Cloudy/Lumpy HGH

I saw you deleted that post but FYI.

Pubmed is not a highly respected source...

its a place where published studies are in a database

No different than going to a library. you can find a shit book in the non fiction area that has poor supporting evidence.


You have to be able to interpret studies, find weaknesses in how they measure outcomes, also see if there is a conflict of interest...

There are many other things to consider.

These are just a few.

^ this is Spiff trying to be romantic with me
 
Maybe things have changed but when I was in grad school, anything that made it into pubmed was usually well vetted. Pubmed was (and is) considered highly authorative:

"PubMed is a free and publicly available resource provided by the US National Library of Medicine. It covers the biomedical literature and, as the free version of MEDLINE, is highly authoritative."

Most others agree.

As to the study at hand, yes the GH was already reconstituted. Thus powder puck damage during shipping does not explain why there seems to be so much cloudy GH at the moment.

I have been using IL orange tops for quite a while and from my memory usually the product was nice and clear after giving it 10 minutes or so to reconstitute. And my IGF-1's were always good. But my current batch is somewhat cloudy and of course even at the price of $100 per kit (10 kit order) is expensive.

Thus I came back onto this forum to try and find a new source. I was recommended Sigma domestic but they are OOS and also demonstrating cloudiness. I am now looking into Opti. If you have advice (that is not "search") I would be happy to listen.

I do remember this forum as a place of highly quarrelsome discourse and it seems that that act has not changed.

This part is still 100% true

You have to be able to interpret studies, find weaknesses in how they measure outcomes, also see if there is a conflict of interest...

Pubmed is not highly authoritative. It is an online library of studies & articles, regardless if they are from bullshit journals or not. And the sheer number of bullshit journals is on the rise.

Peer review is becoming less frequent & it's interpretation less well-defined.

Tl;dr: lots of crap is on Pubmed
 
Based upon the cloudiness issue with SSA, the the current increase in difficulties with international shipments, and the excellent Janoshick results just posted for the Opti Gold tops (99.7% purity and minimal dimmers) I am going with the Opti GH.
 
Here is an interesting message I received from Opti regarding he clarity issue:

Regarding the clarity of the HGH, as long as you're using a new syringe and the correct diluent (not a generic BAC), there shouldn't be any clarity issues. I've seen cases where customers reuse the same syringe for both the BAC water and the HGH or peptides, which can affect the clarity of the product.
 
Here is an interesting message I received from Opti regarding he clarity issue:

Regarding the clarity of the HGH, as long as you're using a new syringe and the correct diluent (not a generic BAC), there shouldn't be any clarity issues. I've seen cases where customers reuse the same syringe for both the BAC water and the HGH or peptides, which can affect the clarity of the product.
Are you SERIOUS ?? Thanks for stating the obvious!!
 
I’ve ran Optitropin back in 2020 when they were 120iu grey tops. Opti has always been stellar.
I recently got black tops from Opti, and they seem to have the same cloudiness issue. Not every vial, but I’m throwing about 1/2 of them out. Do all of the ‘black tops’ come from the same factory or something?
 
I recently got black tops from Opti, and they seem to have the same cloudiness issue.
i don’t know enough about Opti’s recent growth to answer that. but i do know that others have reported cloudy GH from both Opti and SSA in the past month or so. i don’t want want to speculate, but it’s not a leap to assume there was a bad batch released in the past couple of months that a couple vendors must have got.

my own experience w Opti was positive…as are most. but as you know, cloudy shit is out there right now.
 
As part of a larger order, I purchased a HGH kit from a known supplier. Following recon with bac water, the HGH was cloudy and contained floting particulate, even after 24+ hours, some of which looked like tiny strings. I prepared additional vials with greater care and allowing temperatures to reach equilibrium, this made no difference.

After some searching, I found about a dozen individuals with this same issue from the source. When asked, the source blamed people and stated that HGH should only be reconned with sterile water and not bac water, and the fact that bac water was used is the issue.

I am hesitant to mention source name, as I am unable to post in the underground section (I made this account to get some advice on the above query).

What could be the cause of this particulate? I have attached an image of an offending vial. There are a lot more images from different people who have ordered also. Any ideas on the safety profile of such vials? None of have been used and none are planning on it. View attachment 328281
Is this the recent green top 24iu batch? I just got the green top batch in and haven’t run into this issue yet but I did have this problem with 3 vials between two separate 15iu black top kits. I tossed two of the three and used one just to see if it would kill me or make me sick. It did neither but I don’t think I’ll push my luck again.
 
I recently got black tops from Opti, and they seem to have the same cloudiness issue. Not every vial, but I’m throwing about 1/2 of them out. Do all of the ‘black tops’ come from the same factory or something?
3 of the 20 black tops I had from SSA were like that. Sounds like I got some of the same batch.
 
Will filtering it damage the GH?
I switched to platinum after using one vial from my SSA 24iu green top kit while researching and looking into this. I don’t know if the green top 24iu batch has issues but I may as well hold them a minute and see what people report.
I paid a ton for platinum 14iu kit but he guarantees every vial will be perfect or you get a refund. Platinum has always been incredible but good lawd expensive. I can’t afford to run it year round like I can SSAs stuff.
 
Is this the recent green top 24iu batch?
no. OP posted that it his batch was the black top 24iu variety. he also mentioned he read reports on their 36iu variety.

i wrapped up a run of the green / teal tops 24iu SSA growth kits about 2-3 weeks ago and there were no issues regarding clarity.
 
Nope... have tried with 2 different kids from SSA (10iu vials), both kits got light cloudy.
Will let sit overnight and make pictures tomorrow.
Sorry for the random reply, i'm not allowed to talk in steroid underground yet. I saw your reply saying that you would test lobster 310 for yourself, do you have the results? I just got my kit in and it has yellow caps instead of the white caps on his website, he informed me that this is the new 310
 
no. OP posted that it his batch was the black top 24iu variety. he also mentioned he read reports on their 36iu variety.

i wrapped up a run of the green / teal tops 24iu SSA growth kits about 2-3 weeks ago and there were no issues regarding clarity.
I figured the green tops 24iu batch was good. Haven’t heard anything bad about them and it’s an actual batch that they sent in to have tested. It came back at above 96% which is great for HGH.
So far it’s crystal clear once reconstituted. It also dissolves faster than the black tops I had. All of those were at least slightly cloudy with some being very cloudy. I tossed the really cloudy few I had that also had floaters. But even the slight cloudy ones took probably 12 hours to dissolve. The new green tops 24iu batch dissolves in minutes and and feels much more like that “good GH” you get from “domestic”
 
No.

Use a sterile .22um PES 13mm-25mm syringe filter. Flush it with .5ml BAC before use.
Have you noticed fibril/aggregates formation when trying to filter hgh? This is super annoying. This hasn’t been an issue with any other peptides!
 
Have you noticed fibril/aggregates formation when trying to filter hgh? This is super annoying. This hasn’t been an issue with any other peptides!


If you mean that's happening after filtration, That shouldn't happen.

Details of the filter you're using

Needle gauge?

What concentration is the solution you're reconstituting? ie, 10iu in 1ml etc.
 
If you mean that's happening after filtration, That shouldn't happen.

Details of the filter you're using

Needle gauge?

What concentration is the solution you're reconstituting? ie, 10iu in 1ml etc.
First tried my standard cobetter 13mm 0.1 with 0.2 prefilter that works really well with tirzepatide and always leaves a crystal clear solution.

I honestly suspected somehow it had been compromised at first because the liquid had particles similar to how the freshly reconstituted SSA 24 iu vial did. I reconstituted with 2.8ml.

I tried to refilter it with a 0.1, thinking that maybe it just got clogged or something. But this didn’t really help much.

So finally I conceded that maybe the 0.1 really was too much shear force for gh and it was more delicate than I thought, so I moved on to the 0.2 micron filter.

This was better, the solution is clearer but still there are a few floater looking things.

Using 25g 1 inch needle.

I think I can rule out a compromised filter at this stage given the fact I filtered it multiple times.
 
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