High Test Versus Low Test Cycles

[Nick_Vaz]

Wanted to get a gauge on peoples experiences running cycles with high test / low additional anabolics and visa versa. In particular experiences with Npp, Primo/EQ, and mast. Wondering whether its worth running test just over TRT levels and adding in these compounds or just sprinkling them on top of a generous test base. I know everyone is different and cycles should be built upon bloodwork but I am curious the experiences others have had.

In addition to this I know oral are generally frowned upon but I often either hear of their use as "kickstarters" or "finishers" have any of yall had any experiences with either or and why do you feel your way works best.

 

[rebornmuscles]

Hi bro,
Like you say it's individual, like if someone take 500mg test and his estrogen hit the roof, high dht, prostate growth... well this guy need less test but higher of other compounds, another guy take 2g test and low dosahe of other compounds without any problem at all, it's very individual you have to make bloodcheck and see what works for you

 

[Psychokoak]

I tried mostly
-1.6gr of testosterone alone with a bit of exemestan
- 500 test 500 primo 600 mast
- 300 test 400 npp
And other and other lol

Currently I am doing 900mg of test and 1000mg of primo. Leave the possibility of seeing what primo really gives in high doses.

In fact I like a high testo because I tolerate it well. No sides from test.

But alone I lose what's interest in other steroids. The DHT derivated gives an interesting cosmetic gain honestly.
Npp gives an interesting muscle size too.

There is no perfect solution or ratio, as said above, choose a testosterone level that is manageable for you and fill the gap if necessary with others.
And if you tolerate 2gr of testosterone then you could do with just that to build muscle.

 

[rebornmuscles]

I tried mostly
-1.6gr of testosterone alone with a bit of exemestan
- 500 test 500 primo 600 mast
- 300 test 400 npp
And other and other lol

Currently I am doing 900mg of test and 1000mg of primo. Leave the possibility of seeing what primo really gives in high doses.

In fact I like a high testo because I tolerate it well. No sides from test.

But alone I lose what's interest in other steroids. The DHT derivated gives an interesting cosmetic gain honestly.
Npp gives an interesting muscle size too.

There is no perfect solution or ratio, as said above, choose a testosterone level that is manageable for you and fill the gap if necessary with others.
And if you tolerate 2gr of testosterone then you could do with just that to build muscle.

I see your point, anyway you seems to tolerate high dose testosterone but you need to check your estrogen because too low or too high isn't the right thing to grow, primobolan lower your estrogen, for me i will try this (my opinion) :
Bulking : high test, low DHB
Cutting : high test, medium masteron, medium primo
If you tolerate orals maybe some oxandrolone(anavar) pre-workout

 

[Psychokoak]

I see your point, anyway you seems to tolerate high dose testosterone but you need to check your estrogen because too low or too high isn't the right thing to grow, primobolan lower your estrogen, for me i will try this (my opinion) :
Bulking : high test, low DHB
Cutting : high test, medium masteron, medium primo
If you tolerate orals maybe some oxandrolone(anavar) pre-workout

In fact in all my cycles I aim for 50 to 70pg for my e2.

So my "ratios" are made to achieve this And it's true that I have a lot of tries to find where I felt good without sides.
I can do 500mg of test without exemestan and have my e2 at 70-80pg without any problem. But it doesn't interest me anymore now I don't really progress with so little.

I don't tolerate well any oral on the other hand.
Anadrol gives me a 170/110 blood pressure and blue skin like a smurf
Anavar gives me heart burn and acne.

But I tolerate the injectables test / mast / primo / npp. My lipids are OK. No acne. No hair loss. No nipple sensitivity.
(but over time I gained hair all over my back. I have the same density as pubic hair now lol)

That's me. We are all different and as you said very well everything must be done according to his bloodwork.

 

[rebornmuscles]

In fact in all my cycles I aim for 50 to 70pg for my e2.

So my "ratios" are made to achieve this And it's true that I have a lot of tries to find where I felt good without sides.
I can do 500mg of test without exemestan and have my e2 at 70-80pg without any problem. But it doesn't interest me anymore now I don't really progress with so little.

I don't tolerate well any oral on the other hand.
Anadrol gives me a 170/110 blood pressure and blue skin like a smurf
Anavar gives me heart burn and acne.

But I tolerate the injectables test / mast / primo / npp. My lipids are OK. No acne. No hair loss. No nipple sensitivity.
(but over time I gained hair all over my back. I have the same density as pubic hair now lol)

That's me. We are all different and as you said very well everything must be done according to his bloodwork.

You have hgh to your protocol ?
If not it can be a good thing to add it
After that if food, training are okay you don't have much more to go, maybe try some parabolan low dose too personally i prefer hard training and diet over peds but ofc simple molecules combination always give results, i am not a fan of high dose because i evolve fast with good health

 

[Psychokoak]

You have hgh to your protocol ?
If not it can be a good thing to add it
After that if food, training are okay you don't have much more to go, maybe try some parabolan low dose too personally i prefer hard training and diet over peds but ofc simple molecules combination always give results, i am not a fan of high dose because i evolve fast with good health

10ui yes.

I tried tren hex, 15 days. But even with 100mg my body odor was unbearable for me... I threw everything in the trash.

But I don't need it in the end and don't need more. I'm doing very well with what I have and thank god everything is simple for me. And in a "healthy" way.

I still think that in the use of harsh compound as tren a low test base is better. The tren will take up all the space and so you just need a test base at a physiological level.