Strongest sleep introducing options

[Photon]

In Europe we only have Quv, I think. It is relatively expensive. Heard very mixed opinions about it. Haven't tried myself yet.

I've only ever experienced sleep paralysis with Day, never with Quv. Quv is probably much safer, especially if you drive in the morning.

 

[wp_375]

I've been given "go" and "no go" pills by Uncle Sam, and while they lean heavily towards Zolpidem in that context, I was lucky to only ever use zaleplon a few times and never touch Zolpidem. Frankly I don't think I ever would either.

Zolpidem -> Almost always a nightmare to deal with. God forbid there's a reason to need to wake up early (contact/somebody doing something retarded/etc), the guys who took Ambien would be literal zombies. Less helpful than zombies. Actively unhelpful, confused, incoherent liabilities.

Zaleplon -> You could wake right up and never think you took anything. Downside is I could easily fight through it if I wanted to, didn't HAVE to sleep, and without fail I'd wake up at exactly 4 hours every time. Could easily fall back asleep if needed, but it's not going to keep you out.

Have zaleplon stocked up that I will use on rare travel occasions, and am skeptical of anything GABA related in general so make that a very rare use case, but it is by far the superior drug in that class IMO.

LOL, there's no sleep on earth like taking the Ambien and Cyclobenzaprine combo the medics hand out before sacking out on the cold ass floor of a C17 on the 14hr flight to Afghanistan. God help you if you got to wake up to piss

On the opposite end of the spectrum, some Dexadrine when you've been up for 24 hours taking contact at some shit hole OP is a godsend. Better living through chemistry!

 

[jung]

In Europe we only have Quv, I think. It is relatively expensive. Heard very mixed opinions about it. Haven't tried myself yet.

Took it for 6 months myself; unfortunately, Quviviq didn't work for me at all. Like I wasn't taking anything at 50mg.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

LOL, there's no sleep on earth like taking the Ambien and Cyclobenzaprine combo the medics hand out before sacking out on the cold ass floor of a C17 on the 14hr flight to Afghanistan. God help you if you got to wake up to piss

On the opposite end of the spectrum, some Dexadrine when you've been up for 24 hours taking contact at some shit hole OP is a godsend. Better living through chemistry!

This guy gets it

 

[deadbeef]

Any sides? Did it work from the first dose, or after taking it for 20-30 days?

Worked immediately. I'm a little tired in the morning, but it goes away within an hour of getting up.

 

[MingDao]

Took it for 6 months myself; unfortunately, Quviviq didn't work for me at all. Like I wasn't taking anything at 50mg.

That is what I read about it, but it seems to work for some.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Took it for 6 months myself; unfortunately, Quviviq didn't work for me at all. Like I wasn't taking anything at 50mg.

Looks like I’m going to have the opportunity to try Dayvigo and Quviviq. I ordered Dayvigo from India Pharma. Went to see my Doc this morning and my PA for Quviviq was immediately approved by Express Scripts.

 

[jung]

Looks like I’m going to have the opportunity to try Dayvigo and Quviviq. I ordered Dayvigo from India Pharma. Went to see my Doc this morning and my PA for Quviviq was immediately approved by Express Scripts.

Man, please keep me posted on your experience.

I really want to try Dayvigo.

Hope you find a good solution between the two. Sleep is king.

 

[VidMc]

Sounds crazy but i read a book. 30min and iam gone. What also helps is asking my girl about her day. 10min and iam gone.

 

[verylargeshoes]

Looks like I’m going to have the opportunity to try Dayvigo and Quviviq. I ordered Dayvigo from India Pharma. Went to see my Doc this morning and my PA for Quviviq was immediately approved by Express Scripts.

Same here. They're okay. It's definitely a different vibe from Ambien. Z drugs drop the anvil on you but it's not like feeling sleepy. It's like getting roofied. For me, the DORAs feel like actually being tired and sleepy. You just have to plan ahead and have an empty stomach, and then it takes 30-60min to kick in. I definitely have to take a double dose, though.

I can push through the Ambien haze if my brain is feeling stubborn, though that is universally a bad idea. I either snack, or buy something on Amazon I don't need, or say some incredibly stupid shit, or all 3. It seems a bit harder to shrug off the DORA sleepiness. I never felt hung over next day from Ambien, so I can't say they're better in that regard. But they're not worse.

Let us know how they work for you!

 

[ineffectual]

I have a friend who takes promethazine daily for dizziness. Thank you for this info.

Antihistamines are a bad move for sleep now.

The first-generation, sedating antihistamines are all cholinergics. The data are really clear that use of cholinergics contributes to dementia risk in a cumulative manner. The risk increases for everyone, and if dementia was already in the cards, the onset can be sped up and the severity can be increased. A Benadryl during an allergy attack is one thing, but every night is a different beast.

The common ones are diphenhydramine (Benadryl), doxylamine (Unisom), dimenhydrinate (Dramamine), hydroxyzine, chlorpheniramine, promethazine, and so on.

They also really fuck with sleep architecture, so it may end up making the problem worse.

 

[ineffectual]

In some early research, there are disturbing "signals" that widely used Gaba related compounds, including Gabapentin and Pregabalin are leading to some bad long term outcomes neurologically.

What are are the long term outcomes? with light use or like an everyday use?

 

[RedRocket]

Hello,
which (preferably avaiable) drugs are sleep introducing and not just sleeping pills? I've used some time ago baclofen but I would prefer stuff where I really fall asleep. Any options?

Trazodone, Mirtazapine, not a drug but L-Theanine works well for me and lots of other people I know.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Same here. They're okay. It's definitely a different vibe from Ambien. Z drugs drop the anvil on you but it's not like feeling sleepy. It's like getting roofied. For me, the DORAs feel like actually being tired and sleepy. You just have to plan ahead and have an empty stomach, and then it takes 30-60min to kick in. I definitely have to take a double dose, though.

I can push through the Ambien haze if my brain is feeling stubborn, though that is universally a bad idea. I either snack, or buy something on Amazon I don't need, or say some incredibly stupid shit, or all 3. It seems a bit harder to shrug off the DORA sleepiness. I never felt hung over next day from Ambien, so I can't say they're better in that regard. But they're not worse.

Let us know how they work for you!

The Doc prescribed 25mg. The first night 25mg actually kept me from falling asleep. After 2.5 hours I took a second pill and that did the trick. 8.5 hours sleep according to my sleep tracking device. Second night (last night) I took 50mg and I got 7.5 hours. From what I’ve read it takes about 1 week for it to start working and 3 weeks for it to shine.

What I like most about it so far is it isn’t like Ambien or Zopi. Those two turn me off like a machine and turn me back on in 8 hours. Which is kind of freaky. Quviviq just keeps me sleepy throughout the night for 7-8 hours. So if I wake to pee I’m back to sleep fast.

 

[verylargeshoes]

What I like most about it so far is it isn’t like Ambien or Zopi. Those two turn me off like a machine and turn me back on in 8 hours. Which is kind of freaky. Quviviq just keeps me sleepy throughout the night for 7-8 hours. So if I wake to pee I’m back to sleep fast.

Ambien was super effective for going to sleep, but not so great at sleep maintenance. I think Zopi/Eszopy/Lunesta did a bit better at that. But, yeah, nothing like natural sleep.

I had missed that the DORAs get more effective over time — thanks for mentioning that. I’ll give them a longer runway. I’d been trying them out here and there one or two nights a week.

I’m glad you’re responding so well to Quviviq. When sleep sucks, everything sucks.

I was on an antidepressant a year or two ago that was a life changer. It was like being as energized as you can be without freaking people out, mind working fast but not racing, boundless energy, without being all the way into mania. Cocaine without the crash and general assholery. Laser focus at work without being over focused like Ritalin or Adderall. The fucking Limitless pill. But I couldn’t sleep, ever. 50mg Ambien - nope. Triple Dayvigo dose - nope. Trazodone, second third fourth fifth line sleep aids - nope. Eventually it just burned me out and I had to drop it. Saddest day of my life.

That’s my Flowers for Algernon one man show, thank you for coming.

 

[Tdeck81]

I saw gabapentin listed earlier in the thread. I used it long term for nerve pain and it works, but I developed some short term cognitive issues. Could have been due to a high dose, 1800mg if I recall correctly? Worth a try though

 

[Ghoul]

To follow up on Photon's note - Where would you put the risk/reward on something like pregabalin or gabapentin compared to something like zaleplon?

In my mind I can't even remotely consider these to be recommended daily, but as a "nuclear sleep option" once in a while, curious if you think any of those are on a risk continuum, or if you'd prefer some other option entirely.

Instinctively I'd think anything that you "feel" so potently like a sleep med is inherently riskier because it's such an unnatural effect, but that's just a gut feeling and I haven't done any work to back it up.

On the other hand, when used properly ("proper",in my opinion), sleep meds are a last resort and taken sparingly. For me if it's 2-3 a month it's unusual.

Gabapentin otoh seems like it's normally used daily by many, so even if risk is lower, exposure is far higher; making potential for damage much more significant.

Finally, I'd say of the Z meds, Zaleplon does seem to have the best safety record, and its short acting, non-lingering effects are probably a clue as to why.

 

[Photon]

The Doc prescribed 25mg. The first night 25mg actually kept me from falling asleep. After 2.5 hours I took a second pill and that did the trick. 8.5 hours sleep according to my sleep tracking device. Second night (last night) I took 50mg and I got 7.5 hours. From what I’ve read it takes about 1 week for it to start working and 3 weeks for it to shine.

What I like most about it so far is it isn’t like Ambien or Zopi. Those two turn me off like a machine and turn me back on in 8 hours. Which is kind of freaky. Quviviq just keeps me sleepy throughout the night for 7-8 hours. So if I wake to pee I’m back to sleep fast.

Wait till you try a 10mg pill of Dayvingo
Are you still on Tren?

 

[BamaCrazy]

Wait till you try a 10mg pill of Dayvingo
Are you still on Tren?

No. I dropped the Tren when my lab results came back and my liver enzymes were high.

If Dayvigo is that much stronger I’ll have to try it on a weekend. On Quviviq I wake up feeling drowsy but feel fully alert after breakfast and coffee.

 

[deadbeef]

If Dayvigo is that much stronger I’ll have to try it on a weekend. On Quviviq I wake up feeling drowsy but feel fully alert after breakfast and coffee.

If you don't like this I wouldn't try Dayvigo. It has a longer half life so it will probably be worse. It takes me about an hour to get over the morning drowsiness from Dayvigo. Totally worth it to me, though, for the great sleep.