If you are running official Hyges that you have verified thru the website you will have a consistent quality. It's still a generic but they were made under the watch of whoever oversees China's pharmaceutical productions.
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Generic causing red lumps at injection site?
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hotdog23
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Lol? Is he just collecting vials err wut
hotdog23
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Shit. .com.cn or just .cn two different websites of two different manufacturers with two diff verification systems
Who knows. Waiting on his 3rd party email. But it hasn't come yet. Why say it if your not serious...
hotdog23
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Rite? Be an awesome resource for us if he did
Damn 928, I thought I was still waiting on your reply and had actually given up!
Ok I don't recall where we were, but please forward your email again and we'll get it done fella!
GTG?
azazul
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Ok bud, my very first run with GH was about a year and a half ago, I got my hands on some generic blue tops. I had the exact same thing happen.
People told me all kinds of things that it could be. After all of my research I had come to the conclusion that it was a batch of 192 not 191.
I would suggest quit taking it.
I have done pharma and other generics since then and have had no reaction.
The premise is that your body has an immune response since 192 is not really meant for humans.
seriously, quit taking it.
On second thought bc your a literal unknown here on Meso, I will have to pass on testing your GH Senorman.
Sorry bout that.
Jim
I think certain generics are straight up garbage and others can be good. Like I previously said the last batch I' had left those lumps and these haven't. I do believe that it was broken down a bit during travel and heat. I'm actually now waiting on some more taitropin so I will know it's made by a pharma company.
Senorman
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Indeed I am. I did PM you my email in case you change your mind.
I'd like to know where this info is coming from, bc I'm not aware of any WHO approved GH manufactures?
Pericles
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Are we talking about Chinese generics? I have had the same issue. It is minor, IMO, but others get really freaked out about it, which is understandable.
Whenever ordering from China, the first thing is to run a blood serum analysis. I know, they are not the best way, but when you need info on a lot of kits, it is your only option. Eventually, IGF-1 will tell you much more.
Hypothetically, B serum comes back at 21.1, meaning you have pretty close to 10 iu's per bottle. IGF-1 came back positive. However, some people are getting welts. The next step is to run a Mass Spec looking at purity.
I got some surprising results, the GH I tsted cm back at 90% purity, pharm grade.
So what was the problem? B serum, IGF-11, Mass specs all came in good...WTF?
It was finally established that the problem was the PH level. PH was high, thus the reaction.
This was true of 1 Chinese lab. However, I bet the other 3 Chinese labs that make GH have similar issues.
What is the solution? IM injections. You should not have problems if you go IM.
However, unless you have labs, we can not be sure if it was just an issue w/ PH.
Whenever ordering from China, the first thing is to run a blood serum analysis. I know, they are not the best way, but when you need info on a lot of kits, it is your only option. Eventually, IGF-1 will tell you much more.
Hypothetically, B serum comes back at 21.1, meaning you have pretty close to 10 iu's per bottle. IGF-1 came back positive. However, some people are getting welts. The next step is to run a Mass Spec looking at purity.
I got some surprising results, the GH I tsted cm back at 90% purity, pharm grade.
So what was the problem? B serum, IGF-11, Mass specs all came in good...WTF?
It was finally established that the problem was the PH level. PH was high, thus the reaction.
This was true of 1 Chinese lab. However, I bet the other 3 Chinese labs that make GH have similar issues.
What is the solution? IM injections. You should not have problems if you go IM.
However, unless you have labs, we can not be sure if it was just an issue w/ PH.
Pericles
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DO NOT BUY GH IN THIS HEAT!!!
Yes, unreconstructed GH is fine for a couple of weeks out of the fridge, but that is at room temp.
The heat we have here will absolutely DESTROY the very delicate compound.
Yes, unreconstructed GH is fine for a couple of weeks out of the fridge, but that is at room temp.
The heat we have here will absolutely DESTROY the very delicate compound.
hotdog23
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The 192aa was approved by the FDA in the 90's. "Protropin" by Genentech was an effective and popular GH analog. About 50% of people will develop an immune response to it, it CAN lead to an autoimmune condition where your body will attack it's own GH but the majority of these antibodies that 192aa causes have low binding affinity and are not really an issue. The autoimmune condition is RARE, but possible, the 192aa can also lose potency and effectiveness because of these antibodies - though it seems it takes months for this to happen
MS is not used for purity for that you need HPLC.
Just how was the Ph determined to cause an allergic RX since a purity of "90%" leaves A LOT of error for peptide contaminants. Understand the peptides are MUCH smaller the the 22KD of GH and are easily overlooked, or referred to as "artifact" on MS.
Another important contributor MAY be the solvent being used to reconstitute the GH such as the Metacresol in Humatrope. BA is VERY unlikely to cause a reaction.
Regs
Jim
Just how was the Ph determined to cause an allergic RX since a purity of "90%" leaves A LOT of error for peptide contaminants. Understand the peptides are MUCH smaller the the 22KD of GH and are easily overlooked, or referred to as "artifact" on MS.
Another important contributor MAY be the solvent being used to reconstitute the GH such as the Metacresol in Humatrope. BA is VERY unlikely to cause a reaction.
Regs
Jim
Pericles
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Jim,
A short while back, you were the main flag carrier of the Mass specs test.
Now it is HPCL....what will it be be next week?
I gave a quick look at your HPCL argument, and it has merit.
But you need to understand this one very, very important point: Very few people selling GH have done any tests. They claim it is good if their hands get numb. NAPS has B Serum scores, but serum scores fluctuate dramatically and are not strong measures, like I said. You order some GH that has a 28 serum score and in this heat it will be useless by the time it is stateside.
In any event, getting multiple tests done is a rare event. Combining the 3 results in a good amount of evidence.
When HPCL measures become more common I will use them.
Are you running tests for board members?
If so, what would be the cost to test something I sent you? Can you do oils, like Test e, Mast, Primo?
Especially when I have guys getting great results.
A short while back, you were the main flag carrier of the Mass specs test.
Now it is HPCL....what will it be be next week?
I gave a quick look at your HPCL argument, and it has merit.
But you need to understand this one very, very important point: Very few people selling GH have done any tests. They claim it is good if their hands get numb. NAPS has B Serum scores, but serum scores fluctuate dramatically and are not strong measures, like I said. You order some GH that has a 28 serum score and in this heat it will be useless by the time it is stateside.
In any event, getting multiple tests done is a rare event. Combining the 3 results in a good amount of evidence.
When HPCL measures become more common I will use them.
Are you running tests for board members?
If so, what would be the cost to test something I sent you? Can you do oils, like Test e, Mast, Primo?
Especially when I have guys getting great results.
BS PC I've NEVER said MS defines purity, NEVER! Find the post thats supports this crap!
Others are carrying the MS/purity flag but the ACCEPTED lab standard to determine the concentration of any substance within a sample is HPLC
It's definitely not my standard but the analytical chemistry industries standard.
You think not? Fine, locate ANY registered lab that uses MS to determine purity!
And please you don't need to enlighten me about serum levels and their tendency to fluctuate.
Finally I've been on Meso quite a while so I'm actually relatively "in tune" with what mate are or are not doing.
Others are carrying the MS/purity flag but the ACCEPTED lab standard to determine the concentration of any substance within a sample is HPLC
It's definitely not my standard but the analytical chemistry industries standard.
You think not? Fine, locate ANY registered lab that uses MS to determine purity!
And please you don't need to enlighten me about serum levels and their tendency to fluctuate.
Finally I've been on Meso quite a while so I'm actually relatively "in tune" with what mate are or are not doing.
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Pericles
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Jim,
Can you run HPCL tests? If so, how much?
I have no interest in arguing about who did what, when, how etc.
I AM interested in empirical results.
Can you run labs, yes, or no?
Can you run HPCL tests? If so, how much?
I have no interest in arguing about who did what, when, how etc.
I AM interested in empirical results.
Can you run labs, yes, or no?
My interest is for you to support the garbage you just spewed about my wavering opinion PC, because if you can't why would i even think about doing business with you!
Guys we here the chins add shit to the growth to make hands numb. Is this bro-science or is there fact behind this? Also taitropin is made by a pharma company out of china. What they produce is produced under whatever the Chinese
Regulations are. So I imagine.
Regulations are. So I imagine.
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