A "doctor', "pharmacist", "paramedic", "nurse" and Burrs butt boy by the name of CONTAGION NO DOUBT!
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A "doctor', "pharmacist", "paramedic", "nurse" and Burrs butt boy by the name of CONTAGION NO DOUBT!
JIm, if there was a study that showed peak values on test cyp or ent reaching 10x you would have posted it.
I posted the link to the study Scally showed us, with the nadir values 7 days after pin, with numbers around 4.5x
If you take a 5-7-day half life in to account, then yea, we can figure peak values should be around 10x.
That's the study we have to work with. If you know of another one that tracks peak TT levels, just post the link.
I posted the link to the study Scally showed us, with the nadir values 7 days after pin, with numbers around 4.5x
If you take a 5-7-day half life in to account, then yea, we can figure peak values should be around 10x.
That's the study we have to work with. If you know of another one that tracks peak TT levels, just post the link.
I_know_nothing
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@Dr JIM if you want to talk science, let's talk science. i would love your insight, but just saying "google' over and over again isnt doing anything for me.
brother @Burrr i suggest you stop engaging Dr. Jim with his petty namecalling. this lab testing, if you guys have a feud take it elsewhere. we're here to discuss AAS shit.
@johnnyBALLZ this is the lat time i will address this issue- doesnt matter who i am. all that matters is what i have to contribute. im not here to talk about previous handles and such, that's petty shit that's overrunning this board. let's stick to AAS.
brother @Burrr i suggest you stop engaging Dr. Jim with his petty namecalling. this lab testing, if you guys have a feud take it elsewhere. we're here to discuss AAS shit.
@johnnyBALLZ this is the lat time i will address this issue- doesnt matter who i am. all that matters is what i have to contribute. im not here to talk about previous handles and such, that's petty shit that's overrunning this board. let's stick to AAS.
I_know_nothing
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brother @Burrr i have posted another study also done by S. Bhasin. please refer a few pages back- no one has even addressed this study yet.
johnnyBALLZ
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No, no.. It does matter. You're "overrunning" this forum with 75 posts in less than a day. You don't go from being a "lurker for months" to posting nearly as much as you have been in 23 hours.
If you don't answer my question I'll just keep asking over and over again like you've been annoyingly doing with Jim, emmmmkayyy?
I think you said that your bloods were done 48 hours after pinning 200mg, and got you to the 5x -6x range.
Don't you think you would have got to the 7x -10x range if you had done bloods closer to the peak level? around 24 hours seem to be peak levels.
Don't you think you would have got to the 7x -10x range if you had done bloods closer to the peak level? around 24 hours seem to be peak levels.
Anyone whom know CONTAGION KNOWS this is exactly what his distorted mind enjoys most, stirring the pot for attention! He is as SICK AS THEY COME!
Better get him some risperdal
weighted chinup
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I know Scally posted a few studies a while back that showed nadir values similar to the ones reported in the literature line up with peak values of 10x.
Even all the studies that show nadir values for certain test doses show there is a linear dose dependent relationship with serum test and dose taken, and when adjusted for peak those values will almost always return at around 10x.
So far, your contributions have been attempting to create ambiguity and confusion around issues where there isn't/wasn't any. Not to mention the fact that your posts about the importance of member unity actually have had the effect (intended?) of creating division.
I'm almost convinced that you are a source - either past, present or future - but I cannot be absolutely certain YET. Regardless, rest assured - at the rate you are going, whatever you are hiding will be exposed sooner rather than later. You WILL slip up eventually.
Boilermech
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This study has been posted several times and your right, considering the half lives this study alone proves Scally to be correct with his peak numbers. Sorry I thought you were in agreement with IKN on the numbers not being correct.
But seriously why do we need another study?
@I_know_nothing you have definitely been here before there is no doubt. Why not let everyone know who you are? Also if you want proof from a study just look at the one Burrr is talking about. The numbers from it were at 7 days after last pin so it gives evidence to Scallys comments on his experience. Dr. Jim doesn't need to prove anything.
You are going nowhere with this thread so I'm finished.
I_know_nothing
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@Boilermech how do we explain users on Bayer/Watson who don't receive 10x blood levels? are all of them dosing wrong and taking bloods wrong?
i provided another study done the exact same PI as the one you mentioned @Burrr but i couldnt find when they took the bloods. but if you look at the graphs from the second study it is clearly above the levels in the first study, so im thinking they took the bloods not at nadir levels- but when did they take them?
i provided another study done the exact same PI as the one you mentioned @Burrr but i couldnt find when they took the bloods. but if you look at the graphs from the second study it is clearly above the levels in the first study, so im thinking they took the bloods not at nadir levels- but when did they take them?
What patients are you referring to Contagion! Lets see this "exception to the rule" data you continually refer to as being something that is credible!
Do you have ANY relieble "USER" accounts of the type of TT ester used, bloods, post injection draw time, dose administered, ancillaries supplemented or their TBW just for starters. HELL NO YOU DON'T! And that's why your FOS as ALWAYS CONTAGION!
I've not kept score on it, but I know lots of guys on Dr prescribed TRT report not scoring at or near 10x. Not sure exactly when peak values occur, or how long they would stay at peak.
I don't think that one guys bloods, done at 48 hours after pin, scoring around 6x is enough to declare gear under dosed.
I don't think that one guys bloods, done at 48 hours after pin, scoring around 6x is enough to declare gear under dosed.
But it is if you're a source and you need to discredit the 10X rule in order to hide the fact that your gear is underdosed.
I_know_nothing
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which guy are you referring to burr?
@Dr JIM how do you define reliable? because we may get a case where no matter what i provide you will find a reason to discredit it. just like with @jackmeoff1 . i agree that compound pharma isnt as legit as Watson/Bayer but this is what happened:
you say he has no proof
he provides pics of bloods and vial
you say APS is shit
other users chime in saying they used compounded pharma without a problem
you say he's not taking bloods at right time
he tells you his dosing schedule
you say he's running AI, SERM, HcG
he says "isnt that what we all do?"
you say "well it depends on whether it's TC or TE"
he says its test C
you say "well exceptions dont prove anything!"
do you see my line of reasoning? no matter what if you're not open to something you're going to find reasons against it- very similar to religion
And all those factors you admit to not knowing about underscores why hearsay reports such as yours, are utterly meaningless as evidence based data!
I'll also tell you based on the multitude of TRT bloods I've reviewed a level of only SIX times is MUCH MORE LIKELY to be either UNDERDOSED GEAR or the result of those factors "you don't know about" in patients whom are on legit Ph grade TRT
which guy are you referring to burr?
@Dr JIM how do you define reliable? because we may get a case where no matter what i provide you will find a reason to discredit it. just like with @jackmeoff1 . i agree that compound pharma isnt as legit as Watson/Bayer but this is what happened:
you say he has no proof
he provides pics of bloods and vial
you say APS is shit
other users chime in saying they used compounded pharma without a problem
you say he's not taking bloods at right time
he tells you his dosing schedule
you say he's running AI, SERM, HcG
he says "isnt that what we all do?"
you say "well it depends on whether it's TC or TE"
he says its test C
you say "well exceptions dont prove anything!"
do you see my line of reasoning? no matter what if you're not open to something you're going to find reasons against it- very similar to religion
Bc the vial was not legible and did NOT reveal the contents, did it! Why are the contents not shown? And don't give me some BS story about "the name or RX number" would be visible since BOTH can be readily removed.
I never made one comment about APS except to note one fact, the TT sample IF it was TT, is a compounded product, and most certainly was NOT Watson or Bayer Pharm grade TT" as you claimed it was SEVERAL TIMES!
TRT levels are PEAK draws and the peak value begins to decline at roughly 36 hours, for T-C, so a level obtained at 50+ hours is not likely to be a PEAK DRAW FOOL, which would account for a LOWER THAN EXPECTED TT level, a duh! (Yea you can Google that one too)
-Yep he is running an AI and HCG which has no comparison in the TRT literature, regardless of what "others are doing". It's another fine example of those APPLE to ORANGE comparisons you have made throughout this thread CONTAGION
Line of reasoning WTF, you have none! But one cherry picked "example" you likely concocted to stir the pot CONTAGION!
GET LOST !
I_know_nothing
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I initially was under the assumption that he was on pharma TRT, when it came out that he was on compounded i pointed out it doesnt really mean the same thing because it's not the gold standard of Watson/Bayer.
I never used @jackmeoff1 as an example, in fact i have clearly stated that his results are invalid dude to the use of compounded test. i can provide you with all the proof of my saying this if you would prefer, please do not cherry pick what i have said and spin them in a way which does not convey my intention.
could you also please address the Bhasin et all 2012 study that i have mentioned numerous times and everyone seems to ignore that and instead point to the Bhasin et al 2001 study. which in fact i was the one to first bring up when i posted the graphic, do not make it seem as if i was not aware of that study when in fact i pointed it out first.
LMAO, I'm not addressing shit for you CONTAGION until you acknowledge your true identity and admit your agenda is absolute BULLSHIT! One thing I should remember from years past as a Meso member, ya can't reason with an idiot!
