Test E vs Test C

[malomkarom]

6 months to 1 year sounds way too little time unless the batch was produced 5 years ago and they fake the batch expiration date.

this just sounds more like scar tissue build up or weather changing and the oils turning cold with irritated injection sites than real pip.

its a ghost bust tho and raw manufacturers dont have the luxury of changing anything atm.

It also happens to be about the shelf life of low quality EO.
It was way to inconsistent to be a raws problem imo. Either it's like you said just old stock or like we already know is happening, a shitload of sources are just reselling eo+veg oil test e and blaming the raws.

Many quality sources never got hit by the mysterious pippy E raws. Sure it was more common for a while but it's not like Test E isn't the number 1 most used steroid still by miles. If it was that bad globally, it would not be used as much as it is, there's plenty of other options for the exact same price.

 

[Ghoul]

It also happens to be about the shelf life of low quality EO.
It was way to inconsistent to be a raws problem imo. Either it's like you said just old stock or like we already know is happening, a shitload of sources are just reselling eo+veg oil test e and blaming the raws.

Many quality sources never got hit by the mysterious pippy E raws. Sure it was more common for a while but it's not like Test E isn't the number 1 most used steroid still by miles. If it was that bad globally, it would not be used as much as it is, there's plenty of other options for the exact same price.

I don’t know, the complaints seem to be overwhelmingly E, Pippy C is almost unheard of.

 

[malomkarom]

I don’t know, the complaints seem to be overwhelmingly E, Pippy C is almost unheard of.

Cyp also happens to be an unknown ester by an overwhelming majority of AAS users around the world. Cyp really only became a thing when china oils were getting big and there was an option to buy anything other than E or P.

Of course it's more common with E, it's used more than all other esters combined, TE is by far the most used AAS in the world.

There might be something to it, I've read about the Delta 6 stuff in detail and it very much could be a major factor, I've just been reading way too many pip reports and not exactly an overwhelming "enough" majority of it is TE.

I'm not a good person to judge this though cause I get pip from empty sterile MCT even and have never had a painless TE injection in my life.

 

[CraneKraken]

It sounds like the reason for those dips might be due to dropping the propionate and phenylpropinate in the Sust. I imagine if you gave it a month running just the E you'd be okay.

I've recently switched from Sustanon to Test E (pharma) for my 100mg TRT. The oil is Castor Oil. Have to say the response was 'Meh' compared to Sustanon. So I tried another version in MCT oil and again doesnt seem to illicit the libido and mood boost I got from Sustanon and it was pippy. I understand that some E raws may contain unfiltered carbolic acid and could be an cause/effect especially if test show it 95%, hard to gauge what the other 5% might be? I might leave it another couple of weeks and switch out to Test C in GSO. At some point if im dialled in like I was with Sustanon and not getting the additional positives I'll probably switch back to Sustanon which I know isnt everyone's ideal choice but there you go.

 

[Jim2561]

It sounds like the reason for those dips might be due to dropping the propionate and phenylpropinate in the Sust. I imagine if you gave it a month running just the E you'd be okay.

Thanks, yeah i guessed it was the prop and phenyl that was giving a boost and im going to give it some time before considering the Test C in GSO or going back to Sustanon. Some good info picked up on this thread.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

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[Adi18]

I prefer cypionate, when I first started about 20 years ago it was all about enanthenate so that's what I did, no pip or anything out of the ordinary, everyone said cypionate aromatised more, tried cypionate one time because that's the only test I could get, and I really liked it so I stuck with it. Then I stopped and now that I've come back its all about cyp it seems in north America

 

[Jim2561]

I prefer cypionate, when I first started about 20 years ago it was all about enanthenate so that's what I did, no pip or anything out of the ordinary, everyone said cypionate aromatised more, tried cypionate one time because that's the only test I could get, and I really liked it so I stuck with it. Then I stopped and now that I've come back its all about cyp it seems in north America

What was the noticeable difference for you? Yes Test Cyp does seem to have a good reputation , I just thought it was because of the pip complaints of Ethanate that pushed people to prefer Cyp??

 

[Adi18]

What was the noticeable difference for you? Yes Test Cyp does seem to have a good reputation , I just thought it was because of the pip complaints of Ethanate that pushed people to prefer Cyp??

Hard to really pinpoint. This was 20 years ago. I just remember everyone trashing cypionate like it was inferior to enanthenate. I was young and getting my info from gym pros. Doing 19 nor solo etc. Couldn't really afford proper cycles. Then this guy i was getting from was like yeah I don't have enanthenate ill sell you this cypionate its my personal stash, 20ml bottle for a good price. No label or anything. It hit the spot. I guess just with all the shit talk about cyp made it more interesting. Maybe it was properly dosed gear as I was just grabbing from the guy at the gym before. It's also the standard here for trt. I just remember feeling good.

 

[Jim2561]

Hard to really pinpoint. This was 20 years ago. I just remember everyone trashing cypionate like it was inferior to enanthenate. I was young and getting my info from gym pros. Doing 19 nor solo etc. Couldn't really afford proper cycles. Then this guy i was getting from was like yeah I don't have enanthenate ill sell you this cypionate its my personal stash, 20ml bottle for a good price. No label or anything. It hit the spot. I guess just with all the shit talk about cyp made it more interesting. Maybe it was properly dosed gear as I was just grabbing from the guy at the gym before. It's also the standard here for trt. I just remember feeling good.

Thanks for clarifying. Alot of people think its splitting hairs between Ethanate/Cypionate but the 'Test E Pip' phenomenon appears alive and well. Maybe its because im using a new carrier oil (MCT) and itll take a bit of time. Do see a difference though between Sustanon regarding libido/mood thus far. Will see how it goes for a few more weeks.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I’ve seen multiple reports of a batch of Test-E vials that was initially pipless, start causing pip 6 months or a year later. Something in it gets worse with age. Don’t know if it’s oxidation or some other type of degradation.

I will have first hand experience over the next few years. Have a bunch of test e vials in my fridge with minimal to no pip. And have a bunch of test e raw from a year ago that I've yet to use. Bought it all before I knew about all the issues with e. Should have gone with D or C

 

[Ghoul]

I will have first hand experience over the next few years. Have a bunch of test e vials in my fridge with minimal to no pip. And have a bunch of test e raw from a year ago that I've yet to use. Bought it all before I knew about all the issues with e. Should have gone with D or C

If it’s oil oxidation (maybe a reaction with something in problematic test-e raws that accelerates it?) refrigerating slows carrier oil oxidation by 90%+

Won’t help us prove the theory but would benefit your stash for sure.

Slowing oil oxidation settled any lingering questions in my mind about whether cold storage of oils provides any benefit.

“Cool, dark, good for years” was the mantra forever, but taking oxidation into account colder than “cool” is worth the effort for minimizing the inflammatory potential of oils.

 

[xrayphoton13]

If it’s oil oxidation (maybe a reaction with something in problematic test-e raws that accelerates it?) refrigerating slows carrier oil oxidation by 90%+

Won’t help us prove the theory but would benefit your stash for sure.

Slowing oil oxidation settled any lingering questions in my mind about whether cold storage of oils provides any benefit.

“Cool, dark, good for years” was the mantra for years, but taking oxidation into account colder than “cool” is worth the effort for minimizing the inflammatory potential of oils.

I'm really debating placing the raw test e powder in the freezer to slow any degradation as well. A little concerned about moisture but hopefully the vacuum seal doesn't fail

 

[Ghoul]

I'm really debating placing the raw test e powder in the freezer to slow any degradation as well. A little concerned about moisture but hopefully the vacuum seal doesn't fail

This applies to every chemical, oil, raws, tablets, peptides: the colder it is, the slower chemical reactions are. The root cause of degradation.

The only complicating factors are

1) Preventing condensation like you pointed out. Even with something sealed, like vials, or tablets in blister packs, seal it again somehow. I use cheap Mylar vacuum bags and heat seal them, Double bagged even better (just in case one layer fails). You don’t need desiccant (but it won’t hurt). For powders and tablets oxygen eater packs will help for very long term storage. Don’t *vacuum* seal a bag with vials though, the negative pressure difference will try to pull oil out of the vial. Always let bags fully come to room temp before opening to prevent condensation.

2) Things damaged by crystallization of moisture in the product. Doesn’t apply to oils, raws, powders. Since I don’t know which tablets are vulnerable I take the safe route by refrigerating but not freezing, even though freezing would delay degradation much longer.