ANYONE RENT Micheal Moores 9/11 movie?

[Bob Smith]

First, learn how to quote so people know what you are responding to.

Secondly, how do you make decisions in life? You look at the available information and then choose the best option. You cant make decisions about information that you dont have and doesnt exist at the time when all available information is examined. What is so difficult to understand about that? Unless you can fortell the future, you make decisions like everyone else following these basic premises.

Third, about the cop shooting, we can make Mark Kerr or Big Karch (Both lawyers or law students) come on and name a few instances where cops have shot an unarmed person suspected of a crime and the cops were acquitted of any wrongdoing.

 

[Kayz]

thats an easy answer. because he didnt have them. if he did have them and we attacked then we would not have guessed........

So your solution is that we need to dismiss all the intelligence we gather from various sources around the world....and spend a bunch of time "confirming" the unconfirmable (because saddam sure has hell will not tell you straight up and he has kicked the UN inspectors out of his country repeatedly).

What would happen if while we were "confirming" this info., an atomic bomb was detonated in the states because we did not act in time???

 

[Kayz]

First, learn how to quote so people know what you are responding to.

Secondly, how do you make decisions in life? You look at the available information and then choose the best option. You cant make decisions about information that you dont have and doesnt exist at the time when all available information is examined. What is so difficult to understand about that? Unless you can fortell the future, you make decisions like everyone else following these basic premises.

Third, about the cop shooting, we can make Mark Kerr or Big Karch (Both lawyers or law students) come on and name a few instances where cops have shot an unarmed person suspected of a crime and the cops were acquitted of any wrongdoing.

I'm not a lawyer, but I'll give you an example right now. About 2 years ago, a white cop shot a black teenager in Cincinnati. The cop was responding to a call regarding the suspect....all the cop knew was that the kid had like 5 warrants for his arrest and had been in and out of jail his whole life.

The kid takes off running and leads the cop down a dark alley in a very very bad neighborhood. The kid was cornered so he puts his hands in his pocket and motions that he has a gun. The cop tells him to take his hands out of his pockets slowly. When the kid jerks real fast, the cop shoots him dead.

The cop was acquitted....and moved to another district about 30 miles away and returned to being a cop.

 

[Alphamale23]

1.i dont know what u are talking about with me quoting people.
2.i am man enough to to admit to making a mistake. i backed the war at first but then i got information and changed my mind. and i think that out of the two of us your thought process is screwed up. i dont think that it is OK to go to war without knowing FOR SURE. and dont make stupid micky mouse analogies of my words, we are talking about the war here.
3. of course there is going to exceptions to the rule when it comes to court cases. do u want a medal for finding that out? its common knowledge. i asked an actual police officer and he told me. its that simple. sure cochran might be able to get him off in court...again what is your point?

 

[Quasimoto]

Why the F did this thread get turned into a cop shooting someone thread fellas? I thought it was about f 9/11 ?

 

[Alphamale23]

ok how about this.....lets just say that it is circumstancial. it could be interpreted by different courts and different investigators to go either way. is that OK?

 

[Alphamale23]

it is a waste of time to speculate as to what every judge/jury would say. we dont even have a totally clear definition of what happened. to be quite honest, this entire part of the thread is a huge waste of time

 

[jbiggs]

Why the F did this thread get turned into a cop shooting someone thread fellas? I thought it was about f 9/11 ?

They're still pissing in the wind!

 

[mus315]

I just posted a thread about this last night at SE. I cant believe i spent my money to help that bastard bash bush. I thought it was about 911.

 

[jbiggs]

i can tell you with absolute confidence that i am right in this shooting case. i have family members that are lawyers and would be glad to call them and ask for a second opinion but then of course i would be called a liar.
if someone else wants to call a lawyer and tell him exactly this story and get his opinion more power to you.

No need to call a lawyer, by the way your "NY State Trooper friend" must be a piss poor officer, I'll just quote NY Penal Law 35.15: JUSTIFICATION: USE OF DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE IN DEFENSE OF A PERSON

Under our law, a person may use deadly physical force upon another individual when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes it to be necessary to defend himself/herself [or someoneelse] from what he/she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of [unlawful2] deadly physical force by such individual.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...rson.pdf+NY+police+statute+deadly+force&hl=en

 

[Alphamale23]

wow congrats on finding the law i already knew existed and read. so what u are saying is that a cop can just blow someone away as long as he feels threatened? come on man....use your head. that law and every law is open to interpretation i thought i already went over this. READ THE THREAD.
and dont second guess what an actual cop said. he knows what the fuck he is talking about. it is completely circumstantial! why is that so hard for you to get? One court may say guilty, the next might say not guilty. i should forward my friend this thread so he can laugh at all the know-it-alls on policing. and it is true i DONT know it all....which is why i called and asked. but hey...hes just a state sheriff u know better right biggs?

 

[Alphamale23]

ps. you might want to keep reading:

"Thus, under our law of justification, it is not sufficient that the defendant honestly believed in his own mind that he was faced with defending himself/herself [or someone else] against the use or imminent use of deadly physical force. An honest belief, no matter how genuine or sincere, may yet be unreasonable".
there is much, much more. for someone who accused me falsely for not reading an article before....it seems we now know who indeed did not do the reading.

notice the word MAY. not IS. it is open to interpretation by the court and investigators.

 

[Alphamale23]

i didnt mean any offense to you in that thread and i appreciate you posting the actual law....makes me wonder why i didnt do the same. dont mean to flame if it came off that way

 

[deeznuts1972]

Check these out instead

Check out Celsius 41.11 and Michael Moore Hates America. These are bothe excellent and show a different view that the extremely biased Moore.

 

[jbiggs]

oh and by the way...i happen to know a little bit about law enforcement frosty. if a criminal "pretends" to pull out a gun (actually not having any gun in his hand) and the cop shoots him it IS the cops fault. WOW again...keep trying with the examples tho

Not gonna beat a dead horse anymore but in the case you started with, Deadly Force would be authorized. It would be a shame that it happened, but that isn't something you pretend to do.

No offense taken..just trying to proove a point as were you.

 

[Alphamale23]

again...u are not in a position to say if it would or wouldnt be. it would be open to interpretation because im sure we both imagine the situation happening quite differently.

 

[AirBorne]

Check out Celsius 41.11 and Michael Moore Hates America. These are bothe excellent and show a different view that the extremely biased Moore.

are these 2 movies out yet? what about fareinhype?