Advice to get money to be independent?

[hijoshiki]

This world definitely still has a chance to live. When there are people with such thinking. Happy is not the one who has everything, happy is the one who can be satisfied with what he has.
The most important thing in my life is the birth of my son. Everything else is less important, no matter how much I spend on my family. I'd rather hurt myself, but the family will have everything. And I'm happy about it. I agree about money. Only now my desire to earn more is justified by the fact that my family will live better.

This is domestication, a rejection of the hardened, callous handed fear inducing man turned into a nurse maid who takes his shirt off and lets child suckle on his gyno'd nips.

This simply can't be the ultimate goal of a man. If it is I'd rather swan dive off a cliff if this is what I was to look forward to.

At least give me the death of a Comanche warrior, something honorable.

There is no amount of whoring that is too much for such a man living with the views that he has no other purpose than to create a family and sacrifice himself by becoming a tool for exploitation so he can raise children.

There's something terribly tragic in resigning a human to this form of misery.

 

[Demondosage]

This is domestication, a rejection of the hardened, callous handed fear inducing man turned into a nurse maid who takes his shirt off and lets child suckle on his gyno'd nips.

This simply can't be the ultimate goal of a man. If it is I'd rather swan dive off a cliff if this is what I was to look forward to.

At least give me the death of a Comanche warrior, something honorable.

There is no amount of whoring that is too much for such a man living with the views that he has no other purpose than to create a family and sacrifice himself by becoming a tool for exploitation so he can raise children.

There's something terribly tragic in resigning a human to this form of misery.

Or it could be raising a son to be hard in a soft world, carry on the family name, working so you can appreciate other things in life besides toxic, small term rewards. See, you’re looking at these responses as guys selling out, but I’m reading yours as another guy drinking the koolaid whose gonna end up alone and miserable. You are speaking abt a lot of modern day men here truthfully, as in not real men. But it’s not all of them

 

[hijoshiki]

Or it could be raising a son to be hard in a soft world, carry on the family name, working so you can appreciate other things in life besides toxic, small term rewards. See, you’re looking at these responses as guys selling out, but I’m reading yours as another guy drinking the koolaid whose gonna end up alone and miserable. You are speaking abt a lot of modern day men here truthfully, as in not real men. But it’s not all of them

You raise the son to be the man you couldn't be.

What is the point in that?

Do you expect your son or sons to do something you can't or won't do yourself?

What if the son decides he wants to transition or he wants to become a drag queen wearing your wife's panties?

You can't control what your son does, he has far more chance of becoming a sissy that gets bitched slapped by life than a hard man in a soft world.

Most of the sons today will be rubbing lotion on their bodies to keep their skin silky smooth. They will assume roles that modern civilization assigns them. Very few will be stepping out of bounds to contest their lot in life.

I enjoy reading the high minded goals of many of the people on Meso, but I think this optimism just isn't reality or perhaps it's a blind spot?

 

[Villain]

You raise the son to be the man you couldn't be.

What is the point in that?

Do you expect your son or sons to do something you can't or won't do yourself?

What if the son decides he wants to transition or he wants to become a drag queen wearing your wife's panties?

You can't control what your son does, he has far more chance of becoming a sissy that gets bitched slapped by life than a hard man in a soft world.

Most of the sons today will be rubbing lotion on their bodies to keep their skin silky smooth. They will assume roles that modern civilization assigns them. Very few will be stepping out of bounds to contest their lot in life.

I enjoy reading the high minded goals of many of the people on Meso, but I think this optimism just isn't reality or perhaps it's a blind spot?

I have finally encountered someone more negative than my dad lol

 

[Demondosage]

You raise the son to be the man you couldn't be.

What is the point in that?

Do you expect your son or sons to do something you can't or won't do yourself?

What if the son decides he wants to transition or he wants to become a drag queen wearing your wife's panties?

You can't control what your son does, he has far more chance of becoming a sissy that gets bitched slapped by life than a hard man in a soft world.

Most of the sons today will be rubbing lotion on their bodies to keep their skin silky smooth. They will assume roles that modern civilization assigns them. Very few will be stepping out of bounds to contest their lot in life.

I enjoy reading the high minded goals of many of the people on Meso, but I think this optimism just isn't reality or perhaps it's a blind spot?

I feel like a present father figure in a boys life has a strong role in the way he grows up, it’s the lack thereof that’s creating what you talk about

 

[Demondosage]

While we are on the topic, what’s your definition of what a man is anyways? You speak like every guy is some kind of bitch or something. Personally I don’t feel like that, I work hard, take my son camping, we ride motocross together, shoot guns, go fishing. I taught him how to swim, how to shake hands, look ppl in the eye, start working to make his own money at a young age, and he’s recently gotten into working out. I don’t feel like a failure at all actually, nor someone that isn’t a man. Now, when you speak of society’s influence on children, I agree with you to a point. It’s no coincidence that the lack of strong father figures in families is turning kids into what you see in the mainstream lately. So Is the real man the one that doesn’t even try and remains a negative son of a bitch? Or is the guy that says he’s going to be better than that and actually steps to the fucking plate and swings?

 

[adamcarpenter]

This is domestication, a rejection of the hardened, callous handed fear inducing man turned into a nurse maid who takes his shirt off and lets child suckle on his gyno'd nips.

This simply can't be the ultimate goal of a man. If it is I'd rather swan dive off a cliff if this is what I was to look forward to.

At least give me the death of a Comanche warrior, something honorable.

There is no amount of whoring that is too much for such a man living with the views that he has no other purpose than to create a family and sacrifice himself by becoming a tool for exploitation so he can raise children.

There's something terribly tragic in resigning a human to this form of misery.

What’s your deal? You sound like a pampered cry baby. Boo hoo life isn’t all about me.

If you live in a developed country, life can get worse every day for the rest of your life and your worse day will still be better than your ancestors best.

Your ancestors lived 24 hours from starvation or dying from exposure every day for their entire life, and they still got it done. Are you too good to put anyones needs before your own? Because that’s what you sound like.

You want to live like an ape? Go live in the woods. Knock yourself out.

Sounds like you need to grow up. Life isn’t how you want it to be? Put in the effort to change the world, or die trying. I am. Lots of guys are. And we are succeeding.

My son and daughters make better decisions than me at their age because me and their mom put in the effort. They are better versions of us. They are one generation of change for the better in this world. What have you done?

 

[hijoshiki]

I have finally encountered someone more negative than my dad lol

You ain't seen nothing tell you seen my dad.

 

[hijoshiki]

What’s your deal? You sound like a pampered cry baby. Boo hoo life isn’t all about me.

If you live in a developed country, life can get worse every day for the rest of your life and your worse day will still be better than your ancestors best.

Your ancestors lived 24 hours from starvation or dying from exposure every day for their entire life, and they still got it done. Are you too good to put anyones needs before your own? Because that’s what you sound like.

You want to live like an ape? Go live in the woods. Knock yourself out.

Sounds like you need to grow up. Life isn’t how you want it to be? Put in the effort to change the world, or die trying. I am. Lots of guys are. And we are succeeding.

My son and daughters make better decisions than me at their age because me and their mom put in the effort. They are better versions of us. They are one generation of change for the better in this world. What have you done?

Our ancestors probably lived longer back 100 years ago then what you see today. Once you have water, food, shelter your biology will last as long as it was intended.

Today we've got 12 year olds that weigh 350lbs, farm raised on pesticides and antibiotics.. I'm reading endless obituaries of 25-40 y.o.'s every week. They're cashing out their chips, jumping off the cliff.

My ancestors that came to this country at least on my moms side from the early 1600's all lived into their early 80's and many of the women late 80's and early 90's. They were dirt farmers, poor, but physically stout.

As to what I have done. I've always considered my purpose in life to ask pointed questions at awkward times to piss people off, or just in general to crush dreams........that's what I do.

I'm the kind of guy upon hearing the announcement that a women is pregnant that tells her there's a good chance her baby might end up with a long list of birth defects.....I'm that kind of asswipe and I take pride in that.

 

[Demondosage]

You ain't seen nothing tell you seen my dad.

That explains it all rt there

 

[EJ1739]

Look for every way possible to keep from spending money on anything.

You gotta work to save money, but don't be like most fools today and buy stuff to impress others. These people are enslaved to materialism and how others view them.

I used to have lots of really expensive shit, I mean really expensive. If you had broken into my home ten years ago you could have made off with a couple of hundred thousand dollars worth of stuff easily.

I sold all of it and continued to sell and sell until I had very little left. I realized around 45 that none of that stuff was worth anything to me and I was better off without. My father is a hoarder, pathological. Last year I spent a week cleaning out his house and massive work shop that was loaded with so much stuff I'd guess there was easily a three hundred thousand items.

I think humans have this need to cling to material objects as some form of security.

So don't buy shit, just don't buy anything and you will find that not only will you travel through life much easier, you can move about and look for more opportunity and freedom, but you don't have to worry as you will find out that it doesn't cost as much to live as you think if you can learn self control.

If you had only enough stuff that it would only take you one hour to pack up and move, you'd never have to take shit off anyone at work, you simply pack up and leave. It's like a big F you to the world when you have learned the power of self control and no longer have to be a slave to the system.

I really like this advice.^^^ I come from a very wealthy family self made, private planes and shit like that. However, I do not get a dime from my parents, unless I am in serious problems. They have helped me get out of debt on a 40K car when I was 19 due to being in negative equity by £5000, that is about it.

Entering the big bad world by myself I had a distorted view on money and was not earning a lot at all, got myself into debt etc, which took years to get out of. I now get the cheapest of everything, but it took nearly 8 years to adjust my view on money. I am currently earning enough to get by, but have no money to do anything fancy other than a holiday to Spain each year.

Now, my partner thinks very differently, because I am getting more money through my own business that it means we can get better cars, more expensive items... No, we can't! I constantly explain that if we live to our means, we will have no savings, no investments for passive and inflating income etc. I am 28 and still not earning "good" money (Yet...- Always gotta stay positive). Even, if/when I start earning £60K+ British, which is roughly £4K a month after tax. I will still only live off 2-2.5K max!!! Even, if I was earning £500K a year, I would live off £100-£200k max! Even, now my friends take the piss and call me the poorest rich man, because I will happily and contently buy two t-shirts for £5.00, from ASDA/Walmart. Yet, occasionally I do drive around in my parents supercars etc. But, I do not live off of Mummy and Daddy's money.

I understand my partner has not experienced what I have experienced and without the means to boast, I had done more in my life by the time I was 18 than most people experience in their entire lives, so I have done it all and don't really feel like I am ever going to miss out, where as she probably does. Now, I am rightfully so, on my own financially to create my own wealth. We need financial advice as part of our education at school, not Pythagoras's theorem about counting triangles and squares. (for reference, I know that is not what Pythagoras's theorem does).

 

[EJ1739]

Each of us have our own personality and drive.

Having a family wouldn't make me happy(it would have given me nightmares) because I'd be creating problems that I never needed to create. I would have brought someone into the world that I know is gonna have more suffering than pleasure.

To me relationships can be summed up in one word: Chaos.

I once came close to marriage in my very early 30's, but I sabotaged it because I knew I was giving up freedom and I knew that I would make a lousy husband and father because of my extreme views. And most importantly I knew that I would never be able to retire and I would be stuck in a world ruled by emotions.

My personality is that of a loner, I never hugged my mother, I don't show emotions. When I started meditating in my mid 30's for long hours I realized that I could turn off completely from the world, desire, impulse, pain and that's when I found the freedom I was really looking for.

I look around at the world and see most people causing their own problems. They eat, spend, love, cry and want too much, they keep riding a roller coaster over and over. I stepped off and waved them goodbye as I can't see a point in this madness.

You will absolutely love the film "Into the wild". If you have not already seen it. A masterpiece of an explanation of how money is nothing but a problem.

I wish I could turn my emotions off. All I do is worry about my 10 month old daughter having to grow up in this world of destruction, rape, murder, social media and Metaverse etc... I mean wtf how is Zuckerburg allowed to create this Metaverse. I believe China have rightfully banned it. My daughter was an accident, but I wouldn't change her for anything and Love her more than anything... but, this world is going to cause her so many problems. In a way if Putin does nuke the planet, it would eradicate the most deadly disease - which is the human race.

 

[Villain]

You will absolutely love the film "Into the wild". If you have not already seen it. A masterpiece of an explanation of how money is nothing but a problem.

I wish I could turn my emotions off. All I do is worry about my 10 month old daughter having to grow up in this world of destruction, rape, murder, social media and Metaverse etc... I mean wtf how is Zuckerburg allowed to create this Metaverse. I believe China have rightfully banned it. My daughter was an accident, but I wouldn't change her for anything and Love her more than anything... but, this world is going to cause her so many problems. In a way if Putin does nuke the planet, it would eradicate the most deadly disease - which is the human race.

She was not an accident bro - she was unplanned. I hope you never utter those words to her.

 

[Hightower]

This is domestication, a rejection of the hardened, callous handed fear inducing man turned into a nurse maid who takes his shirt off and lets child suckle on his gyno'd nips.

This simply can't be the ultimate goal of a man. If it is I'd rather swan dive off a cliff if this is what I was to look forward to.

At least give me the death of a Comanche warrior, something honorable.

There is no amount of whoring that is too much for such a man living with the views that he has no other purpose than to create a family and sacrifice himself by becoming a tool for exploitation so he can raise children.

There's something terribly tragic in resigning a human to this form of misery.

Well, if you have your own way, I listened to you and realized that it is good for you. Such a judgment and attitude to life is alien and incomprehensible to me. If you want to live as an egoist, this is your right, but you shouldn’t condemn others for having different views.

 

[Hightower]

Or it could be raising a son to be hard in a soft world, carry on the family name, working so you can appreciate other things in life besides toxic, small term rewards. See, you’re looking at these responses as guys selling out, but I’m reading yours as another guy drinking the koolaid whose gonna end up alone and miserable. You are speaking abt a lot of modern day men here truthfully, as in not real men. But it’s not all of them

I could be wrong, but he is very negative and offended by the whole world. And he closed himself in his world, a world where only he exists, through operational joys. And I do not accept other points of view.

 

[hijoshiki]

I really like this advice.^^^ I come from a very wealthy family self made, private planes and shit like that. However, I do not get a dime from my parents, unless I am in serious problems. They have helped me get out of debt on a 40K car when I was 19 due to being in negative equity by £5000, that is about it.

Entering the big bad world by myself I had a distorted view on money and was not earning a lot at all, got myself into debt etc, which took years to get out of. I now get the cheapest of everything, but it took nearly 8 years to adjust my view on money. I am currently earning enough to get by, but have no money to do anything fancy other than a holiday to Spain each year.

Now, my partner thinks very differently, because I am getting more money through my own business that it means we can get better cars, more expensive items... No, we can't! I constantly explain that if we live to our means, we will have no savings, no investments for passive and inflating income etc. I am 28 and still not earning "good" money (Yet...- Always gotta stay positive). Even, if/when I start earning £60K+ British, which is roughly £4K a month after tax. I will still only live off 2-2.5K max!!! Even, if I was earning £500K a year, I would live off £100-£200k max! Even, now my friends take the piss and call me the poorest rich man, because I will happily and contently buy two t-shirts for £5.00, from ASDA/Walmart. Yet, occasionally I do drive around in my parents supercars etc. But, I do not live off of Mummy and Daddy's money.

I understand my partner has not experienced what I have experienced and without the means to boast, I had done more in my life by the time I was 18 than most people experience in their entire lives, so I have done it all and don't really feel like I am ever going to miss out, where as she probably does. Now, I am rightfully so, on my own financially to create my own wealth. We need financial advice as part of our education at school, not Pythagoras's theorem about counting triangles and squares. (for reference, I know that is not what Pythagoras's theorem does).

Too many people have this expectation of being wealthy from watching social media.

I grew up in the age before the internet(my first resume after college was typed out on a 20lb mechanical typewriter), and even though I had some exposure to the net when I was in my last years of university, it was mostly only used back then for what the true purpose of the net was and that was to download raunchy porn in the library when no one was looking and leave it up on the screen and walk away while laughing your ass off........those were the days when the world wasn't littered with security cameras. There you sit with your buddies and you wait in the corner with a magazine as some girl sits down and moves her mouse to drop the screen saver to discover her prize. This was back in the days of Windows NT 3.0 when it took half an hour to download such a pic.

The point of this story is that the best things in life are always free. Don't look for stuff that cost money, make real memories that count like my story above. I don't remember the vehicles I owned, but I remember young women screaming in shock at those vulgar images and having a good time with my dorm buddies.

 

[EJ1739]

Too many people have this expectation of being wealthy from watching social media.

I grew up in the age before the internet(my first resume after college was typed out on a 20lb mechanical typewriter), and even though I had some exposure to the net when I was in my last years of university, it was mostly only used back then for what the true purpose of the net was and that was to download raunchy porn in the library when no one was looking and leave it up on the screen and walk away while laughing your ass off........those were the days when the world wasn't littered with security cameras. There you sit with your buddies and you wait in the corner with a magazine as some girl sits down and moves her mouse to drop the screen saver to discover her prize. This was back in the days of Windows NT 3.0 when it took half an hour to download such a pic.

The point of this story is that the best things in life are always free. Don't look for stuff that cost money, make real memories that count like my story above. I don't remember the vehicles I owned, but I remember young women screaming in shock at those vulgar images and having a good time with my dorm buddies.

Hahahahahaha brilliant!!! I bet it was even better when the girls didn't scream, they then started to play with themselves watching it! I would have been straight over to introduce myself!

 

[hijoshiki]

You will absolutely love the film "Into the wild". If you have not already seen it. A masterpiece of an explanation of how money is nothing but a problem.

I wish I could turn my emotions off. All I do is worry about my 10 month old daughter having to grow up in this world of destruction, rape, murder, social media and Metaverse etc... I mean wtf how is Zuckerburg allowed to create this Metaverse. I believe China have rightfully banned it. My daughter was an accident, but I wouldn't change her for anything and Love her more than anything... but, this world is going to cause her so many problems. In a way if Putin does nuke the planet, it would eradicate the most deadly disease - which is the human race.

I've seen the movie, good movie from the stand point of an idealist that wanted freedom. The problem is he forgot that he was far removed from the survival skills needed to live wild and ended up dead.

I don't worry about the future world, I suspect it will be a mess much like it is today only worse in many ways, but for many people it will be better because they get a hard-on for technology as if that's gonna solve your main problem.

Like the dude from the above movie. All he needed was some food, water and shelter and he was good. He had the water and shelter, the food was the problem. Which I find absurd in an age where we see all these gizmos and gadgets that we think make our lives better and we haven't even solved the problem of developing technology that can feed a person easily should they decide to walk off the plantation(which of course they don't want their slaves running off).

Which brings up the Question of Technology that many philosophers have tried to explain....is it used to serve us or are we here to serve it....it would appear that we exist as slaves to the technology as I don't see it having improved my life having gone from little technology in my youth compared to today where everyone stares at screens like assimilated borgs.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

If you're ever really down and out, you can sell your ass for quick cash.

 

[Demondosage]

Mike-xxx, did you ever have anyone from your youth that influenced you? Like a football coach, father, grandfather, anyone that showed you anything? Surely you didn’t learn everything in life from television or the internet. Who were the influences in your life? I’m not trying to be an ass I’m seriously just curious. For me it was my grandfather, I would work with him fixing up a cpl places that he owned, cut his grass, hell half the time I think he came up with jobs just to give me a way to work and earn some kind of money. He was a tough old bastard, navy man and Pearl Harbor survivor. Anyways, he was a big influence in my life. Did you have anyone as a kid you looked up to or took time out of their day to help you out or show you things?