Dutasteride from chinese vendors

[Cezar Matei]

Can anyone here share their experience with dutasteride tabs from the chinese vendors we have right now?

Those selling 100 1mg tabs

Did you find them effective and properly dosed?

 

[trenisbest]

you need softgels, tablets are shit

 

[Turkeybuilder]

If you can find avodart or gel capsule dutasteride it should be fine.

 

[Cezar Matei]

you need softgels, tablets are shit

Why shit?
How bad are they compared to softgels?

 

[Ghoul]

Why shit?
How bad are they compared to softgels?

Dutasteride is difficult to absorb, 90% of the dry powder just passes through your digestive system.

UGL dry tabs are crap because of that.

Solid tab formulation that absorb properly without the oil in gelcaps previously needed (like Avodart) have been developed but not available from US pharma companies.

Dutaheal .5 from Healing Pharma is one example.

Makes splitting doses / micro doses far easier than messing with a gelcap.

It’s very cheap and available from the India pharmaceuticals vendors here. Year’s supply is around $25 if you took it daily.

Don’t trust you hair or health to UGL tabs. One “hot” overdosed Duta tab could leave you with severe depression for months.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Don’t trust you hair or health to UGL tabs. One “hot” overdosed Duta tab could leave you with severe depression for months.

There's no real clinical evidence to support DHT inhibition causes depression or "post finasteride syndrome" including grown men with DHT levels the same as a 8 year old girl. DHT is useless after puberty.

I personally dose 1mg of dutasteride everyday and considering bumping up to 2.5mg/day but im not sure how i would get that many tablets. there is a considerable increase in benefit seen in studies, when dosing @ 2.5mg/day of dutasteride with very little to no reports in increased side effects.

 

[Ghoul]

There's no real clinical evidence to support DHT inhibition causes depression or "post finasteride syndrome" including grown men with DHT levels the same as a 8 year old girl. DHT is useless after puberty.


I personally dose 1mg of dutasteride everyday and considering bumping up to 2.5mg/day but im not sure how i would get that many tablets. there is a considerable increase in benefit seen in studies, when dosing @ 2.5mg/day of dutasteride with very little to no reports in increased side effects.

I speak as a 5-AR hyperresponder who had “post finasteride syndrome” before there was a term for it. My crushed DHT from propecia left me depressed and libidoless for weeks. Very frightening when you don’t understand the mechanism.

However, while crushed DHT levels absolutely cause those systems, just like low E2 or Test levels cause symptoms, I don’t believe in PFS as a permanent effect like the reddit fearmongers do. The residual effects are psychosomatic. This has been studied to death and I’m convinced there’s no permanent damage.

Once you stop and DHT rises again symptoms disappear.


BUT, Dutasteride’s extremely long half life means if you mistakenly drive DHT too low, like with an overdose, it takes a long time for levels to recover. What takes a few weeks at most with Finasteride, could be 2-3 months with Dutasteride.

If you’ve never used a 5-ar inhibitor, no need to be anxious, just start with a very small dose and slowly titrate. If you start to feel depressed, just back off to the dose that was ok.

With Dut 1/4 tab, 0.125mg, 2x week is safe. After 2 weeks increase to .25mg 2x, two more weeks, .50mg 2x, two more weeks then 3x. Etc.

Better yet get a baseline DHT blood test so you can monitor how low you can go and still feel good. Easy to recover from any downturn if you catch it early, and still protect your hair. I think all the unnecessary suffering and drama around these meds would be a non issue if monitoring DHT was the norm, just like monitoring Test levels is with TRT.

 

[Photon]

There's no real clinical evidence to support DHT inhibition causes depression or "post finasteride syndrome" including grown men with DHT levels the same as a 8 year old girl. DHT is useless after puberty.

I personally dose 1mg of dutasteride everyday and considering bumping up to 2.5mg/day but im not sure how i would get that many tablets. there is a considerable increase in benefit seen in studies, when dosing @ 2.5mg/day of dutasteride with very little to no reports in increased side effects.

Get multiple rx.
Send to different pharmacies.
Edit: looks like my insurance won't cover that dose even if u can get multiple Rx lol. Check that first..

Or India pharma.

 

[Turkeybuilder]

Get multiple rx.
Send to different pharmacies.
Edit: looks like my insurance won't cover that dose even if u can get multiple Rx lol. Check that first..

Or India pharma.

Considering india pharma but something tells me relying on getting my dutasteride from somewhere that I can’t know for certain is dutasteride, even if the box says avodart, is a bad idea.

I speak as a 5-AR hyperresponder who had “post finasteride syndrome” before there was a term for it. My crushed DHT from propecia left me depressed and libidoless for weeks. Very frightening when you don’t understand the mechanism.

However, while crushed DHT levels absolutely cause those systems, just like low E2 or Test levels cause symptoms, I don’t believe in PFS as a permanent effect like the reddit fearmongers do. The residual effects are psychosomatic. This has been studied to death and I’m convinced there’s no permanent damage.

Once you stop and DHT rises again symptoms disappear.


BUT, Dutasteride’s extremely long half life means if you mistakenly drive DHT too low, like with an overdose, it takes a long time for levels to recover. What takes a few weeks at most with Finasteride, could be 2-3 months with Dutasteride.

If you’ve never used a 5-ar inhibitor, no need to be anxious, just start with a very small dose and slowly titrate. If you start to feel depressed, just back off to the dose that was ok.

With Dut 1/4 tab, 0.125mg, 2x week is safe. After 2 weeks increase to .25mg 2x, two more weeks, .50mg 2x, two more weeks then 3x. Etc.

Better yet get a baseline DHT blood test so you can monitor how low you can go and still feel good. Easy to recover from any downturn if you catch it early, and still protect your hair. I think all the unnecessary suffering and drama around these meds would be a non issue if monitoring DHT was the norm, just like monitoring Test levels is with TRT.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this topic. I don’t doubt you had unfavorable side effects and loss of libido / possibly depression. But i’m too stuck on science to believe that it was caused by DHT inhibition. There are no studies supporting this outside of anecdotal claims

 

[Ghoul]

Considering india pharma but something tells me relying on getting my dutasteride from somewhere that I can’t know for certain is dutasteride, even if the box says avodart, is a bad idea.


We’ll have to agree to disagree on this topic. I don’t doubt you had unfavorable side effects and loss of libido / possibly depression. But i’m too stuck on science to believe that it was caused by DHT inhibition. There are no studies supporting this outside of anecdotal claims

We’re on the same basic side here. Fear of these meds is overblown, and particularly, the concern over “breaking something” is nonsense. Worst case scenario, stopping the med ends any problems, except for going bald.

The symptoms aren’t in question. They’re listed on the FDA labels because blind, random clinical trials, the highest standard of evidence, show they clearly happen more on these meds than on placebo.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2012/020788s020s021s023lbl.pdf

They’re a well known “class effect” impacting a small number of users.

What’s controversial is the “permanence” PFS advocates claim, which isn’t backed up by science. When the meds are stopped, symptoms resolve.


EDIT: to be clear, when I say a small number of men are affected, I mean small. under 1%.

The vast majority will never experience it, and of those who do, the symptoms actually go away for most if they continue using them for the long term, so it appears the body compensates for whatever it is that causes it. (The theory being some neurosteroid, not DHT itself, hits levels that induce the loss of libido / motivation. 5-Ar not only converts test to DHT, but into a bunch of other minor androgens)

 

[Turkeybuilder]

We’re on the same basic side here. Fear of these meds is overblown, and particularly, the concern over “breaking something” is nonsense. Worst case scenario, stopping the med ends any problems, except for going bald.

The symptoms aren’t in question. They’re listed on the FDA labels because blind, random clinical trials, the highest standard of evidence, show they clearly happen more on these meds than on placebo.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2012/020788s020s021s023lbl.pdf

They’re a well known “class effect” impacting a small number of users.

What’s controversial is the “permanence” PFS advocates claim, which isn’t backed up by science. When the meds are stopped, symptoms resolve.


EDIT: to be clear, when I say a small number of men are affected, I mean small. under 1%.

The vast majority will never experience it, and of those who do, the symptoms actually go away for most of they continue using them for the long term, so it appears the body compensates for whatever it is that causes it. (The theory being some neurosteroid, not DHT itself, hits levels that induce the loss of libido / motivation. 5-Ar not only converts test to DHT, but into a bunch of other minor androgens)

Have you heard of haircafe on youtube? He does a pretty deep dive on this topic with a bunch of studies and science. Pretty interesting videos if you’re bored and got nothing else to watch. He has a bunch of playlists on his channel so you don’t have to skim through every single video.

But I do think we are agreeing to the same points here

 

[Cezar Matei]

I already want to do the 2.5mg daily dose so im wondering if taking the chinese dry tabs with a fatty meal/mct oil would work effectively

 

[trenisbest]

I already want to do the 2.5mg daily dose so im wondering if taking the chinese dry tabs with a fatty meal/mct oil would work effectively

2.5mg is great. no point using less unless you are financially troubled or something, been on it for 7 months + now no sides just better hair. i take softgels

 

[Turkeybuilder]

2.5mg is great. no point using less unless you are financially troubled or something, been on it for 7 months + now no sides just better hair. i take softgels

Where do you get your dutasteride from?
I use Dr. B for one prescription but having a hard time finding competitive pricing elsewhere. not trying to pay 60$ for 1 month lol

 

[SlamSumTest]

Duta gel caps sold out on this Indian pharma source I usually go to, rip

Why’s this so hard to get in the states? I got finasteride in 2 minutes with hims

 

[Cezar Matei]

2.5mg is great. no point using less unless you are financially troubled or something, been on it for 7 months + now no sides just better hair. i take softgels

Do you think taking 2.5mg dut tabs from chinese with some mct oil will work for absorption?

 

[PulseZZ]

Duta gel caps sold out on this Indian pharma source I usually go to, rip

Why’s this so hard to get in the states? I got finasteride in 2 minutes with hims

hims?

 

[SlamSumTest]

hims?

yeah it is an online tele clinic in the US.

 

[Photon]

Do you guys change your dut dose depending on cruise vs blast?

 

[trenisbest]

Do you think taking 2.5mg dut tabs from chinese with some mct oil will work for absorption?

i think it will defo improve absorption yes.

Where do you get your dutasteride from?
I use Dr. B for one prescription but having a hard time finding competitive pricing elsewhere. not trying to pay 60$ for 1 month lol

i bulk bought Dr. Ba from indiamart. i figured if its a medication that im going to have to continue using forever if i want to maintain hair then i may as well get the most i can for the cheapest. honestly forgot how much i played but the discounts you can get if you find a good dealer on indiamart are great.