been a hindering compound they could have skipped it or taken proviron that is similar to masteron.
I have nothing more to add to the subject so i'm out.

 

[Megadick3000]

Muay Thai guys in Thailand use 500 test with 500 primo some add low dose Deca.
This comes from guys that trained there…

I was in Kuala Lumpur the other day and i check into my hotel, its full of Muay Thai guys in the lobby. Turns out the world championship youth Muay Thai compeition was happening at the hotels convention center and the hotels filled with teams from all around the world. I went to the pool and some of these kids (all teens and younger) show up at the pool to swim, they are all ripped to the core. I was very impressed by these kids physiques, seriously impressive to the point i wonder if some of them had ran cycles or if their training regimen was just insane. I know little about martial arts training regimens but these kids had better physiques than 99% of juicers ive seen on forums.

I concluded it was a bad time to get drunk at the hotel bar and pick a fight with a random person nearby.

 

[GuerillaPete]

I was in Kuala Lumpur the other day and i check into my hotel, its full of Muay Thai guys in the lobby. Turns out the world championship youth Muay Thai compeition was happening at the hotels convention center and the hotels filled with teams from all around the world. I went to the pool and some of these kids (all teens and younger) show up at the pool to swim, they are all ripped to the core. I was very impressed by these kids physiques, seriously impressive to the point i wonder if some of them had ran cycles or if their training regimen was just insane. I know little about martial arts training regimens but these kids had better physiques than 99% of juicers ive seen on forums.

I concluded it was a bad time to get drunk at the hotel bar and pick a fight with a random person nearby.

They have a good screening process.
Week genetics and injury prone kids fall out of the circuit fairly quickly .
Only the genetic elite make it to become fighters so what you see is a selection of elite genetics.
They train hard and guys that are weak or don't have strong bones/muscle find out quickly that the sport is not for them .

 

[JesterBOB]

500-750 test but more like 500 to keep bloating low.
500 primo for estrogen control and recovery.
200 deca, not much just for the joints,hunger and recovery if you dont like it go with 3-400 eq.
Hgh 6-8 iu as much as you can handle without having to much water retention.
2-300 Mast E to bring the water down and some added aggression.
I ran similar cycle just without the mast and with 400 test and it was great .
I was getting stronger and faster every week you can push the training hard with this stack (2-3xday) but the food and rest must be on par .

And long testosterone and deca do not lead to loss of speed and lack of endurance?

 

[GuerillaPete]

And long testosterone and deca do not lead to loss of speed and lack of endurance?

I was gaining speed and endurance every week even after training for a long time before this.
And what would long or short ester have to do with it ?
I think any PED you take and do specific training you become better at the given task.
Sprinters become faster , endurance runners gain endurance , strong man get stronger …
Its not the ped its the training .
Ped selection in this case is to avoid side effects but still get good results.
If you feel like shit its hard to train 3x a day , if you have water retention its hard to train so no side effects is the most important part.

 

[JesterBOB]

I was gaining speed and endurance every week even after training for a long time before this.
And what would long or short ester have to do with it ?
I think any PED you take and do specific training you become better at the given task.
Sprinters become faster , endurance runners gain endurance , strong man get stronger …
Its not the ped its the training .
Ped selection in this case is to avoid side effects but still get good results.
If you feel like shit its hard to train 3x a day , if you have water retention its hard to train so no side effects is the most important part.

Now I understand, thanks for the explanation.

 

[GuerillaPete]

For those interested in what substances athletes where busted with here is a list :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics

Nandrolone winstrol and primo seem to be the most common ones .

 

[aufzz]

i dont really understand why everyone uses primo, but then again i dont know anything about primo at all, never tried it etc

 

[Megadick3000]

For those interested in what substances athletes where busted with here is a list :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics

Nandrolone winstrol and primo seem to be the most common ones .

I was unfamiliar with this “Biological Passport” shit, first i heard of it reading your link (case #2 was busted for biological passport anomalies).

This biological passport is what exactly, a pre-established “natural” range of various blood and hormone markers for a given athlete and if at any piint in testing their markers are outside this individually established reference range they are assumed to have doped in an undetectable manner (as identifiable metabolites is concerned)?? Is this a correct understanding of the concept?

 

[1tank1]

I was gaining speed and endurance every week even after training for a long time before this.
And what would long or short ester have to do with it ?
I think any PED you take and do specific training you become better at the given task.
Sprinters become faster , endurance runners gain endurance , strong man get stronger …
Its not the ped its the training .
Ped selection in this case is to avoid side effects but still get good results.
If you feel like shit its hard to train 3x a day , if you have water retention its hard to train so no side effects is the most important part.

Good post.

I won't give any input to the topic though coz the OP wants to hear random opinions from guys/steroid users who are not boxers instead of hearing truth from guys that actually boxed.

Same applies to athletics and I know more about both disciplines than I do about pro bodybuilding or being an internet forum muscle/steroid guru....

 

[GuerillaPete]

I was unfamiliar with this “Biological Passport” shit, first i heard of it reading your link (case #2 was busted for biological passport anomalies).

This biological passport is what exactly, a pre-established “natural” range of various blood and hormone markers for a given athlete and if at any piint in testing their markers are outside this individually established reference range they are assumed to have doped in an undetectable manner (as identifiable metabolites is concerned)?? Is this a correct understanding of the concept?

Yes something along those lines .

 

[GuerillaPete]

Good post.

I won't give any input to the topic though coz the OP wants to hear random opinions from guys/steroid users who are not boxers instead of hearing truth from guys that actually boxed.

Same applies to athletics and I know more about both disciplines than I do about pro bodybuilding or being an internet forum muscle/steroid guru....

Biggest factor is if they drug test or not .