AAS for lean bulk with minimal mental sides

[247JL]

Did you feel better at 30 or 60?

Mast and Primo are expensive right now. EQ is not the easiest for a beginner.

Stay on TRT with Anavr and get the body fat down.

I didn't definitively have any side effects at either. I was having some ED in the 60s but I think it was probably more mental. Otherwise, I felt better up higher.
I'm on Cialis now and currently off the Arimidex. Lowered the test down to 150 to reset so to speak before trying to gain mass.

 

[MfgEng]

Test 500/wk eat clean and eat more than you think you can

 

[LGOP528]

I didn't definitively have any side effects at either. I was having some ED in the 60s but I think it was probably more mental. Otherwise, I felt better up higher.
I'm on Cialis now and currently off the Arimidex. Lowered the test down to 150 to reset so to speak before trying to gain mass.

You can also play with dosing frequency to adjust your E2.

It does look like you have done some reading. You scared me with that reply to my original response. lol

 

[247JL]

You can also play with dosing frequency to adjust your E2.

It does look like you have done some reading. You scared me with that reply to my original response. lol

Enough to know that I have no business doing a gram of test lol. I still have a lot to learn about different compounds and combinations. I haven't gone too in depth yet just because I know that I'm not yet interested in jumping in the deep end.
Adding a compound here or there and seeing how my body reacts is more my style. I'm in no rush to get results. Safety is #1. I'm 37 with a wife and 3 kids. Not a 20 something looking to impress chicks.
Edit...I guess I shouldn't say no rush. After all, I am here. ‍

 

[LGOP528]

Enough to know that I have no business doing a gram of test lol. I still have a lot to learn about different compounds and combinations. I haven't gone too in depth yet just because I know that I'm not yet interested in jumping in the deep end.
Adding a compound here or there and seeing how my body reacts is more my style. I'm in no rush to get results. Safety is #1. I'm 37 with a wife and 3 kids. Not a 20 something looking to impress chicks.
Edit...I guess I shouldn't say no rush. After all, I am here. ‍

I have a bunch of kids too and anything that makes me annoyed with them is off the table. It is a pretty short list. lol

 

[knucklesamich]

You could always up the Test a bit and throw in a little Proviron. You have experience with Anavar, so you have an idea of what to expect. Neither of these compounds will cause water weight, so either one may help you achieve your goal.



You can find a good bit info on Proviron here

Proviron - steroid.com

Proviron is the brand name for the steroid Mesterolone and is used by both men and women. Proviron is not capable of forming estrogen.

www.steroid.com

This site has some pretty good write-ups on AAS profiles.

One paragraph on Proviron is particularly interesting:
"On a functional basis, Proviron carries four primary traits that largely define its mode of action. First and foremost the Mesterolone hormone has a strong binding affinity to Sex-Hormone-Binding-Globulin (SHBG). In fact, it appears to be one of the strongest anabolic steroids in this regard. By binding to SHBG, a hormone partially responsible for reducing free testosterone, binding SHBG will enhance the amount of circulating free testosterone. More importantly for the anabolic steroid user, it will make a larger percentage of the anabolic steroids used available in a free rather than bound state. A simple way to look at it is the anabolic steroids you’re taking become more powerful and potent."

 

[247JL]

Stick with just test imo

Also 60min of cardio a day on a bulk? Yikes

If the mood strikes. Depends on the workout intensity, and the length of the YouTube video I happen to be watching. Lol.

 

[ackmack78]

That's the plan. 500 test for 8 weeks and then add in "something" else. Diet is clean, training is 2 days on 1 day of upper/lower split due to my work schedule. 30-60 minutes of cardio at least 5x/wk. Cycle history as stated consists of test 300 and Anavar 20mg. 5'10" 180lb.
I'm very much in the discovery phase though so I doubt anyone can tell me a specific cycle. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm wondering, based on experience, what everyone feels is the best compound for a clean bulk with the least mental side effects.

At 5'10 180 and just starting I would say 500 test only and put on 2lbs a week for 16-20 weeks. Take the easy gains while they're a aila me and cut the fluff after

But then I read you're 18%bf so that's not really a great place to start from. I would say lose 15lbs then start the cycle. Assuming you're not going to do that, I would say try and recomp by eating in a deficit for the first 4 weeks then shoot for 1-2lbs a week for the rest of the cycle.

 

[vapor77]

18%. I'm able to maintain it fairly easily. Loosing is a bit harder. End goal is 13-15. Not wanting to be super lean.

Of course it's easy to maintain 18%... it's not that hard to be fat.

You're starting your bulk at a body fat that most people should be stopping theirs at.

I'd stick to TRT and cut down before attempting to bulk again.

 

[AlexDavis43]

At 5'10 180 and just starting I would say 500 test only and put on 2lbs a week for 16-20 weeks. Take the easy gains while they're a aila me and cut the fluff after

But then I read you're 18%bf so that's not really a great place to start from. I would say lose 15lbs then start the cycle. Assuming you're not going to do that, I would say try and recomp by eating in a deficit for the first 4 weeks then shoot for 1-2lbs a week for the rest of the cycle.

Agree no one should start a bulk at 18% BF. You're already bulked, bro.

 

[247JL]

Agree no one should start a bulk at 18% BF. You're already bulked, bro.

Target is only 15. I don't have a desire to be shredded(sub 10% imo) . Finished a cut 3 weeks ago. Down from 24%. Honestly I did end it earlier than planned. Might have been too aggressive with my deficit. It was taking a toll on me beyond the healthy goal.
Since then I'm up 5 lbs in those 3 weeks. 0% BF increase. Surely some water weight but I've visibly continued losing body fat.

 

[TurboJet]

I'm looking at starting lighter. Any issues with half those values? Have you used those or just from knowledge?

I think you should spend some time reading...

Talking about first cycle but already running 300 test and var...

How about so stats?
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat
Years of training
Diet plan
Pre cycle bloods

You know just the basic shit..

 

[BabaJagga]

why not use test, again? or more of it?
if you had smooth experience, just stick to it. you should have still plenty of gains, especially with higher dose. no need to introduce new compound if test still works.

anyway, thats my thinkin, im middle of first blast, 0 issues so far other than some bloat but for few blasts i will stick to test cause why chase issues when test works?

 

[urmumsurdad30]

Start, Adjust, Increase
1ml Test (250)
1ml Mast (200)
Happy wife, Happy life
Good Gains
Nuff Said

 

[urmumsurdad30]

Start, Adjust, Increase
1ml Test (250)
1ml Mast (200)
Happy wife, Happy life
Good Gains
Nuff Said

In all seriousness, 1:1 ratio of test+mast is a good place to start and then adjust accordingly.

I think that's as simple as it gets as per title. Though, don't overeat - sort of just throws the whole lean bulking out the window lmao

 

[Steve0691]

As many others have stated, just stick with test. People have it stuck in their head that test is merely the "base" of a cycle and you must stack something with it. Test should be the bulk of your cycles. Remember its your bioidentical hormone that your body recognizes. Its cheap and it has minimal impact on bloodwork markers.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I’m using AAS for more than decade had done all kind of cycles and crazy shit , I’m using from 18 years old so all mental sides u developed where with them or from them.
Only steroid that doesn’t get you mental side effects after you develop a “tolerance” to how they feel , at least for me is
Testosterone
Low dose masteron (~400mg)
Anavar
Proviron
I could say anadrol too but it gives intense bodily effects that can affect you mentally.

So nowadays my cycles look like this and I feel the best while looking the best (not as best as tren)
500-2.500mg testosterone
200-400mg Masteron or 50-100mg proviron
5-10iu HGH
Mk677 10-25mg(however it can make you anxious and scared but as far as I know is from this and I need the appetite I don’t mind it makes you anxious if you don’t eat but heavily prefer HGH unless I’m bulking very hard )
Lantus Insuling dosage based on diet 30-60iu normally

With these kind of cycles I don’t feel any mental side effect if at all it can make me feel better however is a must to run support drugs like Telmisartan , AI , Dostinex , Propanolol , huge weight gain and water retention can make you anxious of course and dostinex has his whole world of mental effects so I try to not use it and settle me e2 with AI Proviron Masteron , but if things get out of hand as far as e2 testosterone can and will lactate you.

 

[Gianluigi15]

In my personal opinion, just add test again, but at a higher dose—500mg as you mentioned. How lean or not your bulk will be is largely determined by your diet. If your diet isn’t well-structured and includes a lot of fats and cheat meals, you can’t expect a ‘lean bulk.’ However, one steroid that hasn’t been mentioned and is good for lean bulking is DHB. I’ve run it multiple times at 300-400mg each time, and it’s pretty solid. It doesn’t aromatize, doesn’t affect prolactin, and the injection pain isn’t as bad as some people claim. The only downside is that it’s quite expensive. That being said, I still believe it’s better to just go with 500mg of test and focus on your diet.

 

[vapor77]

In my personal opinion, just add test again, but at a higher dose—500mg as you mentioned. How lean or not your bulk will be is largely determined by your diet. If your diet isn’t well-structured and includes a lot of fats and cheat meals, you can’t expect a ‘lean bulk.’ However, one steroid that hasn’t been mentioned and is good for lean bulking is DHB. I’ve run it multiple times at 300-400mg each time, and it’s pretty solid. It doesn’t aromatize, doesn’t affect prolactin, and the injection pain isn’t as bad as some people claim. The only downside is that it’s quite expensive. That being said, I still believe it’s better to just go with 500mg of test and focus on your diet.

DHB also greatly increases some peoples inflammation markers and liver enzymes. It can also modulate estrogen adding additional complexity to side effect management. Plus the PIP is brutal for some.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

HGH is a game changer in bulking lean bulking 500-750test plus 5ish iu and up progressively gonna notice a huge huge difference if it’s GH , plus you can advance to insulin and explode no need to search for the magic steroid combo
Test some mast if y want for shit and giggles and a good HGH it’s costly but it’s totally worth it