How long does it take you to recover from max attempt deadlift pr?

[Anonymous#1]

On test cycle vs without. Just wondering how much test helps in recovery when it comes to max attempts and how often could those be tested.

 

[Fattyone]

I don’t think there’s many serious lifters maxing out so frequently that they need to know the answer to this question..

 

[narta]

If we are talking proprer maxing out for an evnt, a few weeks for your CNS to recover

 

[Type-IIx]

The amount of time needed for recovery is proportional to the absolute load lifted. Generally, enhanced & very strong lifters need more time for recovery after a PB/new 1RM than a nonenhanced, weaker lifter. If your being on testosterone, as in your hypothetical, results in your maximal strength in the deadlift being far greater than you could achieve without AAS use in your lifetime, then you might need up to 3 weeks to recover.

This is a consequence of AAS primarily serving to directly enhance maximal strength. The term, "restoratives," as used by the Soviet practitioners to obfuscate the true nature of AAS, has really had an influence on how AAS are perceived, incorrectly, by many. Since AAS work primarily to directly enhance performance rather than merely augment recovery/restoration processes, this is a misnomer.

 

[JackHoffman]

The amount of time needed for recovery is proportional to the absolute load lifted. Generally, enhanced & very strong lifters need more time for recovery after a PB/new 1RM than a nonenhanced, weaker lifter. If your being on testosterone, as in your hypothetical, results in your maximal strength in the deadlift being far greater than you could achieve without AAS use in your lifetime, then you might need up to 3 weeks to recover.

This is a consequence of AAS primarily serving to directly enhance maximal strength. The term, "restoratives," as used by the Soviet practitioners to obfuscate the true nature of AAS, has really had an influence on how AAS are perceived, incorrectly, by many. Since AAS work primarily to directly enhance performance rather than merely augment recovery/restoration processes, this is a misnomer.

So would you say that testosterone mostly allows you to:

1) Reach your maximal strength potential FASTER than if you were natural

2) Recover faster from any kind of stress more than if you were natural

And

3) Does it increase your maximum strength potential overall?

And also wondering what is true for steroids compared to exogenous testosterone dosing.

I’ve heard naturals can get pretty damn strong but it is just usually going to mean the person will be fat AF rather than more ripped or athletic looking.

I am mostly asking because if all it does is make me stronger and not really recover faster. Life is still going to be a bitch for me LOL. And even more so because I’ll just be lifting more and needing more time to recover. But I thought it was both increased strength and recovery? Just surprised and interested in your comment and wanting to know the nuance about this.

 

[JackHoffman]

So would you say that testosterone mostly allows you to:

1) Reach your maximal strength potential FASTER than if you were natural

2) Recover faster from any kind of stress more than if you were natural

And

3) Does it increase your maximum strength potential overall?

And also wondering what is true for steroids compared to exogenous testosterone dosing.

I’ve heard naturals can get pretty damn strong but it is just usually going to mean the person will be fat AF rather than more ripped or athletic looking.

I am mostly asking because if all it does is make me stronger and not really recover faster. Life is still going to be a bitch for me LOL. And even more so because I’ll just be lifting more and needing more time to recover. But I thought it was both increased strength and recovery? Just surprised and interested in your comment and wanting to know the nuance about this.

Oh and maybe you are talking about mostly the CNS aspect and not so much the muscle tissue recovery.

 

[Fattyone]

I’ve heard naturals can get pretty damn strong but it is just usually going to mean the person will be fat AF rather than more ripped or athletic looking.

There’s a guy on T-nation who competes in tested feds and pulls 800+ and is very lean and could probably do extremely well in physique.

 

[Type-IIx]

So would you say that testosterone mostly allows you to:

1) Reach your maximal strength potential FASTER than if you were natural

2) Recover faster from any kind of stress more than if you were natural

And

3) Does it increase your maximum strength potential overall?

And also wondering what is true for steroids compared to exogenous testosterone dosing.

I’ve heard naturals can get pretty damn strong but it is just usually going to mean the person will be fat AF rather than more ripped or athletic looking.

I am mostly asking because if all it does is make me stronger and not really recover faster. Life is still going to be a bitch for me LOL. And even more so because I’ll just be lifting more and needing more time to recover. But I thought it was both increased strength and recovery? Just surprised and interested in your comment and wanting to know the nuance about this.

It does all 3. It does 1 & 3 > 2. Testosterone mostly enhances recovery by anticatabolic effects & increasing glycogen synthetase activity.

 

[JackHoffman]

That makes sense. Thanks!

 

[Anonymous#1]

Are there any peptides or suplaments that could speed up cns recovery?

Also if one was going to max out on big 3 lifts would it be better to do it all on the same day or spread them out throughout the week?

 

[Type-IIx]

Are there any peptides or suplaments that could speed up cns recovery?

Also if one was going to max out on big 3 lifts would it be better to do it all on the same day or spread them out throughout the week?

Without getting into the nuances and complexities of the etiology of CNS fatigue, I will tell you that the only supplement and/or drug solution would be to mitigate inflammatory responses subsequent to muscle damage. As such, antioxidants like vitamin C, E, B- 6, 12, etc., and other compounds like polyunsaturated phosphatidylcholine would reduce CNS fatigue, but also perversely by the same mechanism, when megadosed, reduce muscle damage, thereby blunting hypertrophy signaling and adaptive response.

 

[Type-IIx]

Are there any peptides or suplaments that could speed up cns recovery?

Also if one was going to max out on big 3 lifts would it be better to do it all on the same day or spread them out throughout the week?

It is definitely better during training to distribute maximal effort (1RM) structural exercises that require postural support across the week; but also to intersperse regular mock competitions and actual competitions at an appropriate frequency.

 

[barbell001]

Are there any peptides or suplaments that could speed up cns recovery?

Also if one was going to max out on big 3 lifts would it be better to do it all on the same day or spread them out throughout the week?

I've not found anything that speeds up CNS recovery, stimulants such as caffeine will still enable you to get it more activated while it is recovering but for true recovery the only things I find work is rest, time and sleep. Oh and as you get older this takes even longer - it sucks!!

If you were wanting to find your true absolute maximum for each of the lifts then it needs to be probably tested over a few months because maxing for any of the lifts in turn impairs testing a max for another lift. For example, if you do a Max attempt on Deads it will then hamper your bench press max because it will knock your CNS out meaning you cannot get maximum drive and torque through your legs and up into your back and arms. It will make you rotator cuffs sore because deadlifts effectively work them as they try to keep your arm bone in the shoulder socket, and it will make your back less efficient at stabilising and controlling the bar during its path. In turn maxing out on a bench attempt if done properly will make your hams and glutes sore for deads because of the bracing and arching on the bench. Probably test a max then leave it 2 weeks then go for another one on a different exercise.

This is why guys such as John Haack who can lift devastating numbers ALL on the same day in 3 lifts during a meet are so incredibly gifted.

 

[barbell001]

There’s a guy on T-nation who competes in tested feds and pulls 800+ and is very lean and could probably do extremely well in physique.

Let me guess - a Sumo deadlifter that can probably bench about 315 lol

 

[Fattyone]

Let me guess - a Sumo deadlifter that can probably bench about 315 lol

I wanna say he benches in the 400’s and squats in the 600’s. Can’t remember about sumo. Pretty sure he’s brought home some hardware from the Arnold classic in the amateur division. Idk. He’s impressive though, one of the few I’ve seen and genuinely been impressed.

 

[Country Club Hero]

Another factor that determines that time is the workload you were subjected to leading up to the max out. I haven’t been training too hard lately so it may only take me 2-3 days at age 43 to fully recover.

But if I was just finishing up 8 weeks of a powerlifting program and decided to max out, it would probably take me 5-7 days to fully recover from maxing out.

I can’t imagine doing either without elevated testosterone levels

 

[adamcarpenter]

Are there any peptides or suplaments that could speed up cns recovery?

Also if one was going to max out on big 3 lifts would it be better to do it all on the same day or spread them out throughout the week?

The best drugs for recovery, especially for your nervous system come naturally when you sleep.

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

If your just setting PR’s in the gym that’s one thing. However if you’re trying to actual have a max effort attempt, you’ll need to properly peak through programing

 

[UncleBuns]

It does all 3. It does 1 & 3 > 2. Testosterone mostly enhances recovery by anticatabolic effects & increasing glycogen synthetase activity.

Wow. I thought AAS mostly worked by increasing the rate of recovery, therefore allowing more difficult training more often and that the strength increase was due to the the higher training capability stacking over time. I didn't think test increased strength much and only certain compounds like halo did it effectively or some CNS stimulating compounds to a milder degree.

Do you know of a thread or resource that delves into this more that a layman can understand?

 

[Type-IIx]

Wow. I thought AAS mostly worked by increasing the rate of recovery, therefore allowing more difficult training more often and that the strength increase was due to the the higher training capability stacking over time. I didn't think test increased strength much and only certain compounds like halo did it effectively or some CNS stimulating compounds to a milder degree.

Do you know of a thread or resource that delves into this more that a layman can understand?

I think that the disconnect is that you are thinking about strength in more reductive terms than I am in this context, perhaps thinking about it in terms of neural drive & central motor command, recruitment, voluntary activation. Of course, testosterone does augment these too [1], but in this context I refer to strength as a product also of increased muscle size, because increased fCSA (fibre cross-sectional area) is an important contributor to increased strength. For that, just take Bhasin's 1996 study [2] showing effects of testosterone enanthate + training on muscle size & strength).

These are direct muscle anabolic & rapid nongenomic neural effects rather than indirect ones that arise from enhanced recovery from intensive muscular work.

[1] Felici, F., Bazzucchi, I., Sgrò, P., Quinzi, F., Conti, A., Aversa, A., … Di Luigi, L. (2016). Acute severe male hypo-testosteronemia affects central motor command in humans. Journal of Electromyography and Kinesiology, 28, 184–192. doi:10.1016/j.jelekin.2015.12.004
[2] Bhasin, S., Storer, T. W., Berman, N., Callegari, C., Clevenger, B., Phillips, J., … Casaburi, R. (1996). The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men. New England Journal of Medicine, 335(1), 1–7. doi:10.1056/nejm199607043350101