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[Sampei]

i also cleared the air with readalot on the delta 6 testosterone dosent cause pip and is most likely just gonna be like normal testosterone.

the many peaks and delta 6 testosterone suggests some oxidiation which could have caused color i dont think these auto ids with lower % are wrong, could very well be but its all testosterone byproducts which none of are dangerous anyway.

just shows a lack in QC from the lab which produced/stored it. we can tell if it was storage issue if the other lab shows good then its most likely manufacturer issue.

i deleted my thoughts before because i didnt know which one of the samples it was but thats most likely what this whole testing was about and even with lacking test results for the clean ones you can say the testing is pretty much concluded.

enjoy the TNE im gonna go grab some if the raws are still for sale

Will be nice to compare it with the other products

 

[dinfar1337]

Will be nice to compare it with the other products

now it would be funny if the white tne powder was the one contaimainted

 

[Sampei]

@B Ware you getting that GCMS on those 89% purity NPP raw right?

 

[B Ware]

@B Ware you getting that GCMS on those 89% purity NPP raw right?

Yes sir. Once I do I’ll share them here.

 

[Sampei]

Yes sir. Once I do I’ll share them here.

I'm very curious after that purity results

 

[AlexDavis43]

I'm very curious after that purity results

Curious in general? Or did you see something specific in the TNE raw GCMS that you're looking for in the NPP raw?

 

[Photon]

i also cleared the air with readalot on the delta 6 testosterone dosent cause pip and is most likely just gonna be like normal testosterone.

the many peaks and delta 6 testosterone suggests some oxidiation which could have caused color i dont think these auto ids with lower % are wrong, could very well be but its all testosterone byproducts which none of are dangerous anyway.

just shows a lack in QC from the lab which produced/stored it. we can tell if it was storage issue if the other lab shows good then its most likely manufacturer issue.

i deleted my thoughts before because i didnt know which one of the samples it was but thats most likely what this whole testing was about and even with lacking test results for the clean ones you can say the testing is pretty much concluded.

enjoy the TNE im gonna go grab some if the raws are still for sale

Im not sure how to read it lol
So I guess it's gtg based off gcms despite producing an unknown yellow color?

 

[Sampei]

Curious in general? Or did you see something specific in the TNE raw GCMS that you're looking for in the NPP raw?

in general, I don't see anything special in the TNE but we better wait for the other TNE sample to have a better understanding.

 

[dinfar1337]

So I guess it's gtg based off gcms despite producing an unknown yellow color?

yes, so far. even degraded testosterone byproducts isnt dangerous. both are kinda the same case. npp shows up as 89%, testosterone shows up as 86% but because delta 6 testosterone is so closely related to testosterone and once is metabolized in the liver becomes testosterone, the other isomers of testosterone aswell they all basically show up as test aswell and achieved that 98% on hplc.

its basically been in test e raws for yearsssss

cant say the same for npp. also cant tell on which conditions we have degraded testosterone and npp by more than 10%.

but for tne its whatever g2g

 

[Photon]

yes, so far. even degraded testosterone byproducts isnt dangerous. both are kinda the same case. npp shows up as 89%, testosterone shows up as 86% but because delta 6 testosterone is so closely related to testosterone and once is metabolized in the liver becomes testosterone, the other isomers of testosterone aswell they all basically show up as test aswell and achieved that 98% on hplc.

cant say the same for npp. also cant tell on which conditions we have degraded testosterone and npp by more than 10%.

but for tne its whatever g2g

Basically the true purity of just TNE is much lower, but since it all converts to test, it's not a big deal.

 

[dinfar1337]

Basically the true purity of just TNE is much lower, but since it all converts to test, it's not a big deal.

got it,

the delta 6 test is basically testosterone, so its been degraded by 14% and the raws really are bad but for testosterone it dosent matter.

shows a poor "QC" by the lab. with both test and npp wouldnt be surprised if it was all the raws

 

[Photon]

got it,

the delta 6 test is basically testosterone, so its been degraded by 14% and the raws really are bad but for testosterone it dosent matter.

shows a poor "QC" by the lab. with both test and npp wouldnt be surprised if it was all the raws

OEP also has test raws contaminated by 5 percent TNE. I wonder if there's a way to get a more accurate calc via hplc

 

[dinfar1337]

tldr; even in your own body some of your testosterone will turn into delta 6 test we have known this since 1980s/1990s.

but you dont want this in a lab setting because they have a degradation factor which is affecting everything else.

 

[dinfar1337]

OEP also has test raws contaminated by 5 percent TNE. I wonder if there's a way to get a more accurate calc via hplc

im not a expert at that have to ask jano

 

[Photon]

im not a expert at that have to ask jano

Im actually wondering now how will tren degradation components be treated as in HPLC. AFAIK we have no GCMS on tren raws.

Either way

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Oct 1, 2025

Hi @janoshik

We have the following raw purity % and gcms.
Per GCMS, it looks like there are test degradation products.
Is this treated as TNE in HPLC?
Is there a way to get the true purity of just TNE?

Janoshik Analytical

Janoshik Analytical

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[dinfar1337]

Im actually wondering now how will tren degradation components be treated as in HPLC. AFAIK we have no GCMS on tren raws.

me too, we could get a better relationship on product quality if we could know if compound was 98% pure compound or 80% pure compound and 15% degradation byproducts

14% is a big deal which got written off on the tne

 

[Photon]

me too, we could get a better relationship on product quality if we could know if compound was 98% pure compound or 80% pure compound and 15% degradation byproducts

14% is a big deal which got written off on the tne

I have a few raws on the way..Im now wondering if i should just GCMS and forgo the HPLC...

 

[dinfar1337]

I have a few raws on the way..Im now wondering if i should just GCMS and forgo the HPLC...

well both have their advatanges and disadvatanges.

if i were to get one alone it would be gcms aswell. just because gcms confirms the ID although less reliable for area % and you can interprept the results for yourself

hplc works better for oils because we get oil mg/ml

both is probably best but not using too much money i would do the same as you.

100% go ahead and do gcms for your raws

 

[Photon]

well both have their advatanges and disadvatanges.

if i were to get one alone it would be gcms aswell. just because gcms confirms the ID although less reliable for area % and you can interprept the results for yourself

hplc works better for oils because we get oil mg/ml

both is probably best but not using too much money i would do the same as you

So Jano bought up a point that it might have degraded during GCMS process.

This is TNE GCMS in MIG840

Janoshik Analytical

I don't see much degradation in it, so I'm going to assume its the HPLC picking up the test degradation as TNE for raw purity %..Thoughts?

 

[dinfar1337]

So Jano bought up a point that it might have degraded during GCMS process.

no bueno gcms for oils.

gcms works best for raws but its kinda unreliable, not the point of showing 10% or above unreliable in raws. maybe 5% or lower.

both hplc and gcms works best together but if i had to choose a single one it would be

and there is no degradation ids of testosterone byproducts in that test. there might very well have been but we would never know with all these oils. tldr: the test is unreliable in oil and i have no definite answer the tne most likely got skewed by the oil matrix

hplc in oils

gcms in raws