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jackmeoff1 said:
Yes. It is a compounding pharmacy. APS pharmacy. Look them up. They are subject to FDA regulations. This was prescribed by a physician (not an internet one, like yourself)....

I will get those bloods up.
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If it's from a compounding pharmacy, all bets are off. The quality/consistency of compounded drugs is all over the place and in no way comparable to generic pharmaceuticals, much less brand name.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...y-recalls-inspections-contamination/16472741/

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/compounding.html
 
Dr JIM said:
Well that's my point really, why exactly would you use a compounding pharmacy for a product already available on the market in a pre=mixed form. Fact is about the only TT that is NOT available direct from the manufacturer is TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION, which therefore requires compounding.

How about you show the labeled Testosterone ingredients on that vial?
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That is the pharmacy the clinic uses.
 

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I_know_nothing said:
@jackmeoff1 @Dr JIM

dr. jim is right, im more interested in Watson/Bayer as they are pretty much the gold standard. do you have a script that you could show us a picture of?
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I can't take a pic of the script. There is just too much personal info on it. Even the RX number can be tracked to me so I can't risk that. In my last pic the script bottle is in the back round.

Look on first page of this. The original poster is on Watson and he indicates dose x 6-7 is common for him.
 
jackmeoff1 said:
I can't take a pic of the script. There is just too much personal info on it. Even the RX number can be tracked to me so I can't risk that. In my last pic the script bottle is in the back round.

Look on first page of this. The original poster is on Watson and he indicates dose x 6-7 is common for him.
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the issue is ive seen tons of people SAY they're on trt and SAY that their blood levels are so and so. there will be members here to will adamantly stick to the 10x rule unless posters can provide proof of script, Watson/Bayer vial, and bloods to back up their claims. even then, im sure there will be members that say "well that't the EXCEPTION, and exceptions dont prove anything against the 10x rule".

that's fine if they wanna think that, but im not convinced.
 
I_know_nothing said:
I shill for no UGL, I couldn't give a damn about any UGL as I make my own and dont trust their dosing worth shit. however, what i do stand up for is fairness in this community. we're seeing too much heckling of these UGLs when you're not treating them fairly, just an example of the 10x dosing standard you hold UGLs up to when even Watson/Bayer don't hold up.

I personally know an individual who is on TRT 200mg once a week who levels are consistently around 1100-1400, I've asked him to dig up records of bloods if he can. there are individual in this very thread who say their TT levels are 5-7x range. also, it is to my knowledge that optimal blood draws for Test C is a little longer than 24-36. that time frame seems more appropriate for a sorter ester like test P.

HPLC or not, there are several conclusions you can draw:

1. users are lying about their low TT levels from Watson/Bayer or arent actually on pharma test
2. users are telling the truth about their low TT levels from Watson/Bayer, in which case, on this forum, Watson/Bayer are underdosed
3. this forum's ideal of 10x blood levels as standard is unrealistic

which conclusion do you feel applies? @Dr JIM
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@Dr JIM if you could please address this, dont mean to call you out but i asked and was wondering what your answer is
 
If ANYTHING is to be learned from this discussion it's THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.

Ergo until all the information is KNOWN about these supposed outliers, stick with what has already been proven in CLINICAL STUDIES. The 10 TIMES RULE IS THE NORM.

One more point should be emphasized, on a physiologic, biochemical and pharmacokinetic basis most people ARE THE SAME, rather than being "different" as many naysayers claim, (and often use to refute existing literature in a self serving manner).

And what's even more important, that's the very reason evidence based studies are conducted, to determine what differences do exist between patients and to CONTROL those variables that do impact outcome.
 
Dr JIM said:
CLINICAL STUDIES. The 10 TIMES RULE IS THE NORM.
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Have there been any studies that actually support this directly? I know we've seen the one that shows the levels to be about 4x or 5x dose at the 7 day mark, the nadir value.

With twice weekly pins, a level of 8x weekly dose seems to be a pretty consistant number for legit gear.
 
I_know_nothing said:
@Dr JIM if you could please address this, dont mean to call you out but i asked and was wondering what your answer is
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Are you joking? How about this, since you clearly have NO EVIDENCE to support any of these assumptions, they are all baseless and not worthy of an evidence based response on my behalf.

Put another way, I'll leave all the conjecture TO YOU NO NOTHING!
 
I_know_nothing said:
the issue is ive seen tons of people SAY they're on trt and SAY that their blood levels are so and so. there will be members here to will adamantly stick to the 10x rule unless posters can provide proof of script, Watson/Bayer vial, and bloods to back up their claims. even then, im sure there will be members that say "well that't the EXCEPTION, and exceptions dont prove anything against the 10x rule".

that's fine if they wanna think that, but im not convinced.
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Well look at the bottle. It has a APS label right on it. The script bottle has my info plastered on it. I can slap my screen name on the bottle, or send it with a pic on my wife's tits. I took those pics mang.
 
Dr JIM said:
Are you joking? How about this, since you clearly have NO EVIDENCE to support any of these assumptions, they are all baseless and not worthy of an evidence based response on my behalf.

Put another way, I'll leave all the conjecture TO YOU NO NOTHING!
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I can easily call the 10x rule just as baseless. Which is exactly what I am saying.
 
Google APS pharmacy.

You'll see some guys are questioning the validity with possible underdosed gear. Also this pharmacy was in the news about illegal activities
 
Yea and that's bc you want to be spoon fed like your friend NN rather than learning for yourself what is or is not evidence based. I've got more important items on my agenda today than trying to convince a couple naysayers of ANYTHING!

SO ENJOY Mr no bloods, no script, compounded TT, 5-6 times noob, lol!
 
I_know_nothing said:
Dr.jim, im trying to learn, please enlighten me. Please provide me the clinical studies you are referring to.
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People learn best by doing for themselves that which is possible, so GOOGLE IT and prove your naysayer mantra is worthy of any additional effort on my or anyone else's behalf, bc otherwise I guess your SOL!
 
jackmeoff1 said:
Here is my first bloods on TRT. The script in in the pics provided above. It was from APS compounding pharmacy. The only way I can post the script is post the front of the bottle with my name and RX number on it.

These bloods were drawn 48 hours post injection.
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What was the dose, and how long had you been taking that dose?
 
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