Readalots Enhanced Testing

[iris]

Caution. I defended Millard above? How so?

I did point out a genuine issue I perceive here. That is a fact.

Yes.
I did not say you defend the owner.

I said someone asked you why you do not.
I replied to that yesterday that it is not your intention or place to do so.
I did not agree with the premise of that question to you.

It's written right there, alongside the bit of the sentence you left out.

I wrote you can have an opinion about what Excel posted and can think of your own reasons why things may work in a particular way, here.

And that I do not think Mojo et al have nefarious motives just because they disagree with your answer OR with you answering, in the first place.

That is all I wrote there.
If you want to see my interpretation of the last few posts here as part of a "pattern", I guess I must be one of those of the shill gang intent in stopping your testing project.
Whilst pretending otherwise, though, unlike the rest of them.

 

[readalot]

Yes.
I did not say you defend the owner.

I said someone asked you why you do not.
I replied to that yesterday that it is not your intention or place to do so.
I did not agree with the premise of that question to you.

It's written right there, alongside the bit of the sentence you left out.

I wrote you can have an opinion about what Excel posted and can think of your own reasons why things may work in a particular way, here.

And that I do not think Mojo et al have nefarious motives just because they disagree with your answer OR with you answering, in the first place.

That is all I wrote there.
If you want to see my interpretation of the last few posts here as part of a "pattern", I guess I must be one of those of the shill gang intent in stopping your testing project.
Whilst pretending otherwise, though, unlike the rest of them.

I'll quote the passage in its entirety...

You were asked, yesterday, why you don't defend the owner when he gets bashed on the other forum.
Now that you do it here, when those questions were addressed to him, you see how talking on his behalf is perceived.

 

[narta]

Your genuine desire was to make ET mandatory for all sources here?

I would like the Harm Reduction title of the forum to be clear, visible and enforceable 100%. If ET is the way, so be it.

ATM it isn't, because it lead to a place were sterile floaters and sources that have been involved in questionable practices in the past, participated/will participate and are still active.

 

[iris]

I'll quote the passage in its entirety...

OK, fair, maybe like this:
Answering questions that were addressed to him, which is perceived as you answering on his behalf.

To be clear, I do not think you were.

You were giving your opinion about what to you was most relevant, in relation to what Excel wrote.
One can disagree with the premise of what you wrote, though.
Or it can be seen as you giving facts on his behalf.
I still do not think so.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I think the problem with ALL of these debates/discussions is there is waaaay too much indirect/implied meaning conversations and comments going on (sorta 'im the smartest guy in the room' mixed with 'i know something you don't know" mixed with "this statement I'm making has OBVIOUS meaning" when it doesn't have a clear meaning at all).

In this case, I think there's implications certain people are hiding out as shills/sources/have vested other interests etc.

I'll never understand the human psychology behind implied communication...unless fearful of ramifications or I guess sometimes can just serve as a polite "tread carefully" warning I guess.. usually it just serves to drive anger and division.

I guess Millard has been asked about source vs harm reduction (and Excel is implying we're well done the slippery slope of becoming a source board?)... that's the clearest question I'm seeing. (I don't really have the same question...but fair enough if someone is wondering,.then I guess ask.away).

 

[RandallFlagg]

I would like the Harm Reduction title of the forum to be clear, visible and enforceable 100%. If ET is the way, so be it.

ATM it isn't, because it lead to a place were sterile floaters and sources that have been involved in questionable practices in the past, are still active.

Fair...I like it...a statement.

Enforceable? As in ban sources? I'm legitimately confused.

I thought the purpose of the board was for the members to decide what sources didn't meet the standards and tell them to fuck off.

My impression is that used to happen...then QSC came around as the big bad wolf,. couldnt be chased away, so many vets got pissed and left.

Now we have a member who got QSC to actually engage in enhance testing (not matter that the hell the rep said about the testing... it happened)...something that everyone said "would never happen"...and this member has become a fucking parish and the most hated man on the board.

No one makes any fucking sense in what they're actually looking for. JMO...but I've had a shitty weekend and work and probably need to check my hormones

 

[readalot]

I think the problem with ALL of these debates/discussions is there is waaaay too much indirect/implied meaning conversations and comments going on (sorta 'im the smartest guy in the room' mixed with 'i know something you don't know" mixed with "this statement I'm making has OBVIOUS meaning" when it doesn't have a clear meaning at all).

In this case, I think there's implications certain people are hiding out as shills/sources/have vested other interests etc.

I'll never understand the human psychology behind implied communication...unless fearful of ramifications or I guess sometimes can just serve as a polite "tread carefully" warning I guess.. usually it just serves to drive anger and division.

I guess Millard has been asked about source vs harm reduction (and Excel is implying we're well done the slippery slope of becoming a source board?)... that's the clearest question I'm seeing. (I don't really have the same question...but fair enough if someone is wondering,.then I guess ask.away).

Best I can do for you...

I am an AAS using, body dysmorphic, weight training person passionate about harm reduction in the UG. My bias.

Look forward to more practical suggestions on how to move all this forward, if at all possible. Perhaps the answer is there is nothing else that can be done. I genuinely don't know.

Love to hear other intros.

 

[curveball2025]

The problem with IGNORE is you are unable to see all stages of the emotional breakdown. It is similar to driving by a bad train wreck. Regardless of how bad it appears from afar, you still have to look as you drive by.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Best I can do for you...

I am an AAS using, body dysmorphic, weight training person passionate about harm reduction in the UG. My bias.

Look forward to more practical suggestions on how to move all this forward, if at all possible. Perhaps the answer is there is nothing else that can be done. I genuinely don't know.

Love to hear other intros.

But but but...you never bought illegal drugs. So see your way out because you're not like the rest of us. (Ok,.I've treaded into being an asshole now...good thing I need get back to work and log out for a while)

...and yes, I am aware of your goals.

As well as your desire to get a higher quality UGL option since you cannot get compounds prescribed legally at the levels you are seeking to use (you've stated it clearly before...and I keep seeing the "he doesn't even buy UGL so why is he here?" Comment driveled about).

I'm not trying to inflame shit...but I am...because yeah, I've had a bad day and sometimes ...a man just wants to watch the world burn (but shit, it shouldn't be every fucking day for some you).

 

[narta]

Fair...I like it...a statement.

Enforceable? As in ban sources? I'm legitimately confused.

I thought the purpose of the board was for the members to decide what sources didn't meet the standards and tell them to fuck off.

My impression is that used to happen...then QSC came around as the big bad wolf,. couldnt be chased away, so many vets got pissed and left.

Now we have a member who got QSC to actually engage in enhance testing (not matter that the hell the rep said about the testing... it happened)...something that everyone said "would never happen"...and this member has become a fucking parish and the most hated man on the board.

No one makes any fucking sense in what they're actually looking for. JMO...but I've had a shitty weekend and work and probably need to check my hormones

You think QSC engaged in ET in order to please Readalot? He did it just to make a statement: my shit passed the requirements but has floaters like Matrix's, so your whole crusade is a joke. That's my take.

Enforceable means the community (since the Admin will not intervene) has the tools to "ban them", cause just telling them to fuck off does absolutely diddly squat as shown by Axel, QSC and a couple of others in the past. The whole "Too big to fail" shenanigans the US Government pulled in 2008 with the banking sector.

 

[RandallFlagg]

You think QSC engaged in ET in order to please Readalot? He did it just to make a statement: my shit passed the requirements but has floaters like Matrix's, so your whole crusade is a joke. That's my take.

Enforceable means the community (since the Admin will not intervene) has the tools to "ban them", cause just telling them to fuck off does absolutely diddly squat as shown by Axel, QSC and a couple of others in the past. The whole "Too big to fail" shenanigans the US Government pulled in 2008 with the banking sector.

I don't think for on nano-second that QSC engaged in the testing for any harm reduction.

It's irrelevant ...they did it... its up to the members to hold their feet to the fire and make them go further with it.

And you're right about the motivation...but if QSC would regularly perform the testing it would provide a treasure trove of data (since they have the resources if they come back). I am well aware QSC sells shit for oils... no argument there.

 

[iris]

Enforceable? As in ban sources? I'm legitimately confused.

I thought the purpose of the board was for the members to decide what sources didn't meet the standards and tell them to fuck off.

My impression is that used to happen...then QSC came around as the big bad wolf,. couldnt be chased away, so many vets got pissed and left.

His point being that members cannot really do much about it and for it to really work, it would have to come from the top.
We cannot ban anyone.
Look, at Qsc even with all the enhanced testing.
It would have been interesting to see it move forward from there, but no.

 

[narta]

It's irrelevant ...they did it... its up to the members to hold their feet to the fire and make them go further with it.

-My house is getting vandalized!
-It's up to the community to drive the perpetrators away
-Ok, let's get the guns out!
-No guns!

You do understand how ridiculous that sounds heh?

 

[RandallFlagg]

His point being that members cannot really do much about it and for it to really work, it would have to come from the top.
We cannot ban anyone.
Look, at Qsc even with all the enhanced testing.
It would have been interesting to see it move forward from there, but no.

They don't need to be banned.

Users who care about their health will see the product and not buy. Those that do not care,.will continue to buy. Free market.

 

[RandallFlagg]

-My house is getting vandalized!
-It's up to the community to drive the perpetrators away
-Ok, let's get the guns out!
-No guns!

You do understand how ridiculous that sounds heh?

Who said no guns? I'm in the USA...lol

Readalot has been the fucking atomic bomb in these threads...and you all say it's spamming. I truly don't get it.

He pushes and pushed.and pushed... THAT'S the way to up the standards. That's the machine gun.

 

[iris]

The problem with IGNORE is you are unable to see all stages of the emotional breakdown. It is similar to driving by a bad train wreck. Regardless of how bad it appears from afar, you still have to look as you drive by.

You mean that ignoring his content you still see the replies to it.
That is how things work.

So what is your solution?
Should he get perma banned because the ignore function is not up to scratch?

 

[iris]

Users who care about their health will see the product and not buy. Those that do not care,.will continue to buy. Free market.

To be fair, this is actually what he has being saying, all along.

Before Readalot turned up to hassle about floaters, how many people did you see there doing that?
And even after he turned up, what was the result, really?

 

[RandallFlagg]

The problem with IGNORE is you are unable to see all stages of the emotional breakdown. It is similar to driving by a bad train wreck. Regardless of how bad it appears from afar, you still have to look as you drive by.

Troll comment...k...cool

What's next?

 

[RandallFlagg]

@narta I truly respect your experience in this realm and the fact you have an infinite level of experience with making, purchasing etc.

I do wish you would more clearly voice your thoughts on the way forward.

I presume you have probably already done it for years in other ways and so this probably the same old song and dance in your mind (fair enough)

But I'm unclear on what the ideals should be for this forum that have people so upset when one dude shows up to crash the party.

I respect opposing opinions. I cant respect others that are just showing up to roll their eyes and inflame/distract from the mission.

 

[narta]

Who said no guns? I'm in the USA...lol

Readalot has been the fucking atomic bomb in these threads...and you all say it's spamming. I truly don't get it.

He pushes and pushed.and pushed... THAT'S the way to up the standards. That's the machine gun.

You are missing the point. Readalot's spamming vendors is a bb gun, annoying but only that.

You want real guns? Let the community to cast a vote on banning a vendor or not, if he engages in harm behavior, like floaters, false advertising (underdosed gear, mixed up apis etc), shilling via alt accounts, dealing high abuse potential substances like narcotics and does nothing to correct it.