Kratom For Pre-work out?

[jJjburton]

Duuude you better be careful. If you haven't experienced "the wobbles" yet, google it. My fucking god it is something from hell.

Kratom is nearly impossible to overdose on. The primary active chemicals (mitragynine and 7-hydroxy-mitragynine, aka M and 7OHM henceforth, respectively) are both only partial agonists at the mu-opioid receptor (MOR). This is similar to buprenorphine, a.k.a., suboxone or subutex, which is used to help get addicts off of heroin and other opioids. If memory serves me correctly, research estimates one would need to eat roughly 4 kg to overdose on kratom leaf. Your stomach would burst before you could consume that much kratom.

Regardless, when you take too much kratom, you experience The Wobbles. Basically, there are several symptoms that make up The Wobbles:
1. Your eyes are shaky. Yep, the muscles that hold your eyes in place start to shake, making your entire vision wobbly. This is where The Wobbles gets its name from.
2. You get super nauseous and feel like you're going to throw up.
3. You get a really bad and weird headache
4. You feel weak, your whole body feels shaky. Almost like pre-seizure-ish.

It lasts basically the whole day. Usually the next morning you'll feel fine.

There might be some others I've missed, it's been years since I've had it and I believe I only had it once. All I can say is it fucking SUCKS. So just be careful.

Also, as I have said before. Kratom withdrawals fucking suck dick too. It is addictive and your body will become dependent on it after several weeks/a couple months of regular use. The glow lasts a few months, then goes away. Then you just get weird, spotty effects where sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't do a damned thing. It sucks. Intermittent use is the best way to go to avoid tolerance and dependence.

How long does RLS last? When coming off, today is my last day. As i have a job intervirw, i want to do well. But then i am done. I have taken only 20 ish tge past 7 days. But the day i stopped RLS is bad. So i used the past 2 days for relief of rls and job interviews. I have gabapentin for rls which i was going to use for 1-2 weeks for heavy wds. Then titrate down.

also the past 3 says been supplementing vitamins and probiotics hard. So they build up when i cease use.

the RLS is the only symptom that kills me. It actially hurts. My whole body.

 

[MFAAS]

How long does RLS last? When coming off, today is my last day. As i have a job intervirw, i want to do well. But then i am done. I have taken only 20 ish tge past 7 days. But the day i stopped RLS is bad. So i used the past 2 days for relief of rls and job interviews. I have gabapentin for rls which i was going to use for 1-2 weeks for heavy wds. Then titrate down.

also the past 3 says been supplementing vitamins and probiotics hard. So they build up when i cease use.

the RLS is the only symptom that kills me. It actially hurts. My whole body

I'm sorry to hear that man. People need to realize how habit-forming kratom is! It is a gentle addiction, not like Heroin or oxy. It slowly sinks its teeth into you, the euphoria and mood benefits very slowly go away, and then you are just using it to feel more or less normal, and possibly get an energy boost. Then when you try to go off you are hit with anxiety, emotional roller coaster days, restlessness/RLS and sleeplessness, diarrhea, horrible fatigue. Usually the withdrawal symptoms last about a week, with the sleeplessness and restlessness maybe taking up to 2 weeks to fully subside.

Go to the "quittingkratom" subreddit and you can find their "withdrawal guide". Agmatine and megadosing vitamin C SERIOUSLY help with the withdrawals. Also, do some cardio. Cardio really helps too.

Gabapentin can help too, but I find that it sometimes makes the withdrawal induced depression a lot worse, and it also fucks with my sleep.

 

[jJjburton]

I'm sorry to hear that man. People need to realize how habit-forming kratom is! It is a gentle addiction, not like Heroin or oxy. It slowly sinks its teeth into you, the euphoria and mood benefits very slowly go away, and then you are just using it to feel more or less normal, and possibly get an energy boost. Then when you try to go off you are hit with anxiety, emotional roller coaster days, restlessness/RLS and sleeplessness, diarrhea, horrible fatigue. Usually the withdrawal symptoms last about a week, with the sleeplessness and restlessness maybe taking up to 2 weeks to fully subside.

Go to the "quittingkratom" subreddit and you can find their "withdrawal guide". Agmatine and megadosing vitamin C SERIOUSLY help with the withdrawals. Also, do some cardio. Cardio really helps too.

Gabapentin can help too, but I find that it sometimes makes the withdrawal induced depression a lot worse, and it also fucks with my sleep.

Ok yes i looked at that and started all the vitamins and probiotics. Thanks.

 

[Ankle pick]

So I’ve been taking Kratom for about three years I’m actually taking it for chronic pain. I have quite a lot experience with all the different strains and for pre-work out I’ll like a green Mang da aura white Bali if you can find it it’s a feeling of well-being with the The energy of coffee with better antidepressant qualities if you’re taking a green Mang da you want to start it two or 3 grams a dose.
Relaxation I like Bali read or Bali gold there a little bit more opioid like unless coffee and energy like but you’re a great post workout way to relax.
However crane him has a lot of heavy metals in it and if you’re taking more than a half ounce a day 14 g you need to be worried about lead and nickel poisoning.
Kratom is used to get people off of prescription opioid pills and it works great the problem is is it has a very short half-life and once you use it heavily you have to dose it all day long it also has very serious withdrawals after two years I decided to go cold turkey and could not get out of bed for a week the lethargy will last up to a month so try not to take it every day take it in moderation if you switch your strains up it will lower your tolerance for both and they will both work better and if you start to feel sick when you’re taking it lower your dosage lower the amount if you start to feel withdrawals without it lower your dosage and your amount and titration is very easy it is 1 g a week so if you’re taking 14 g if you take 14 weeks to titrate it will be absolutely painless but anybody that’s been taking Kratom per over a year cold turkey is a son of a bitch I mean it’s worse than Oxsee withdrawals because they’re so protracted they’re not mental their physical you just can’t get up and you feel like you’re dying so just remember you’re using a very powerful plant that hits the same receptors that opioids and THC hit and it hits them very strongly kratom shows both signs of an opioid and a benzodiazepine as well as a stimulant so it’s hitting a lot of receptors in the brain at the same time and when you come off it can be difficult just remember you’re taking a very powerful drug even though it’s a plant this very powerful drug.
I grow my own tree and I grow it organically and I chew the leaves raw.
Plants can be bought online for 50 $60 and they grow well in a humid environment.
Stay away from Kratom extract many of the companies are producing it with something synthetic in it a low-grade benzo Ridellan caffeine and when I’ve tried it it’s giving me chest pains there’s a huge amount of evidence that the extract does cause heart problems also it’s probably extracted with benzene and you can get jammed up on Kratom extract just like you can get jammed up on heroin so yes I love green Mang da for a pre-work out but I wish I would’ve known more about the dangers of the plant as far as withdrawals and dependence when I got into it assuming it was a plant I thought it was going to be the withdraws of marijuana for example that is not the case so as with anything be safe take it in moderation and has Ken Kesey told me once whatever you’re going to take take half of that and then if you need the rest take that

 

[Ankle pick]

I'm sorry to hear that man. People need to realize how habit-forming kratom is! It is a gentle addiction, not like Heroin or oxy. It slowly sinks its teeth into you, the euphoria and mood benefits very slowly go away, and then you are just using it to feel more or less normal, and possibly get an energy boost. Then when you try to go off you are hit with anxiety, emotional roller coaster days, restlessness/RLS and sleeplessness, diarrhea, horrible fatigue. Usually the withdrawal symptoms last about a week, with the sleeplessness and restlessness maybe taking up to 2 weeks to fully subside.

Go to the "quittingkratom" subreddit and you can find their "withdrawal guide". Agmatine and megadosing vitamin C SERIOUSLY help with the withdrawals. Also, do some cardio. Cardio really helps too.

Gabapentin can help too, but I find that it sometimes makes the withdrawal induced depression a lot worse, and it also fucks with my sleep.

I’ve been using for three years about a year and a half ago I was in the hospital for a few days and didn’t take Kratom when I got out I start to feel really sick and I just assumed that I had caught in something like Covid in the hospital all about six days in and I can’t even get off the couch and I just keep feeling like I’m dying a family member came over and said hey why don’t you take a cup of that tea you take I took it and I was instantly out in the garden working on my plants in five minutes from laying on the couch dying to working on my plants kratom for me has worse was worst with drawls than oxycodone oxycodone take it for a couple years you’re got seven days a hell cranium it’s a month remember it works both as an opioid a benzo and a stimulant so it’s hitting a lot of receptors in the brain don’t ever cold turkey protocol for titration is 1 g a week so if you’re taking 14 g a day take 14 Days to titrate and you will be miserable free it’s painless but cold turkey is a motherfucker and the protracted withdrawals can last a long time worst wiithdrawls I’ve had since benzos.
PS Kratom extract you might as well be getting into a heroin habit a lot of the companies put synthetic Cine Ridellan super doses of caffeine and it’s all extracted with some cheap benzene anyway so do yourself a favor never take extract when you start taking 14 g of Kratom or an ounce of cream a day and it doesn’t really work anymore it’s time to start reducing your dose and if you feel sick after you take it you need to reduce your dose.
I have a huge tolerance to volley gold and red but if I take green mang off for three days I only take about four or 5 g a day and then when I go back to the Bali gold or red my tolerance has been lowered greatly for that so switching strains can help you not get a huge habit anyone taking more than 14 g a day needs to be concerned about heavy metals like lead and nickel which are contained in almost all plants but are highly concentrated in kratom because Indonesia so polluted
. I’m pretty jammed up on it right now but it’s not really a big thing for me because I’ve been jammed up on other things but I am doing a titration of a gram a week
And really just wanna get down to dosing two or 3 g twice a day maybe couple times a week when I really need that extra energy

Crate him to me is a more powerful drug than oxycodone hands-down and it’s very short half-life makes you want to dose it all day once you’re really hooked although I have no doubt that I won’t be jammed up on it much longer I wish when I got into it I would’ve known more about it and I wish someone would’ve told me these things that I’m saying here it really hits the my receptors and so a slow titration is needed but as with anything using moderation don’t use it every day and whatever you think you’re going to take cut it in half take that half and then if you need the other half take it Ken Kesey taught me that he was talking about LSD but it works for everything and I use it with every drug I take including AAS

 

[jJjburton]

So happy i dont use this anymore. Its withdrawals are awful

 

[StevenLee]

If you want fast results, it makes sense. I've tried it a few times before a workout, and yes, it's more effective than usual. But I'm not looking for super results, I'm just trying to have fun. Btw, be careful if you change brands, if the new brand is more powerful it may cause unpleasant effect. You can read more on outlookindia.com/outlook-spotlight/best-kratom-vendors-news-236504. Just if the dose is increased in this way, it could cause side effects. I had a case when I overdosed, I vomited, and it affected my vision for a short time, but then it went away.

 

[Lis]

Hey meso, I'm curious if anyone on the forum uses kratom for preworkout. I use it sometimes , it gives such a huge feeling of well-being, and it really makes me feel motivated. My workouts are usually 10x better because I feel better. Im not a fan of traditional pre-workout drinks that make you feel all stimmed out, so this stuff is awesome. Ive never had any bad experiences with it other than taking a little too much and feeling nauseous. I wouldn't recommend it to someone battling with opiate addiction tho because it is kinda similar.

I take it all the time. Imo it helps with everything but I’m physically dependent on it now. Still worth it.

 

[jJjburton]

I take it all the time. Imo it helps with everything but I’m physically dependent on it now. Still worth it.

No way not worth it. It becomes tourture getting off. It is the hardest substance ever especially if RLS prone. Gabapentin is the way to get off when your wanting too, never had this info at time. About gaba.

Also a micro of shrooms, never had a harder workout. Holy crap. Back to back days amazing lifting.

 

[The_Dane]

My whole thing is, id like to feel any pain in case of injury. Dulling pain may put anyone at a risk of injury.

 

[MFAAS]

No way not worth it. It becomes tourture getting off. It is the hardest substance ever especially if RLS prone. Gabapentin is the way to get off when your wanting too, never had this info at time. About gaba.

Also a micro of shrooms, never had a harder workout. Holy crap. Back to back days amazing lifting.

Microdose phsychedelics is a far better way to go. You're consuming a psych that increases BDNF, NGF, and other growth factors.

Kratom is a cocktail of opioid, adrenergic, and antidepressant activity. Makes it very tough to stop.

 

[Country Club Hero]

Day 35 with no kratom today after a 4 years and 80gpd Habit. Still not close to being fully well. That stuff is wicked.

if someone can leg just use it 1-2 times a week then great. But not for me. When I find something that makes me feel good I will use it often. Makes sense right? Not with kratom. Best to avoid. This recovery has been a nightmare.

 

[jJjburton]

Microdose phsychedelics is a far better way to go. You're consuming a psych that increases BDNF, NGF, and other growth factors.

Kratom is a cocktail of opioid, adrenergic, and antidepressant activity. Makes it very tough to stop.

Good stuff, thats is awesome to know. Kratom was tourtourous.

loving it so far. Alot.

 

[jJjburton]

Day 35 with no kratom today after a 4 years and 80gpd Habit. Still not close to being fully well. That stuff is wicked.

if someone can leg just use it 1-2 times a week then great. But not for me. When I find something that makes me feel good I will use it often. Makes sense right? Not with kratom. Best to avoid. This recovery has been a nightmare.

Yeay! Thats amazing.

 

[Titan18]

Yeay! Thats amazing.

What dose of gabapentin did you use and does that take away most of the physical withdrawal symptoms?

 

[jJjburton]

What dose of gabapentin did you use and does that take away most of the physical withdrawal symptoms?

Takes away them all competely and will give you energy.

depends on what dose of kratom, to stop the withdrawals.

For gabapentin i took as much as it took for withdrawals to go away.

I took so to much kratom had to take 20 grams 3/4 time a day. And gaba works cold turkey, dont even need to taper. Just go straight gabapentin.

300 mg 3-4 x a day. Anytime i felt crappy i just took 300 mg, if i had a really busy day i would take 6-900 mg in morning. Like if i had work all day. No need to go over 2000 mg. And it takes away restless leg syndrome too, which is the worst. It does take 3 hours to take effect. So i would take one at 4-5 am so i could wake up feeling ok. Also if you have no tolerance a low dose works well of 300 mg. I suggest the 300 mg pills since that dose absorbs best.

Other info-

There is a lot of info on how to make it work best. Like dont take 1000 mg at once, take 300 mg every 20 minutes. Because of the gut absorbtion. There is a ceiling dose curve. That can be utilized.

 

[Titan18]

Takes away them all competely and will give you energy.

depends on what dose of kratom, to stop the withdrawals.

For gabapentin i took as much as it took for withdrawals to go away.

I took so to much kratom had to take 20 grams 3/4 time a day. And gaba works cold turkey, dont even need to taper. Just go straight gabapentin.

300 mg 3-4 x a day. Anytime i felt crappy i just took 300 mg, if i had a really busy day i would take 6-900 mg in morning. Like if i had work all day. No need to go over 2000 mg. And it takes away restless leg syndrome too, which is the worst. It does take 3 hours to take effect. So i would take one at 4-5 am so i could wake up feeling ok. Also if you have no tolerance a low dose works well of 300 mg. I suggest the 300 mg pills since that dose absorbs best.

Other info-

There is a lot of info on how to make it work best. Like dont take 1000 mg at once, take 300 mg every 20 minutes. Because of the gut absorbtion. There is a ceiling dose curve. That can be utilized.

Unfortunately I made the same mistake as you had mentioned in another post, thinking kratom was harmless. I'm 5 years in and finding it impossible to quit. I started as a way to stop drinking, which I did. But 5 years later I'm still on it. No longer even get a buzz from it, I just take it to avoid the withdrawal. I hope the gabapentin does the trick. If so, you are a lifesaver! Thank you

 

[MFAAS]

Good stuff, thats is awesome to know. Kratom was tourtourous.

loving it so far. Alot.

Yeah it's bad for sure. I'd say easily equally as bad as ceasing half a gram of IV Heroin per day. S far as lazyness kratom was worse. Your body gets used to that adrenergic activity as well as the serotonin and norepinephrine activity. Cessation produced classic opioid withdrawals as well as EXTREME lethargy, far worse than normal opioid WDs. Loss of strength, loss of energy, loss of motivation, extreme apathy. Less sneezing, less watery eyes less runny nose, worse body aches IMO.

BTW i was taking 3 tbsp per day, v sometimes 4, made into tea. Boiled for 30 minds with lemon juice and sometimes 1 shot of alcohol. That was for about 2 years. After a week cold turkey I was okay. Took a couple weeks to have energy again. By day 4 I was feeling BETTER but still shitty, same as heroin.

 

[MFAAS]

Day 35 with no kratom today after a 4 years and 80gpd Habit. Still not close to being fully well. That stuff is wicked.

if someone can leg just use it 1-2 times a week then great. But not for me. When I find something that makes me feel good I will use it often. Makes sense right? Not with kratom. Best to avoid. This recovery has been a nightmare.

Yeah once you get thet opioid glow/euphoria is almost impossible not to want it all the time.

Microdosing mushrooms (or even just full on tripping once a month for a few months) or BPC 157 alginate orally might help your brain heal. Also begin meditating and look into cognitive behavioral therapy.

Edit: what symptoms do you have remaining?

 

[jJjburton]

Unfortunately I made the same mistake as you had mentioned in another post, thinking kratom was harmless. I'm 5 years in and finding it impossible to quit. I started as a way to stop drinking, which I did. But 5 years later I'm still on it. No longer even get a buzz from it, I just take it to avoid the withdrawal. I hope the gabapentin does the trick. If so, you are a lifesaver! Thank you

It will make it easier and help alot