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Apexvallen

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Just curious.

Ive recently moved to a strongman style routine and I have to say its certainly not the best for size but I think for strength its great. I always stop one rep before total failure just to try and prevent injury. Anyone go in and do some boring 3 x 12, not hit failure and still hit their mass goals?
 
Apexvallen said:
Just curious.

Ive recently moved to a strongman style routine and I have to say its certainly not the best for size but I think for strength its great. I always stop one rep before total failure just to try and prevent injury. Anyone go in and do some boring 3 x 12, not hit failure and still hit their mass goals?
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You can build some mass and definitely thickness with 5x5 6x6. It's finding the right RPE or percentage based off your 1 rep max. Once you find that you will create the stimulus you are looking for. Almost the best of both worlds mass and strength.
 
I even go more reps at a somewhat lighter weight roughly 80% of my max. Definitely I stop if I don't feel I can make the rep.
 
When training for strength you don't want to fail often. Creates bad motor patterns with heavier loads. Going to failure on sub maximal loads will not effect your training or motor patterns. That is why body builders can get away with it. When training for strength you look for bar speed and form of course if one of the two start to go it's time to rack it. Or if both go time to rack it.
 
franchise24 said:
When training for strength you don't want to fail often. Creates bad motor patterns with heavier loads. Going to failure on sub maximal loads will not effect your training or motor patterns. That is why body builders can get away with it. When training for strength you look for bar speed and form of course if one of the two start to go it's time to rack it. Or if both go time to rack it.
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So for lighter weight you can go to failure while when going heavy you go as far as you can BEFORE you fail?
 
franchise24 said:
When training for strength you don't want to fail often. Creates bad motor patterns with heavier loads. Going to failure on sub maximal loads will not effect your training or motor patterns. That is why body builders can get away with it. When training for strength you look for bar speed and form of course if one of the two start to go it's time to rack it. Or if both go time to rack it.
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\Wow interesting. Thankyou.
 
MindlessWork said:
So for lighter weight you can go to failure while when going heavy you go as far as you can BEFORE you fail?
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When going heavy you should have an idea of the weight you can do a 5x5 or 6x3 8x3. But when in doubt or if don't have any heavy totals or one rep maxes to go off of. Start light.

Example: Bench say you know 225 is relatively easy for you. Start your 5x5 with this and only rest two minutes between sets. If you can knock that out first bench session it's time to move the weight up. It's placing enough demand on your body to illicit strength in that set/rep range. Once you get to a weight that you need 3-5 minutes to rest between sets now your placing the demand on your body to get stronger.

It's called the SAID principle. Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands. Your demand that you're imposing on your body is strength. It will adapt that's when you increase weight or change rep schemes. There are number of other variables to play with, but that's the just of it.
 
franchise24 said:
When going heavy you should have an idea of the weight you can do a 5x5 or 6x3 8x3. But when in doubt or if don't have any heavy totals or one rep maxes to go off of. Start light.

Example: Bench say you know 225 is relatively easy for you. Start your 5x5 with this and only rest two minutes between sets. If you can knock that out first bench session it's time to move the weight up. It's placing enough demand on your body to illicit strength in that set/rep range. Once you get to a weight that you need 3-5 minutes to rest between sets now your placing the demand on your body to get stronger.

It's called the SAID principle. Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands. Your demand that you're imposing on your body is strength. It will adapt that's when you increase weight or change rep schemes. There are number of other variables to play with, but that's the just of it.
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Great advice and will make good use of it. Thanks!
 
franchise24 said:
When training for strength you don't want to fail often.
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Strength athletes fall victim to this often as well. Training 1RPM too frequently. 1RPM IS training to failure with 100% intensity.

Apexvallen said:
Just curious.

Ive recently moved to a strongman style routine and I have to say its certainly not the best for size but I think for strength its great. I always stop one rep before total failure just to try and prevent injury. Anyone go in and do some boring 3 x 12, not hit failure and still hit their mass goals?
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I come from the Mentzer school of thought. It was the ENTIRE base of my early training days before i transitioned to PL early on. If your not familiar with Mentzer or Jones then you may be more familiar with Yates style training. Cuz Yates learned it from Mentzer who learned it from Jones. The entire premise is complete and utter failure. And their is some vastly different ideas among bodybuilders on what FAILURE is. FAILURE is when all 3 phases of a lift FAIL. You will fail first at positive reps, then static, then negative. In that order. You will NOT stop your set until the very last fiber is destroyed, beaten in to the ground and burnt alive. Despite your very best efforts you will fail and the weight will win. THATS FAILURE TRAINING. Often requires a good trainer to force your static holds after the positive reps fail and to hoist it back in to position for negatives once the static reps fail. Yates literally built his LOOK off this style of training under Mentzers supervision. It does work obviously but is a very taxing way to train requiring the utmost effort to see each workout thru. When you train legs in this fashion i will tell you most do not have the balls to see the sets thru. They wont. Just that simple. Now that weve gone over that ill tell you why it may not be a good idea for you

Training to failure over stimulates the CNS. Which will destroy your workouts if you dont rest enough, arent eating enough or just dont have what it takes. Also another method of training that is very very popular among MOST BB's is volume training. You must understand VOLUME TRAINING AND FAILURE TRAINING ARE OPPOSITES. You cannot do both. Recipe for disaster. Adding the stress on the targeted muscle over a certain amount of total reps with a given weight forces muscle hypertrophy because you increase total exposure to stress. Increase the weight and exposure(reps) over time you force change. I have for various reasons switched to this style of training because
A. I can train with way way more frequency this way. Often hitting a targeted bodypart or lifts 3 times a week. Increasing exposure to stress on the muscle and operating under fatigue. Which is important!
B. I dont have to bring a ridiculous amount of intensity EVERY SINGLE workout. Which is why most cant cut it in failure training
C.im not run down, fatigued, overstimulated, overtrained.

You can decide for yourself what you want to do. Both have perks of that particular style of training. Most BB go with volume approach. Mainly because its way easier and can be done more often

Hope that helps
 
Apexvallen said:
That was awesome. Thankyou so much GWT.
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Order HEAVY DUTY from Mike Mentzers website. I snagged them about 15yrs ago for cheap along with a couple of his tshirts. Its all cheap stuff. Good read and will help you understand better what exactly is expected of you in failure training. There are 3 actual books written on the HEAVY DUTY method and one of em is Mentzers weird philosophical side which is the 4th book he wrote. I hate that one :(
But the other 3 are great!
 
On the Mentzer note, I love his books, his nutrition book is also of interest.

I'd love to train that way exclusively, and I did for about 4 years, I've never been more injured in my life!
 
One of the most over looked secrets to Mentzer stile training is to keep written records of every lift, weight and reps. Sorry I cant sit and write when I train, and at that kind of intensity I can barley see after a set. And with a minute rest between sets you have to be kidding me! Thats just me, Im not in the gym to scribble away in some book. So I miss out on the record keeping and the adding weight or reps every workout, which is an important aspect of HIT. I find when I do this type of training after a few weeks I notice I am upping the volume every workout. I find for BB a variation of all methods seems to work well for me, alternating every few months. Rest rest rest is an also important component no matter how much gear you are on. Going to positive failure is sufficient, but static and negative failure can burn you out if done too often. Even 80% if intense enough can easily get anyone big. For me diet and eating enough of the right food is far more important for size then any training style.
 
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