The T3/T4 Trap: How Thyroid Hormones Destroy Your Hard-Earned Muscle

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Cormac Mannion (Type-IIx)

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Friday, October 03 2025

Introduction

Key Takeaways

Key Takeaways

  1. Exogenous T3 significantly breaks down muscle protein
  2. T3 selectively destroys growth-responsive type IIA muscle fibers
  3. GH naturally increases peripheral conversion of T4 to T3, which is beneficial
  4. The reduction in serum T4 from GH use is typically not problematic for healthy individuals
  5. Thyroid hormone supplementation is irrational for bodybuilders as it accelerates muscle loss
  6. Exogenous GH cannot cause central hypothyroidism but may reveal pre-existing conditions
  7. Thyroid hormone misuse carries serious health risks including cardiac arrhythmias
  8. Common bodybuilding practices of using T3 deep into competition prep can be extremely destructive to muscle mass
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Introduction

Here’s another Q&A format article that was asked by a user in the Team Ampouletude Telegram group and led to a fruitful discussion… and fleeting references to still widespread bad practices among bodybuilders with respect to thyroid hormone use… something so destructive to muscle mass deep into prep when it’s typically applied… commonly with a hand-wave to the effect that “he’s on Halo, he won’t notice any muscle loss…

Thyroid hormone is potently muscle catabolic. It chews through muscle aggressively and selectively, especially the growth-responsive type II fibers.

Question

Since exogenous growth hormone (exogenous GH) reduces serum T4, should a healthy bodybuilder supplement exogenous T4 (Levothyroxine; Synthroid; Tiromel) or T3 (Liothyronine; Cytomel) as a rule with exogenous GH?

Definitions

T3: Triiodothyronine

T3 (exogenous) [Cytomel, LT3]: Liothyronine

T4: Thyroxine

T4 (exogenous) [Tiromel, Synthroid, LT4]: Levothyroxine

T3 in its endogenous (triiodothyronine) and exogenous (liothyronine) form is the actively catabolic hormone among the thyroid hormones (e.g., T2, T3, T4). T4, despite some endogenous effects, for enhanced bodybuilding discussion is effectively the prodrug to the active T3.

fT3; FT3: free T3, the bioactive fraction in blood

RMR: resting metabolic rate

REE: resting energy expenditure

UCP: uncoupling protein

LBM: lean body mass

Dose-Response

Metabolic Rate

Given a seventy-five microgram (75 µg) Cytomel dose (daily for 14 days):

  • fT3 increased by 1.7-fold
  • RMR increased by 15% (adjusted for LBM)
  • UCP2 increased 1.7-fold and UCP3 increased 2.4-fold. [1]
A trend was also seen for a direct correlation between REE/LBM and increases in fT3 levels, with an average 0.11 kcal/kg/d increase in REE/LBM for each 10 pg/dL increase in fT3.

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That is my view, yes. Tren is the most anticatabolic steroid but it’s not like it cancels out the fact you took thyroid hormone, you know? It doesn’t block synthroid’s protein breakdown because thyroid hormone’s not an antiandrogen, it breaks down protein by different routes, basically. Tren still has to claw back what it would not have had to otherwise

So..to sum things up, your recommendation is to not take any t3/t4 unless one is hypo?
 
Was your thyroid panel ok even before starting it? Just trying to eliminate the chance that you were hypothyroid before starting it

How much T4 you taking?
My thyroid panel was totally normal as a natural and prior to using thyroid medications while using gh/anabolics. adding t3 and ending t3 use caused my thyroid to become out of range (lower than reference range). I took 100mcg T4 in the past, and now 50mcg T4. After finishing this rebound phase and off season push with 50mcg, I will be able to compare the effects of the dose long term with reverse diet phase and surplus. As of now Im uncertain about which dose will provide better results.
 
So..to sum things up, your recommendation is to not take any t3/t4 unless one is hypo?
maybe i have a different view at it, and probably why i didnt find it effective.

but i see thyroid hormones as something that is abused in a bodybuilding context complementary to anabolics:

hence they themselves just speed things up, and as type2 says, in most cases it will speed up muscle protein breakdown more than muscle protein synthesis.

they key here is they increase protein synthesis still, so if you're taking enough anabolics but dont have enough protein synthesis. they can be complementary and gotta be used very smartly.

tldr; they are not anabolic in themselves they just amplify speed. but if used correctly you can tip the increased speed with anabolics to more muscle protein synthesis and less muscle protein breakdown.

they dont help you raise muscle building ceiling. they help you reach it faster if you're in extremely anabolic state, think heavy surplus, heavy protein intake, heavy high aas load, much hgh and insulin.

so the answer i think will be different from person to person. most people will probably end up using something long term like mentioned in his article and use too much when they're not in favorable anabolic state. but rather tip the increased protein synthesis to the muscle protein breakdown when they're in a catabolic state.

adding t3/t4 to a diet is a trap, forced increased metabolism will eat at your muscles expense!

but do it correctly? and you're doing advanced ifbb pro stuff
 
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Author

Cormac Mannion (Type-IIx)

Date

Friday, October 03 2025

Introduction

Key Takeaways

Key Takeaways

  1. Exogenous T3 significantly breaks down muscle protein
  2. T3 selectively destroys growth-responsive type IIA muscle fibers
  3. GH naturally increases peripheral conversion of T4 to T3, which is beneficial
  4. The reduction in serum T4 from GH use is typically not problematic for healthy individuals
  5. Thyroid hormone supplementation is irrational for bodybuilders as it accelerates muscle loss
  6. Exogenous GH cannot cause central hypothyroidism but may reveal pre-existing conditions
  7. Thyroid hormone misuse carries serious health risks including cardiac arrhythmias
  8. Common bodybuilding practices of using T3 deep into competition prep can be extremely destructive to muscle mass
Share

Introduction

Here’s another Q&A format article that was asked by a user in the Team Ampouletude Telegram group and led to a fruitful discussion… and fleeting references to still widespread bad practices among bodybuilders with respect to thyroid hormone use… something so destructive to muscle mass deep into prep when it’s typically applied… commonly with a hand-wave to the effect that “he’s on Halo, he won’t notice any muscle loss…

Thyroid hormone is potently muscle catabolic. It chews through muscle aggressively and selectively, especially the growth-responsive type II fibers.

Question


Definitions

T3: Triiodothyronine

T3 (exogenous) [Cytomel, LT3]: Liothyronine

T4: Thyroxine

T4 (exogenous) [Tiromel, Synthroid, LT4]: Levothyroxine

T3 in its endogenous (triiodothyronine) and exogenous (liothyronine) form is the actively catabolic hormone among the thyroid hormones (e.g., T2, T3, T4). T4, despite some endogenous effects, for enhanced bodybuilding discussion is effectively the prodrug to the active T3.

fT3; FT3: free T3, the bioactive fraction in blood

RMR: resting metabolic rate

REE: resting energy expenditure

UCP: uncoupling protein

LBM: lean body mass

Dose-Response

Metabolic Rate

Given a seventy-five microgram (75 µg) Cytomel dose (daily for 14 days):

  • fT3 increased by 1.7-fold
  • RMR increased by 15% (adjusted for LBM)
  • UCP2 increased 1.7-fold and UCP3 increased 2.4-fold. [1]


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Considering that I lack a thyroid gland, I'll continue taking exogenous thyroid hormone. The alternative for me is to die. I take T4, which will convert in the body to T3. My T3, T4, and TSH levels fall within the normal range. As a result, I cannot blame my lack of muscularity on the exogenous thyroid hormone.

I used to have to maintain an intentionally hyperthyroid state to fight off a return of thyroid cancer. Due to changes in health recommendations concerning thyroid cancer and the passage of time without me experiencing recurrences, I no longer have to be hyperthyroid. I remember asking the doctors about whether me being hyperthyroid would interfered with muscle development. They always looked at me like I was crazy.

Thanks for the post.
 
I tried T3 once and said never again. Makes you look like shit, flat, no pumps, and I finished the cut looking worse then I started just leaner but lost a lot.

T4 I have mixed feelings on it. Used it years ago and never did after but lately I was considering it a little bit.
I can agree with that, I kind of have the will power to power through it. As most of my natural training was with a TT of 313 and FT being under reference. So I never felt full/pumped, years like that and I never understood the "pump" at the time. When I used 300mg test, bro I actually feared my bicep would explode, like literally can't even squeeze it anymore. Felt amazing. Wonder how orals feel like.

So after hoping on gear and then used t3 at the higher doses, u rly feel like u hit a wall in terms of progress and enjoyment in the gym. However I'm used to it so I didn't mind it. But the flatness is the biggest difference, It can make an you like ur natural within a week of using it.
 
Hello guys I have a question for you veterans in here.
I’m soon starting a 1600cal a day phase that will last about 5 weeks and my coach wants me to take 4 weeks 25mcg of t3 and last week 100mcg of t4 just to maintain regular thyroid activity. What do you guys think? I know it’s a little dose but do I still risk losing muscle?
 
Hello guys I have a question for you veterans in here.
I’m soon starting a 1600cal a day phase that will last about 5 weeks and my coach wants me to take 4 weeks 25mcg of t3 and last week 100mcg of t4 just to maintain regular thyroid activity. What do you guys think? I know it’s a little dose but do I still risk losing muscle?
Well the general consensus is that.
Yes, you can lose muscle on 25 mcg T3 in 4 weeks, even if it’s “a little dose.” Specially with your calorie intake.

But I also think that AAS dose also matter, higher doses blunt the loss but don’t erase it, and they multiply cardiovascular risk when combined with thyroid. But for example if you’re using TRT doses, you’re probably more prone to catabolism.

Why not use clen instead of jumping on thyroid tho?

If your goal is just to burn more fat on a 1600 kcal cut and you’re worried about losing muscle, clenbuterol is generally the lesser evil compared to T3.

Even “low” doses of T3 (25 mcg) raise basal metabolic rate but also accelerate muscle protein breakdown.

Clenbuterol, at moderate doses (say 80–120 mcg/day with electrolytes managed), increases lipolysis and thermogenesis but does not directly increase protein breakdown the way T3 does. It will still stress your heart and CNS, but it’s far less catabolic to muscle than T3.

Not recommending either but wanted to give you a different perspective, than thinking T3 could be the answer.
 
Well the general consensus is that.
Yes, you can lose muscle on 25 mcg T3 in 4 weeks, even if it’s “a little dose.” Specially with your calorie intake.

But I also think that AAS dose also matter, higher doses blunt the loss but don’t erase it, and they multiply cardiovascular risk when combined with thyroid. But for example if you’re using TRT doses, you’re probably more prone to catabolism.

Why not use clen instead of jumping on thyroid tho?

If your goal is just to burn more fat on a 1600 kcal cut and you’re worried about losing muscle, clenbuterol is generally the lesser evil compared to T3.

Even “low” doses of T3 (25 mcg) raise basal metabolic rate but also accelerate muscle protein breakdown.

Clenbuterol, at moderate doses (say 80–120 mcg/day with electrolytes managed), increases lipolysis and thermogenesis but does not directly increase protein breakdown the way T3 does. It will still stress your heart and CNS, but it’s far less catabolic to muscle than T3.

Not recommending either but wanted to give you a different perspective, than thinking T3 could be the answer.
The thing is I’m still natural! Lol so I guess even at such a low dose I’d still be exposed to muscle loss
 
The thing is I’m still natural! Lol so I guess even at such a low dose I’d still be exposed to muscle loss
Let me put things into perspective, I’m using high test/tren/mast/hgh and still at risk at muscle loss on T3. Naturally you have no chance, keep muscle naturally is already difficult as in.

i’m wondering why you’re coach recommended t3. The deficit itself already lowers thyroid as a muscle-sparing adaptation. Adding T3 removes that brake.

If you’re natural, you’re much better off using caffeine, ephedrine, or simply tightening diet/cardio, these raise expenditure mostly through the sympathetic nervous system, not by dismantling contractile protein.

In conclusion IMO, for a natural lifter, low-dose T3 isn’t “fathomable” in the sense of being a safe, routine tool.
 
maybe i have a different view at it, and probably why i didnt find it effective.

but i see thyroid hormones as something that is abused in a bodybuilding context complementary to anabolics:

hence they themselves just speed things up, and as type2 says, in most cases it will speed up muscle protein breakdown more than muscle protein synthesis.

they key here is they increase protein synthesis still, so if you're taking enough anabolics but dont have enough protein synthesis. they can be complementary and gotta be used very smartly.

tldr; they are not anabolic in themselves they just amplify speed. but if used correctly you can tip the increased speed with anabolics to more muscle protein synthesis and less muscle protein breakdown.

they dont help you raise muscle building ceiling. they help you reach it faster if you're in extremely anabolic state, think heavy surplus, heavy protein intake, heavy high aas load, much hgh and insulin.

so the answer i think will be different from person to person. most people will probably end up using something long term like mentioned in his article and use too much when they're not in favorable anabolic state. but rather tip the increased protein synthesis to the muscle protein breakdown when they're in a catabolic state
Well is muscle protein being broken down in a surplus?
I think this is important to consider. In the context of moderate off season use of t4 we should basically be reasonably safe from the muscle being catabolized if you’re meeting recovery needs.

What I’ve noticed is that yes if increases the speed, and also the quality— my metabolism seems to be improved and so it seems like I grow much leaner too.

Im not saying it allowing for greater nutrient partitioning or something like this, but it almost gives a similar outcome to gh in the off season in terms of visual & muscle vs fat gains. I want to differentiate that from the water gains, and the recovery increases, blood glucose changes etc that gh will bring.
Hello guys I have a question for you veterans in here.
I’m soon starting a 1600cal a day phase that will last about 5 weeks and my coach wants me to take 4 weeks 25mcg of t3 and last week 100mcg of t4 just to maintain regular thyroid activity. What do you guys think? I know it’s a little dose but do I still risk losing muscle?
you should probably hire a coach that you don’t need to ask strangers on a forum to confirm his protocols. Personally I tried up to 25 and wasn’t a fan. My coach and I used once and never again. On the other hand I know guys who run a lot of t3 and dont have any complaints.

Natural being asked to use unnecessary thyroid meds lol. Come on now, how is that natural ?
 
Well is muscle protein being broken down in a surplus?
yes
I think this is important to consider. In the context of moderate off season use of t4 we should basically be reasonably safe from the muscle being catabolized if you’re meeting recovery needs.
you're being more anabolic than catabolic so you end with net surplus in muscle gain
What I’ve noticed is that yes if increases the speed, and also the quality— my metabolism seems to be improved and so it seems like I grow much leaner too.

Im not saying it allowing for greater nutrient partitioning or something like this, but it almost gives a similar outcome to gh in the off season in terms of visual & muscle vs fat gains.
this is what im talking about! abusing it in a anabolic(growing state) surplus + heavy ass and you're tipping the scales of increased speed(metabolism) to anabolism(muscle protein synthesis) rather than muscle protein breakdown(catabolism).
I want to differentiate that from the water gains, and the recovery increases, blood glucose changes etc that gh will bring.
seems like we completely agree bro
 
Well is muscle protein being broken down in a surplus?
I think this is important to consider. In the context of moderate off season use of t4 we should basically be reasonably safe from the muscle being catabolized if you’re meeting recovery needs.

What I’ve noticed is that yes if increases the speed, and also the quality— my metabolism seems to be improved and so it seems like I grow much leaner too.

Im not saying it allowing for greater nutrient partitioning or something like this, but it almost gives a similar outcome to gh in the off season in terms of visual & muscle vs fat gains. I want to differentiate that from the water gains, and the recovery increases, blood glucose changes etc that gh will bring.

you should probably hire a coach that you don’t need to ask strangers on a forum to confirm his protocols. Personally I tried up to 25 and wasn’t a fan. My coach and I used once and never again. On the other hand I know guys who run a lot of t3 and dont have any complaints.

Natural being asked to use unnecessary thyroid meds lol. Come on now, how is that natural ?
Lol I don’t care about being natural. My coach literally said “by adding t3 we just want your thyroid to continue working as if you’re in a maintenance while eating 1600 calories.” I’m just asking questions because I came around this thread
 

According to Mr. Rea, biochemist​

THYROID HORMONES​

Thyroid hormones were most likely one of the most misunderstood and underrated drug groups in the bodybuilder’s so-called arsenal. Based upon personal experiences, they certainly increased the rate and efficiency of fat loss during diet periods. And they acted synergistically to increase the rate of lean tissue growth during mass gaining periods….if used correctly.

The noted positive physiological effects of reasonable dosages of thyroid hormones included:​

*Increased protein synthesis rate.

*Increased rate of fat oxidation.

*Increased sensitivity of receptors for androgens, Insulin, GH, IGF-1, PGE-1, PGF-2, Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Creatine, and others.

*Increased metabolization of proteins, carbohydrates, fats and micronutrients.

*Increased metabolic rate and calories expenditure.

*Enhanced oxygen consumption by most body tissues

*Improved recovery time.

The noted negative physiological effects of excessive dosages of thyroid hormones included:​

*Loss of lean mass tissue.

*Increased heart rate and palpitations.

*Insomnia.

*Diarrhea.

*Vomiting.

Thyroid hormones govern the body’s metabolic rate. This means that the metabolism of nutrients and subsequent cellular utilization or storage rate is dependent upon blood circulatory thyroid hormone levels. Higher levels result in elevated over all metabolic rate providing that other metabolic factors are accommodated also.

THYROID HORMONES AND CALORIE EXPENDITURE​

Those who are familiar with, or have read the section on DNP are aware of the term “oxidative phosphorylation”. This is a process by which cells/mitochondria convert ADP (Adenosine Diphosphate) into ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate). Basically this means adding another phosphate molecule to ADP so that it can be converted back into the body’s energy /ATP. But the term keeps kids flunking biology anyway. DNP makes cells waste calories and burn fat by “uncoupling” the oxidative phosphorylation process and making it less efficient, even when at rest.

Thyroid hormones are powerful uncouplers of oxidative phosphorylation. However this is a different method of action than that induced by DNP. Thyroid

hormones increase cell/mitochondrial substrate oxidation by effecting both cytochrome-C reducers and cytochrome-C oxidizers. This increases metabolic rate and substrate (nutrient/food) use as fuel for either ATP or heat production. Heat production by a cell is referred to as thermalgenesis, in this case the conversion of fat into heat. Though other substrates such as glucose /glycogen can be used for heat production also under adverse conditions.

THYROID HORMONES AND FAT OXIDATION​

Fat oxidation or thermalgenesis involves the conversion of fat calories into heat. In the case of thermalgenesis caused by thyroid hormones it is due to “special uncoupling proteins” found in fat, muscle, and organs called UCP-3. Two things before we continue here. First UCP-3 stands for uncoupling protein -3 (big deal) and “special” refers to “specific”, not “special” like the weirdo we all dated once and tried to explain later. When UCP-3 is increased, the calorie expenditure through thermalgenesis increases. But decreases will result in an increase in fat stores. As example, supraphysiological T-3 levels increase UCP-3 600 % and below normal levels results in a 300 % decrease. This is why calorie restricted diets significantly decrease in results after 2-4 weeks. The body down-regulates thyroid hormone production to save calories and reduce calorie expenditure as heat. The result is less UCP-3 and slower metabolism.

Thermalgenesis and oxidative phosphorylation uncoupling is the reason athletes used synthetic thyroid hormones during calorie restricted or diet phases. The individuals were able to ingest more calories than normal while still burning fat. It should be noted that a minimum of 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight was ingested daily during exogenous thyroid hormone use to prevent excessive muscle catabolism or loss. Athletes commonly stacked adrenalgenic beta-agonist drugs like Clenbuterol, Ephedrine/Norephedrine, or Fenoterol to increase UCP-3 levels and act synergistically with thyroid hormones to favor fat oxidation and reduce muscle loss. DNP was another option commonly used as well. Obviously, anabolic/androgenic steroids, Insulin, GH, and other growth enhancement drugs were commonly stacked with thyroid hormones too.

THYROID HORMONES ARE ANABOLIC​

Many athletes were not aware of the fact that thyroid hormones are a true form of absolute anabolic. The usual method of employment for thyroid hormones was during pre-contest periods. Obviously, this is because increased thyroid hormone levels means elevated metabolic rate and resulting increased calorie expenditure or use. This explanation itself suggests the noted anabolic potential.

Thyroid hormones govern or regulate our metabolic-rate or metabolism. Metabolic rate is the speed or rate at which all chemical and physical processes occur. This is true of every living cell in our bodies. This means that the rate of nutrient metabolism, absorption, and utilization is vastly dependent upon thyroid hormones. In

fact the levels of thyroid hormones in our body determines if the food we eat is stored as adipose (fat) tissue, utilized for regeneration and building, or burned as heat /energy. How often have you heard some whale claim “it’s glandular” as they stuff another box of donuts in their mouth? In some cases it is actually the truth. So fix it!! Low thyroid hormone levels slow the healing / growth process while increasing fat stores. Overly high thyroid hormone level results in tissue catabolism or wasting. But thyroid hormone levels matched to nutrient supply and demand were commonly considered to be seriously anabolic. Remember, training and chemical muscle enhancement protocols created a massive nutrient demand. If thyroid hormone levels are too low, no amount of calories will be an adequate supply simply because they are not metabolized at the necessary rate. This is why athletes often got needlessly big-time fat. They ate to keep up with major muscle chemistry, but failed to provide a metabolic rate to match.

*The administration of thyroid hormones should be under a doctors care only.

WHY ARE THYROID HORMONES ANABOLIC?​

Thyroid hormones trigger the release of fat stores so other cells can convert the long chain triglycerides (fat) into heat, energy, ATP. By increasing ATP, muscle cells are better able to regenerate, and do so at an increased rate. Thyroid hormones increase creatine transport and increase androgen/GH/IGF-1/IGF-2 receptor-site sensitivity. Thyroid hormones increase the rate of nutrient metabolism, absorption, and utilization. Gee, sounds like the perfect growth environment to me when considering the fact that growing children do this naturally so well. It also meant major chemical muscle enhancement synergy for those whom reported use.

Many would be surprised to realize how many top bodybuilders remained “on cycle” with thyroid hormones all year long. This allowed maximum growth and recovery rates while preventing excessive fat accumulation even in the very brief “off season”.

The difference in diet and mass phases was dosage, though some altered the term dosage to mean “available”. Why did they include thyroid hormones in their mass stacks?

Thyroid hormones can have a re-partitioning effect upon body composition or muscle-to-fat ratio. As example were the many athletes whose weight was 250 LBS but only 10% bodyfat when total daily circulating thyroid hormone levels were elevated 10- 50%. This would be due to thyroid hormone activity inducing improved nutrient metabolization and cellular efficiency combined with other hormone synergy. Of course, this is what “Absolute Anabolic Phases” were all about. But those who read about” Frank

N. Steroid” already know about this effect and how it was created.

NATURAL THYROID HORMONE PRODUCTION IN HUMANS​

The thyroid is a part of the endocrine system. The endocrine system monitors and manufactures or synthesizes many hormones and hormone-like substances. For this reason, the endocrine system and its sub-systems have many built in “checks and balances” to assure proper substance ratio or synergy. It is no surprise that thyroid functions are no exception.

*Endogenous thyroid hormone production begins when neuro-input tells the hypothalamus to synthesize an release Thyroptropin -Releasing -Hormone. (TRH)

*TRH stimulates the anterior pituitary gland to release or secrete Thyroid-Stimulating- Hormone (TSH) (also referred to as Thyrotropin on some lab chem. Panels)

*When TSH contacts its receptor-sites located throughout the thyroid gland a series of enzymic reactions occur using tyrosine and iodine as substrates or raw materials to produce and/or release L-Thyroxine (T-4). This is then released into the vascular system so it can circulate. It should be noted that T-4 is an active form of thyroid hormone.

*The active T-4 circulating in the vascular system merges with receptors and triggers metabolic activity; but when it reaches the liver it is changed into the more active thyroid hormone L-Triiodothyronine (T-3) by an enzyme called 5-deiodinase. T-3 is about 5 times more active than T-4. The newly formed T-3 is released into the vascular system where it may contact and merge with cellular receptors which initiates all the metabolic activity discussed earlier.

FEED-BACK MECHANISMS and FEED-BACK LOOPS​

Of course the thyroid does not simply produce T-4 continuously. This is due to the “checks and balances” nature included called “feedback-mechanisms”. In the care of thyroid function the feedback-mechanism or loop involves the hypothalamus (secretes TRH), pituitary gland (secretes TSH), thyroid gland (secretes T-4), and the liver (converts T-4 into T-3). A feedback-mechanism or loop can trigger the release of another hormone (positive feed-back), or inhibit its release (negative feed-back) thus maintaining that balance. This means high levels of T-4 or T-3 initiate a negative feed-back loop that tells the hypothalamus to produce less TRH, and low levels of T-4 or T-3 initiate a positive feed-back loop that tells the hypothalamus to produce more TRH.

*Individuals reported the utilization of doctor prescribed blood tests for their personal average thyroid hormone levels before, during, and after thyroid drug administration as a means of base line dosage requirements and assessment.

*Thyroid gland function also regulates calcitonin which combats elevated levels of calcium.

*The normal thyroid gland (human) contains about 200 MCG of T-4, and 15 MCG of T-3 per gram)

*About 80% of circulatory T-3 comes from Monodeiodination (T-4 to T-3 liver conversion) of T-4.

*It should be noted that only “free” or unbound thyroid hormones are active and the bound form is not. When reviewing blood test results and reference ranges this is an important factor to assess. The human body normally produces about 76 MCG/daily of T- 4 and 26 MCG/daily of T-3. A mid range test result/reference would express these approximate averages. Over 99% circulating hormones are bound. Thyroid Binding Globulin (TBg) Thyroid binding pre albumin (TBPA) and albumin (TBA) .

HEALTHY THYROID HORMONE REFERENCE RANGES​

TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone Serum/Plasma 2-10 M U/L T-4 (L-Thyroxine) Total serum 65-155 NMOL/L

T-4 (L-Thyroxine) Free Serum 0.8-2.4 NG/DL (or) 10-31 PMOL/L TBG (Thyroxine Binding Globulin ) Serum 15.0-34.0 MG/L

    1. (L-Triiodothyronine) Serum 100-200 NG/DL (or) 1.54-3.08 MMOL/L T-3 (L-Triiodothyronine) Serum 260-480 PG/DL (or) 4.0-7.4 PMOL/4L

NOTES OF INTERESTS​

*According to researchers, calorie restricted periods that provide less than 2 grams of complete protein per pound of bodyweight daily during thyroid drug administration usually resulted in weight loss consisting of 75% fat and 25 % muscle in most cases.

*The 5-deiodinase enzyme activity necessary for liver conversion of T-4 into T-3 requires adequate levels of zinc and selenium. During calorie restricted periods lasting more than 2-3 weeks T-4 conversion to the more active T-3 decreases dramatically greatly reducing fat loss. Adequate zinc intake and absorption prevents the decline in 5- deiodinase that causes this negative by about 67% and adequate selenium levels prevents the decline by about 47%. Obviously both in sufficient amounts are best.

*Thyroid hormones were commonly cycled with Insulin, AAS, GH, IGF-1, PGF-2, Ephedrine, Clenbuterol, and other drugs by athletes.
 
Personally when I was 20, about 30 years ago with 3-400mcg max of T4 a day and few steroids on me, I was ripped, I never tired, I was always hungry and at night I could eat even 4 large bowls of ice cream with related croissants
 
Many would be surprised to realize how many top bodybuilders remained “on cycle” with thyroid hormones all year long. This allowed maximum growth and recovery rates while preventing excessive fat accumulation even in the very brief “off season”
Implying long-term T3 or “being on” thyroid year-round is a growth hack. Chronic TSH suppression (even subclinical) is associated with ~2× higher atrial-fibrillation risk and measurable bone loss over time; that’s the opposite of “safe massing.”
 
Implying long-term T3 or “being on” thyroid year-round is a growth hack. Chronic TSH suppression (even subclinical) is associated with ~2× higher atrial-fibrillation risk and measurable bone loss over time; that’s the opposite of “safe massing.”
What would you consider a great TSH level?
 
What would you consider a great TSH level?
Below 2 and above 0.7 it's considered optimal
Well I guess I got rough numbers I'd consider optimal depending on the context.

If I'm cruising and on some maintenance GH/T4 for example 4ius/50mcg:
I'd say 0.7 - 1.3, this is what I would consider perfect

If I'm blasting HGH like 8ius+:
I'd say 0.4 - 0.8, to compensate for the t3/t4 suppression

Off cycle//generally optimal:
I agree with the 0.7 - 1.8/2.0

Personally I prefer a more precise range when blasting HGH just to keep GH's effects potent and efficient
 

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