AAS for lean bulk with minimal mental sides

[247JL]

I'm looking to start my first cycle while doing a lean bulk. Up till now I've only done 300 test and Anavar.
I'm going to be upping test to 500 and I want to add in another compound. I was thinking Primo at a 2:1 ratio but research tells me that's more of a cutting compound.
What would you recommend on a lean bulk with my main concern being minimal mental side effects. I'm predisposed to anxiety and depression, though trying to work on that.

 

[Rakusa]

I imagine it comes down to the individual but for me even primo (DHT) resulted in mental changes not observed before with testosterone only. In my head I imagine scenarios where people argue/act against me and I then assert myself. Also I am harsher with stuff that annoys me, in a way that I set clearer boundaries in an act of self care, reducing emotional compatibility to others (which is good imo).

It's absolutely nothing serious, but enough for me to notice.

Just for the record.

 

[247JL]

Definitely. I've heard more of that on Mast, but not unheard of on Primo. Never know until you try unfortunately.

 

[Palifter]

Working with the very limited information you’ve provided us (no current pics, stats, cycle history, mention of diet or training etc.) I would just stick with test at 500mg. Run that solo and see how you do. Go from there.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Working with the very limited information you’ve provided us (no current pics, stats, cycle history, mention of diet or training etc.) I would just stick with test at 500mg. Run that solo and see how you do. Go from there.

Just build him a personalized cycle plan, you monkey


I vote 200 test
600 tren
200 mast

10mg of var daily(don't wanna go too crazy)

 

[LGOP528]

Just build him a personalized cycle plan, you monkey


I vote 200 test
600 tren
200 mast

10mg of var daily(don't wanna go too crazy)

For lean bulking I was thinking

1g test
50 mg Dbol a day
200 mg ment

No AI of course, wouldn’t want any of the negative side effects from it.

 

[247JL]

Working with the very limited information you’ve provided us (no current pics, stats, cycle history, mention of diet or training etc.) I would just stick with test at 500mg. Run that solo and see how you do. Go from there.

That's the plan. 500 test for 8 weeks and then add in "something" else. Diet is clean, training is 2 days on 1 day of upper/lower split due to my work schedule. 30-60 minutes of cardio at least 5x/wk. Cycle history as stated consists of test 300 and Anavar 20mg. 5'10" 180lb.
I'm very much in the discovery phase though so I doubt anyone can tell me a specific cycle. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm wondering, based on experience, what everyone feels is the best compound for a clean bulk with the least mental side effects.

 

[247JL]

For lean bulking I was thinking

1g test
50 mg Dbol a day
200 mg ment

No AI of course, wouldn’t want any of the negative side effects from it.

I'm looking at starting lighter. Any issues with half those values? Have you used those or just from knowledge?

 

[Palifter]

That's the plan. 500 test for 8 weeks and then add in "something" else. Diet is clean, training is 2 days on 1 day of upper/lower split due to my work schedule. 30-60 minutes of cardio at least 5x/wk. Cycle history as stated consists of test 300 and Anavar 20mg. 5'10" 180lb.
I'm very much in the discovery phase though so I doubt anyone can tell me a specific cycle. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm wondering, based on experience, what everyone feels is the best compound for a clean bulk with the least mental side effects.

Stick with just test imo

Also 60min of cardio a day on a bulk? Yikes

 

[LGOP528]

I'm looking at starting lighter. Any issues with half those values? Have you used those or just from knowledge?

It was a joke. You would more than likely be a water buffalo on even half those doses.

We would need to know how you aromatize testosterone before any serious answers can be given. Even after that, there is trail and error.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'm looking at starting lighter. Any issues with half those values? Have you used those or just from knowledge?

Based off this response from the ridiculous advice we gave. Your history looks like you are barely a few months in.


Have you done any reading?

All of us want "lean" gains. There is no magic formula

 

[247JL]

It was a joke. You would more than likely be a water buffalo on even half those doses.

We would need to know how you aromatize testosterone before any serious answers can be given. Even after that, there is trail and error.

200 of test had me in the mid 60s for E. .5 of Arimidex had me down to 29 on 300 of test.

 

[247JL]

Based off this response from the ridiculous advice we gave. Your history looks like you are barely a few months in.


Have you done any reading?

All of us want "lean" gains. There is no magic formula

Yes. 6 months in. Not looking for ridiculous advice. That serves no purpose and benefits nobody.

 

[247JL]

I've read a lot but I have no consensus on what bulking compound has the lowest propensity for negative mental side effects.
Since I respect the opinions and experiences here more than other sources, here is where I'm looking for advice.

 

[BigDadd7]

200 of test had me in the mid 60s for E. .5 of Arimidex had me down to 29 on 300 of test.

It sounds like you're a super aromatizer. Do you have a lot of fat?

 

[xrayphoton13]

I'm looking to start my first cycle while doing a lean bulk. Up till now I've only done 300 test and Anavar.
I'm going to be upping test to 500 and I want to add in another compound. I was thinking Primo at a 2:1 ratio but research tells me that's more of a cutting compound.
What would you recommend on a lean bulk with my main concern being minimal mental side effects. I'm predisposed to anxiety and depression, though trying to work on that.

EQ, primo, or masteron. All can be used for bulking. But I would just up the test and anavar if you are wanting to avoid mental sides. I get them from primo and mast. Or get a decent coach

 

[247JL]

It sounds like you're a super aromatizer. Do you have a lot of fat?

18%. I'm able to maintain it fairly easily. Loosing is a bit harder. End goal is 13-15. Not wanting to be super lean.

 

[247JL]

EQ, primo, or masteron. All can be used for bulking. But I would just up the test and anavar if you are wanting to avoid mental sides. I get them from primo and mast. Or get a decent coach

I'll see how that goes the first 8 weeks at least. I haven't looked too hard into a coach. My assumption was that it may be cost prohibitive but that may be off base.

 

[LGOP528]

200 of test had me in the mid 60s for E. .5 of Arimidex had me down to 29 on 300 of test.

Did you feel better at 30 or 60?

Mast and Primo are expensive right now. EQ is not the easiest for a beginner.

Stay on TRT with Anavr and get the body fat down.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I'll see how that goes the first 8 weeks at least. I haven't looked too hard into a coach. My assumption was that it may be cost prohibitive but that may be off base.

Yeah a good one is not cheap. But it sure was worth it to me. I learned A LOT