[HPLC/MS] AP Test E + NPP

Jack, before you drop your current DR for UGL gear, why don't you hit him up for some gear from someone other than the APS pharmacy. See how your blood look 48 hours after pinning watson.
There are bound to be some variables from person to person, but you can see how you respond to a different lab and take those numbers to the bank.

It has nothing to do with the pharmacy or quality of my test (I do beleive it is accurately dosed). It has everything to do with the price.

I first tried going though regular physicians via the insurance route but it was to no avail. When you are jacked and tan and you walk into a docors office seeking testosterone, it doesn't go so well :(
 
I'm aware of that but what has not been made clear is WHAT TT compound was used in this particular process. That's important bc the type of ester does make a difference in peak TT levels.
Absolutely correct my friend.

mands
 
Great then locate the evidence to refute his (Scally's) assertions bc one thing is clear your clinical exposure is ZIPPO and your comparing apples to oranges in this discussion.

And the fact you have no earthly idea what I'm referring to, is truly telling, lol!
Stating from my very first post in this thread I said my "evidence" is based on observation. I posted my bloods right here that rufutes his observations. That is objective data. I beleive that he himself called it a loose guideline ...maybe he didn't use those word), but he clearly said it was based on observation. It isn't "clinical". I am not sure where you are getting that from.
 
Tons of people on TRT are using a compounding pharmacy. This is nothing new.

Can APS be under dosed? Perhaps but I highgly doubt it. One thing I have noted is my blood work is consistently the same, so if they are under dosing they are consistent about it. that doesn't explain my friend using the SAME pharmacy who gets consistent values near 1600-1800.

Hopefully you can find a source with decent gear. Them administer 6-800 mg a week of test e. Get bloodwork done again and then compare & share your results between ugl # and pharma #

? If your numbers come back higher than 5×-6× what will you say then?
 
Hopefully you can find a source with decent gear. Them administer 6-800 mg a week of test e. Get bloodwork done again and then compare & share your results between ugl # and pharma #

? If your numbers come back higher than 5×-6× what will you say then?
Than I would conclude APS was underdosed.

BUT, that has not been my experience yet. I blasted with a UGL and it is similar- blasting on 700 mg/wk (200 cyp from APS + 500 CYP from UGL) and got 3300's (near dose x5). Tested another UGL and got 2300's. there I can conclude that UGL was under dosed (yes I posted that data to the sources board they were on- TSC).
 
I'm aware of that but what has not been made clear is WHAT TT compound was used in this particular process. That's important bc the type of ester does make a difference in peak TT levels.

This fella is refuting the value of peak TT levels obtained around 50 hours when the transition to steady state levels is commencing AND on top of that he was also taking an AI and HCG.

The fact the TRT studies I'm referring to included those patients on TT alone and NOT an AI and HCG make his argument absolutely mute and fool hearty!

It is test cyp.

So the fact that I am on an AI and HCG make my argument invalid, but isn't that what everyone is doing who is running a cycle? At least the AI. So you can use those studes to prove UGL xx is under dosed even though those people are using an AI and HCG but for me it is moot? Strong bias is strong "doctor".
 
Than I would conclude APS was underdosed.

BUT, that has not been my experience yet. I blasted with a UGL and it is similar- blasting on 700 mg/wk (200 cyp from APS + 500 CYP from UGL) and got 3300's (near dose x5). Tested another UGL and got 2300's. there I can conclude that UGL was under dosed (yes I posted that data to the sources board they were on- TSC).

Will you also be using a SERM, AI and HCG, lol. One things for sure naysayers like you only enter Meso to stir the pot and a waste of time, IME
 
@jackmeoff1 there's nothing you can do to convince those who dont believe, as you said- they'll find any excuse to discredit you. just state the facts and evidence and let everyone decide.

@Dr JIM can you provide that clinical study? brother @Burrr has claimed there is no clinical study and rather it is based off observation. if this is true then clinical study /= observations of one trt doctor. if this if is false, please provide the clinical study- like i said the burden of proof is on you, not me.
 
So since you all want to question Dr. Scally then why not ask him yourself.
@Michael Scally MD
If he doesn't show up here you can always shoot him a PM. He comes on here quit a bit and although he has been asked this a thousand times I'm sure he will not hesitate to educate you all in his experiences.
@Burrr I know you have issues with Jim but I'm surprised you would question Scally.
The 7-10x is what he has seen with his patients the majority of the time. Why is that so hard to believe?
 
I'm not questioning DR Scally, I think his observations are legit. I'm just calling bullshit on Jimmy and his "clinical studies"
I've always managed to get 8.2x out of twice weekly pins. I'm sure I'd get 10x out of once a week pins.
 
So since you all want to question Dr. Scally then why not ask him yourself.
@Michael Scally MD
If he doesn't show up here you can always shoot him a PM. He comes on here quit a bit and although he has been asked this a thousand times I'm sure he will not hesitate to educate you all in his experiences.
@Burrr I know you have issues with Jim but I'm surprised you would question Scally.
The 7-10x is what he has seen with his patients the majority of the time. Why is that so hard to believe?

i think i already @ him but your @ might be more effective lol.

it's not an question of @Burrr having issues with jim or scally. brother burrr and i think are one the same page. Dr.jim claims there are clinical studies, if there are please provide them. if these clinical studies refer to Scally's observations then no those are not clinical studies. clinical studies are methodical, are peer reviewed and involve many researchers- not just one trt doc. no disrespect to Scally, but his observations come no where close to the true definition of clinical studies. he could be the head doc at harvard for all i care, but without minimum peer reviews it is not a clinical study
 
I'm not questioning DR Scally, I think his observations are legit. I'm just calling bullshit on Jimmy and his "clinical studies"
I've always managed to get 8.2x out of twice weekly pins. I'm sure I'd get 10x out of once a week pins.

Great another baseless Burr anecdote, have you work to do as Angus's secretary Burr.

Have you seen any more studies on Resperidol for treating ADD Burr, lol.

The only thing that precedes you is your own stupidity CLOWN!
 
@jackmeoff1 there's nothing you can do to convince those who dont believe, as you said- they'll find any excuse to discredit you. just state the facts and evidence and let everyone decide.

@Dr JIM can you provide that clinical study? brother @Burrr has claimed there is no clinical study and rather it is based off observation. if this is true then clinical study /= observations of one trt doctor. if this if is false, please provide the clinical study- like i said the burden of proof is on you, not me.

As who? Someone whom admits to "knowing nothing". Right, lol!
 

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