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AlienHuman

AlienHuman

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Multi-year lurker here - starting first (small) cycle.

I've done my reading, but research is only half of the picture. Please be honest with critique. Even though I'm an avid reader here, gear is sourced from a place that isn't in high favour on Meso- import issues in my country.

Background
-low T for a couple of years had issues with sides anxiety, depression etc- partially fixed with diet.
-Lifting natty for many years, happy with progress - Please see natty pics with low T.
-Was also massively overweight (double current weight at peak - loose skin as a result).
-DHT conversion issues too - says endo- (raised PSA occassionally in 20s - no hairloss).
-No morning wood for years but high sex drive if I leave it a few days to a week, current Gf has no sex drive so that may have something to do with it.
-Had E2 issues young, Gyno removed (too much! keen to see if cycle will fix this by stretching skin out - check picture).

Stats
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Age: 33
Height 6"0
Weight 185 lbs.
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Averaging. Bloodwork values for the last couple of years (off the top of my head):
T 10.1 = 12.1 nmol/l (~350 ng/dl - high 550, low 246 - always measured first thing in the morning.
Free T < 100
E2 39
LH/FSH 1.1/2.0
Chol:HDLC Ratio 1.8:1
Mildly anemic at 129 (min ref. 130)
Hematocrit 39
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Plan:

Anabolic Innovation (AUS UGL- any experiences?) Test E 250mg/ml x 10 ml bottle. I have 23g 1.5", upper glute (this is the toughest part for me).

Planning on drawing 0.7ml - 200 mg dose

1. Weeks 1 - 10 ~200 mg x 10 weeks

2. Week 6 - Mid cycle bloods

3. Week 12 - Clomid 25 ED x 2 weeks (cut 100 tab into 4 - can I do this with indian generics?)

On hand:

Aromasin
Finasteride
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Not sure if any of you remember back to your first pin, but practising in the mirror really isn't preparing me. I plan to aspirate etc, but really it's hard to begin - I've thought this through though - I don't want to go on orals or TRT - Any thoughts, bashing or comments welcome.
 

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AlienHuman said:
Multi-year lurker here - starting first (small) cycle.

I've done my reading, but research is only half of the picture. Please be honest with critique. Even though I'm an avid reader here, gear is sourced from a place that isn't in high favour on Meso- import issues in my country.

Background
-low T for a couple of years had issues with sides anxiety, depression etc- partially fixed with diet.
-Lifting natty for many years, happy with progress - Please see natty pics with low T.
-Was also massively overweight (double current weight at peak - loose skin as a result).
-DHT conversion issues too - says endo- (raised PSA occassionally in 20s - no hairloss).
-No morning wood for years but high sex drive if I leave it a few days to a week, current Gf has no sex drive so that may have something to do with it.
-Had E2 issues young, Gyno removed (too much! keen to see if cycle will fix this by stretching skin out - check picture).

Stats
----------------------
Age: 33
Height 6"0
Weight 185 lbs.
----------------------
Averaging. Bloodwork values for the last couple of years (off the top of my head):
T 10.1 = 12.1 nmol/l (~350 ng/dl - high 550, low 246 - always measured first thing in the morning.
Free T < 100
E2 39
LH/FSH 1.1/2.0
Chol:HDLC Ratio 1.8:1
Mildly anemic at 129 (min ref. 130)
Hematocrit 39
-----------------------
Plan:

Anabolic Innovation (AUS UGL- any experiences?) Test E 250mg/ml x 10 ml bottle. I have 23g 1.5", upper glute (this is the toughest part for me).

Planning on drawing 0.7ml - 200 mg dose

1. Weeks 1 - 10 ~200 mg x 10 weeks

2. Week 6 - Mid cycle bloods

3. Week 12 - Clomid 25 ED x 2 weeks (cut 100 tab into 4 - can I do this with indian generics?)

On hand:

Aromasin
Finasteride
-------------------
Not sure if any of you remember back to your first pin, but practising in the mirror really isn't preparing me. I plan to aspirate etc, but really it's hard to begin - I've thought this through though - I don't want to go on orals or TRT - Any thoughts, bashing or comments welcome.
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Well 200MG is not a cycle dose. You would be wise to use at least 500mg. 200mg, would be barely more than your body is producing naturally it's just not affective to do for a 10 week cycle.

So 10 weeks with 500MG would be alot better. Also don't even think about the injection, just do it. It's really easy, but the more you think about it your first time the harder it will be for you.
 
AlienHuman said:
Multi-year lurker here - starting first (small) cycle.

I've done my reading, but research is only half of the picture. Please be honest with critique. Even though I'm an avid reader here, gear is sourced from a place that isn't in high favour on Meso- import issues in my country.

Background
-low T for a couple of years had issues with sides anxiety, depression etc- partially fixed with diet.
-Lifting natty for many years, happy with progress - Please see natty pics with low T.
-Was also massively overweight (double current weight at peak - loose skin as a result).
-DHT conversion issues too - says endo- (raised PSA occassionally in 20s - no hairloss).
-No morning wood for years but high sex drive if I leave it a few days to a week, current Gf has no sex drive so that may have something to do with it.
-Had E2 issues young, Gyno removed (too much! keen to see if cycle will fix this by stretching skin out - check picture).

Stats
----------------------
Age: 33
Height 6"0
Weight 185 lbs.
----------------------
Averaging. Bloodwork values for the last couple of years (off the top of my head):
T 10.1 = 12.1 nmol/l (~350 ng/dl - high 550, low 246 - always measured first thing in the morning.
Free T < 100
E2 39
LH/FSH 1.1/2.0
Chol:HDLC Ratio 1.8:1
Mildly anemic at 129 (min ref. 130)
Hematocrit 39
-----------------------
Plan:

Anabolic Innovation (AUS UGL- any experiences?) Test E 250mg/ml x 10 ml bottle. I have 23g 1.5", upper glute (this is the toughest part for me).

Planning on drawing 0.7ml - 200 mg dose

1. Weeks 1 - 10 ~200 mg x 10 weeks

2. Week 6 - Mid cycle bloods

3. Week 12 - Clomid 25 ED x 2 weeks (cut 100 tab into 4 - can I do this with indian generics?)

On hand:

Aromasin
Finasteride
-------------------
Not sure if any of you remember back to your first pin, but practising in the mirror really isn't preparing me. I plan to aspirate etc, but really it's hard to begin - I've thought this through though - I don't want to go on orals or TRT - Any thoughts, bashing or comments welcome.
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If you have PSA issues you need to stay away from gear. TRT is not even an option so you need to keep your natty levels as high as possible and cycling will not help that
 
Bullet train said:
Well 200MG is not a cycle dose. You would be wise to use at least 500mg. 200mg, would be barely more than your body is producing naturally it's just not affective to do for a 10 week cycle.

So 10 weeks with 500MG would be alot better. Also don't even think about the injection, just do it. It's really easy, but the more you think about it your first time the harder it will be for you.
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Appreciate this. I'm pretty firm on the dosage - I'd like to hit in between 800 and 1500 levels. Once I work out how my body reacts, I'll be able to dial it in. The more I think about the injection, the more I read. And the more I read, the less my ass matches up to the anatomy charts. Ugh.

Test_Subject said:
200mg won't do a whole lot. You'll make gains, but not anything worth shutting yourself down for. That's essential a high TRT dose.
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Thank you. Noted, see above. I'm hoping to get a realistic idea of what I can expect from my body on the basics.

Just Fish said:
If you have PSA issues you need to stay away from gear. TRT is not even an option so you need to keep your natty levels as high as possible and cycling will not help that
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I really appreciate you pointing this out. As far as I'm aware, the urologist said it was likely an infection, both times. I'm unable to keep my natty levels above 10-12, no matter how much fat and carbs I eat, and it just makes me tubby and wrecks my great cholesterol. I'm prepared to abort the cycle and hit the finasteride if I run into issues, although I'm hoping I won't. Does this sound like a sensible plan?
 
AlienHuman said:
Appreciate this. I'm pretty firm on the dosage - I'd like to hit in between 800 and 1500 levels. Once I work out how my body reacts, I'll be able to dial it in. The more I think about the injection, the more I read. And the more I read, the less my ass matches up to the anatomy charts. Ugh.



Thank you. Noted, see above. I'm hoping to get a realistic idea of what I can expect from my body on the basics.



I really appreciate you pointing this out. As far as I'm aware, the urologist said it was likely an infection, both times. I'm unable to keep my natty levels above 10-12, no matter how much fat and carbs I eat, and it just makes me tubby and wrecks my great cholesterol. I'm prepared to abort the cycle and hit the finasteride if I run into issues, although I'm hoping I won't. Does this sound like a sensible plan?
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Nooooo! For a first cycle u wanna do trt/cruise and see how ur body reacts... That's not a sensible first cycle.

Second, you wanna take test and see if ur gonna fuck yourself up with possibly elevated PSA levels and then try to fix it ... That's reckless.

You're also afraid to pin yourself:( You're not made for this!!!

Do yourself a favor and get the fuck out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Bullet train said:
Nooooo! For a first cycle u wanna do trt/cruise and see how ur body reacts... Wrong brother. That's not sensible.

Second, you wanna take test and see if ur gonna fuck yourself up with elevated PSA levels and then try to fix it ... That's reckless.

You're also afraid to pin yourself, You're not made for this.

Do yourself a favor and get the fuck out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So, basically you are telling him to twitch his cycle to something like this:

150mg test/week 10 weeks
Deca 300mg/week 8 weeks
Winstrol at 50 eod for 5 weeks
 
AlienHuman said:
Appreciate this. I'm pretty firm on the dosage - I'd like to hit in between 800 and 1500 levels. Once I work out how my body reacts, I'll be able to dial it in. The more I think about the injection, the more I read. And the more I read, the less my ass matches up to the anatomy charts. Ugh.



Thank you. Noted, see above. I'm hoping to get a realistic idea of what I can expect from my body on the basics.



I really appreciate you pointing this out. As far as I'm aware, the urologist said it was likely an infection, both times. I'm unable to keep my natty levels above 10-12, no matter how much fat and carbs I eat, and it just makes me tubby and wrecks my great cholesterol. I'm prepared to abort the cycle and hit the finasteride if I run into issues, although I'm hoping I won't. Does this sound like a sensible plan?
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No, although it's your body not mine
 
Just Fish said:
If you have PSA issues you need to stay away from gear. TRT is not even an option so you need to keep your natty levels as high as possible and cycling will not help that
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EcpertRealistic said:
Dude, stop pushing people on stupid exaggerated dosages of testosterone. You have an idea how many people you can cause gyno.
Please stfu and stop your stupidity. No one wants bitch tits
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Read my quote clown! I am convinced you are really just a fucking retard. Take your own advice and SHUT THE FUCK UP you stupid motherfucker
 
Thanks guys. Just to clarify, I've had elevated PSA twice, but it's no longer elevated. I've also had BPH, related to infections, according to the urologist- twice in 15 years. My research indicated that there is a slight yet elevated risk of High grade cancer from endegenous androgen, however the correlation between elevated exogenous test and elevated psa/bph is mostly unclear. Maybe the resident doc can help clear this up as I don't have the studies on hand.

Just Fish said:
No, although it's your body not mine
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Thank you. What do you suggest?
 
EcpertRealistic said:
So, basically you are telling him to twitch his cycle to something like this:

150mg test/week 10 weeks
Deca 300mg/week 8 weeks
Winstrol at 50 eod for 5 weeks
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Thanks. For the moment I'd like to stick to the basics, a simple test cycle, and see how my body reacts. I've not done research on any other compounds and my bloods etc.
 
Bullet train said:
Nooooo! For a first cycle u wanna do trt/cruise and see how ur body reacts... That's not a sensible first cycle.

Second, you wanna take test and see if ur gonna fuck yourself up with possibly elevated PSA levels and then try to fix it ... That's reckless.

You're also afraid to pin yourself:( You're not made for this!!!

Do yourself a favor and get the fuck out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for your input. I won't be going anywhere, And I'm afraid- it's difficult to think of the first time.

What do you suggest a sensible first cycle for me?
 
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