Anyone not lift to failure and are happy with their results?

[RodgerThat]

That has more to do with your job than choice of the very best training approach. If you were chasing some thing serious then you know that isnt the best way to do things

I'd disagree, for my goals that has consistently been the best way for me to train. One day on one day off 4 days total a week everyday is full body with the 4th being either pull or speed specific. I have chased the serious this way and Lb for Lb even off cycle I'm one of the strongest on meso and I think one of 5 people that have pulled 3x bodyweight. It's not optimal for someone to train 6x a week if they can't recover as even with a generous amount of sleep and a caloric maintenance with appropriate protein there just is a point where you can't recover from the training, even when on cycle there is a limit. Perrin also trains 4x a week and he is going to the highest levels doing it

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I'd disagree, for my goals that has consistently been the best way for me to train. One day on one day off 4 days total a week everyday is full body with the 4th being either pull or speed specific. I have chased the serious this way and Lb for Lb even off cycle I'm one of the strongest on meso and I think one of 5 people that have pulled 3x bodyweight. It's not optimal for someone to train 6x a week if they can't recover as even with a generous amount of sleep and a caloric maintenance with appropriate protein there just is a point where you can't recover from the training, even when on cycle there is a limit. Perrin also trains 4x a week and he is going to the highest levels doing it

I think were looking thru different goggles friend thats all. For an aesthetic, hypertrophy/BB goals its not the best. I dont do strictly PL in a looong time but that is a different game for sure. Even with a PL program i could see utilizing ED to do some thing. Whether it be accessory work or ab work. Fucking some thing, lol

 

[NovaFlex]

I'd disagree, for my goals that has consistently been the best way for me to train. One day on one day off 4 days total a week everyday is full body with the 4th being either pull or speed specific. I have chased the serious this way and Lb for Lb even off cycle I'm one of the strongest on meso and I think one of 5 people that have pulled 3x bodyweight. It's not optimal for someone to train 6x a week if they can't recover as even with a generous amount of sleep and a caloric maintenance with appropriate protein there just is a point where you can't recover from the training, even when on cycle there is a limit. Perrin also trains 4x a week and he is going to the highest levels doing it

I started training 1 on 1 off as well and I've seen my strength skyrocket this way. Usually I'll do a fifth day on the weekend for strongman type conditioning... it's been much better for me.

 

[Wunderpus]

Just curious.

Ive recently moved to a strongman style routine and I have to say its certainly not the best for size but I think for strength its great. I always stop one rep before total failure just to try and prevent injury. Anyone go in and do some boring 3 x 12, not hit failure and still hit their mass goals?

I rarely lift to true muscular failure. Mostly, I train to the point where form is either sloppy, or about to be sloppy, and call that failure. Sometimes i incorporate partials or true failure into my lifts, but that's rare. This has been the most effective method for me in putting on lean mass. Strength comes with it, as well, but it's main goal is purely aesthetic for me.

 

[Ackmud]

I rarely lift to true muscular failure. Mostly, I train to the point where form is either sloppy, or about to be sloppy, and call that failure. Sometimes i incorporate partials or true failure into my lifts, but that's rare. This has been the most effective method for me in putting on lean mass. Strength comes with it, as well, but it's main goal is purely aesthetic for me.

I never train to failure for deadlifts or squats - too much risk of injury for me if I'm pulling at or near max where it's hard to keep proper form.

Also since I train alone, it's not practical for me to go to failure on stuff like barbell presses, leg press etc.

 

[Ackmud]

I'm not sure what's wrong with one day on one day off either? Sometimes I've done that with a 3 day split like:

workout A: chest and back
workout B: delts and arms
workout C: Legs

and ends up being a 6 day rotation if there's one rest day in between each.

What's the potential advantage of reducing rest days or splitting workouts into shorter ones just so it's not one day on one day off?

 

[Apexvallen]

I started training 1 on 1 off as well and I've seen my strength skyrocket this way. Usually I'll do a fifth day on the weekend for strongman type conditioning... it's been much better for me.

I'm just about to start something very similar. Care to post a brief outline of how you do that for me to see?

 

[MindlessWork]

I never train to failure for deadlifts or squats - too much risk of injury for me if I'm pulling at or near max where it's hard to keep proper form.

Also since I train alone, it's not practical for me to go to failure on stuff like barbell presses, leg press etc.

So true as I have gotten injured enough times going to failure when lifting heavy weight solo. Now I go as far as I can till I feel I can not do another good rep.

 

[Xlgx]

I'm not sure what's wrong with one day on one day off either? Sometimes I've done that with a 3 day split like:

workout A: chest and back
workout B: delts and arms
workout C: Legs

and ends up being a 6 day rotation if there's one rest day in between each.

What's the potential advantage of reducing rest days or splitting workouts into shorter ones just so it's not one day on one day off?

I'd flip workout b and c. Depending on recovery ability you can do 3/1 followed by 3/2 back to 3/1 etc. or 3/1 3/2 3/3 and repeat

 

[jJjburton]

life 2 reps or 1 rep before faliure

 

[NovaFlex]

I'm just about to start something very similar. Care to post a brief outline of how you do that for me to see?

My current regiment looks like this:

Squat day, bench day, DL day, conditioning / BB day.

Sometimes I'll combine The BB day with conditioning. Depends how I feel.

I pretty much do everything by feel right now. I may have a whole squat day dedicated to just squats, paused squats and no other accessories.

Squat day (usually)
Work up to 2x2 / 3x3 on heavy days
Stay around 3x5 for top set on volume days

I always pyramid down after my top set:

Warmups
425 2x2
405 x5
315 x5
315 x5 paused
275 x5 paused
225 x10-15 for burn out

If I feel up to it I'll do some RDLs, usually every other week. Some leg exts, etc. I've really been into less accessories and more of the main lifts lately.


Bench day;
same concept but I prefer more volume benching and less 2x2 / 3x3. Just cos I have a bad elbow. I like to stick around 4-6 rep range pyramid up and down.


Warmup
Flat bench
225x5
245x4
265x3
225x4-6

Incline bench
135 x8-10
185 2x5
225 3-4

DB flys / cable flys
Triceps

Maybe some light OHP if I feel up to it


DL days I tend to go heavier and not so much volume.

Work up to top set of 3x3 or 2x2
Warmup
485 2x2
445 x5-6
405 x6-8

I either do deficits after or block pulls. If I do block pulls, I don't add the volume with 405 at the end of my regular DL.

Bent over rows
2-3 sets after warmup
Depends how I feel, if I go heavy or rep out 135 to burnout

Lat pull downs since I'm not a fan of pull-ups.

Again I add some Tris / bis. Just a quick superset so they aren't neglected.


Conditioning / strongman day

I started doing BArbell complexes
Snatch to a front squat to OHP
4-5 sets x 8-10 reps

I use 135 and it's brutal right now

Farmers carries w heaviest DBs I can find (100s in my gym)
4-5 sets to failure

any form of HIIT. I use the stationary bike.

Looking to get ahold of some tractor tires and gonna make a sandbag. Then my conditioning day will be almost complete.

For bodybuilding, I just do stuff I fee I neglected throughout the week... rear delts, traps, arms, etc. anything I didn't do I add in.


Hope this helps bro. I took a lot of stuff from different books I've read and created my own style that seems to work... for now at least.

 

[Apexvallen]

Damn thats awesome. I love that idea. Thanks for writing that up for me. I love that theres a strongman day. I loooooove my strongman stuff.

 

[NovaFlex]

Damn thats awesome. I love that idea. Thanks for writing that up for me. I love that theres a strongman day. I loooooove my strongman stuff.

No problem, man. It's the first time I actually wrote it out, haha. I've been going just by what's in my head.

It doesn't look like a lot of movements, but the intensity makes up for that. Plus, mastering a few movements is key.

And yeah, I just started incorporating strongman a few weeks ago... I love it. It's fucking brutal. I get most of my strongman knowledge from a YouTuber named Brian Alsruhe.

 

[showstoppa]

I think were looking thru different goggles friend thats all. For an aesthetic, hypertrophy/BB goals its not the best. I dont do strictly PL in a looong time but that is a different game for sure. Even with a PL program i could see utilizing ED to do some thing. Whether it be accessory work or ab work. Fucking some thing, lol

I think were looking thru different goggles friend thats all. For an aesthetic, hypertrophy/BB goals its not the best. I dont do strictly PL in a looong time but that is a different game for sure. Even with a PL program i could see utilizing ED to do some thing. Whether it be accessory work or ab work. Fucking some thing, lol

Disagree. Daunte trudal, creator of D.C. Training has been one of the most successful trainers and his programs has been crazy successful at adding outrageous amounts of mass using a 2 way 3 day a week split using rest pause, statics and elongated eccentric phases and then using weighted stretches along with absurd amounts of protein to fuel recovery.

For many with average genetics a true extremely intense session like below is the best way to manage recovery

Example chest:
Incline smith machine- 250x12, 12-15 second rest then, 250x4, 12-15 second rest then 250x2

Each rep has 6-8 second eccentric phase, each mini set ends on complete failure with a negative for as long as possible and after all three sets a static hold going into a negative. Weighted stretch then move on as that's it for chest that day.

 

[manafest]

I think were looking thru different goggles friend thats all. For an aesthetic, hypertrophy/BB goals its not the best. I dont do strictly PL in a looong time but that is a different game for sure. Even with a PL program i could see utilizing ED to do some thing. Whether it be accessory work or ab work. Fucking some thing, lol

Just actually read thru your posts in this thread..I was actually astonished you pretty much nailed it with your advice..my outlook and personal knowledge is much the same as the things you have mentioned...i will say this i have been caught up many time swaying from what i know works only to regret it...still to this day i switch to a few different things other then what you described that do work for myself but dosent mean they would for anyone else...just wanted to say good job on explaining to others so they may headed to a new direction if they read this thread...

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Just actually read thru your posts in this thread..I was actually astonished you pretty much nailed it with your advice..my outlook and personal knowledge is much the same as the things you have mentioned...i will say this i have been caught up many time swaying from what i know works only to regret it...still to this day i switch to a few different things other then what you described that do work for myself but dosent mean they would for anyone else...just wanted to say good job on explaining to others so they may headed to a new direction if they read this thread...

Lol, astonished
Fuck you man

 

[Apexvallen]

Lol, astonished
Fuck you man

Not good at taking compliments aye lol

 

[Mayne]

Olympic golds have been won with lifting max effort everyday and not. Mr. Olympias have been won lifting to failure and not. No program is wrong as long as you make progress and no program is universal.

 

[MindlessWork]

Olympic golds have been won with lifting max effort everyday and not. Mr. Olympias have been won lifting to failure and not. No program is wrong as long as you make progress and no program is universal.

Well said and every person is different thus respond to exercise differently.