Awesome log. Really cool to see someone with similar interests, weightlifting, combat sports, etc..
I skipped through the thread a bit, so pardon me if you've answered these question already.
I'm curious, why are you training in that rep range? When doing the olympic lifts, you should never train any more than 3 reps max. Most sets involve heavy singles and doubles. The really important thing is to perform technical lifts when you aren't fatigued, then utilized other lifts when the fatigue kicks in. And if your primary goal is power, why even play with sets of 12? This is too high to do anything for power, and too low to do much for conditioning unless you really ramp up the number of sets. In fact, that rep range has been shown to reduce the one rep max of intermediate and expert lifters who have trained at 5 reps and lower before switching.
Thanks, yeah they are fun hobbies what martial arts do you like?
I haven’t outright answered the questions. I am in this rep range momentarily focusing on hypertrophy, just to get body weight up as quickly as possible.
At this point because of my height and leverages, just adding mass to my body is enough to keep pushing up the 1rms in SBD, overhead press etc. Usually I run HIT PPL, (working up to a heavy top set, then backing off and incorporating heavier lifting 1-3 rep range at beginning of workout followed by accessories) trying to push up power and body weight at the moment in the compounds.
I usually don’t do sets of 12+ except on accessories but because of covid the gyms are closed I am just focusing on a higher rep range since I can’t go too heavy without making noise, potentially dropping weights etc. in my home.
You also need to perform the olympic lifts as often as you possibly can, in order to "grease the hinge", so to speak. I will say though, if you're just going for explosive power and aren't so worried about your numbers on the olympic lifts, you can always do things like snatch high pulls (from the floor) and really build that explosiveness, without having to be nearly as technically proficient.
At the moment I still incorporate high pulls during pull days, sometimes snatch grip deadlifts, and so on.
Nearly every combat sports conditioning coach I've ever known has their athletes do extremely high reps for conditioning. I'm talking 30+. Of course, this should never be the case with olympic lifts, and even something like a squat is too technical, so you're basically relegated to something like a leg press for a squat movement if you're working in that rep range. The lowest amount of reps I've ever seen for mma conditioning was 10, but they still performed 10 sets, with only 30 seconds of rest between, so the heart rate still goes sky high.
For 30+ sets i have some for accessories, such as leg press, lat raises, ham curls, and so on. 20+ for squats and other things. I haven’t been doing Olympic lifts much since I started this log actually, as I have been working with a body building coach rather than strength and conditioning coach, and I just get conditioning done with kickboxing or bjj.
Maybe I missed the post and you're just focusing on hypertrophy rather than conditioning or power? I'm just confused why you'd do something like a bro split in those rep ranges with such low volume, if your goal is to be more explosive for combat sports. Honestly, even for hypertrophy the bro split is suboptimal, according to the literature. Your muscles only grow for 48 hours after hypertrophy inducing stimuli, so it's simply suboptimal to train one muscle group once per week.
Yeah right now I am focusing on hypertorphy in order to get to a weight class that better suits my height. However I don’t usually do a bro split, just the gyms are closed. I am doing it for a week hopefully two while I’m in lockdown, and using it to deload. Suboptimal for a week or two to give my body a bit of a break after 8 months without one might be helpful tbh.
Monday:
10-20 mins of greasing the hinge -- hip on pelvis contact exercise, squat snatch, etc, all with nothing but the bar
5x2 snatch
5x3 power snatch
5x3-5 snatch high pull
Bodybuilding bologna that doesn't impact your olympic lifts like curls, shoulder raises, etc,
On Tuesday, basically copy that same template, only for the clean and jerk and the appropriate accessories. Rather than isolation bodybuilding at the end, front squat or olympic squat for 5x5.
Yeah in the past when I did an intermediate Olympic lifting program 6 days a week, and have several books on the topic as well as various training plans. I will most likely get back into it when I have reached my weight goal. Front squat and back squat, DDL, have all gone up significantly since starting the body building, but I haven’t snatched in a while, C&J also has increased a lot without training it specifically.
You should really be stretching regularly too.
Yeah I stretch when I get to BJJ sessions. Honestly putting on this amount of mass quickly has really impacted my flexibility and it is a bit of a struggle keeping the flexibility/mobility up. Same with cardio, I definitely underestimated how adding 25kg in under a year would affect those performance aspects and they were two fears I had starting this.
If you want conditioning for combat sports, you're going to need to train that with a great deal of specificity, and knock off two of your lifting days to do compound lifts at extremely high reps or high reps + alot of sets.
I do make sure to get heavy lifting days in regularly, even though I work with a body building coach he takes my personal goals into consideration outside of bodybuilding so I have some work with a focus on power. I also need to make sure I have heavy compounds in since I will compete in a powerlifting comp in the coming December and outside of this bro split deload it is reflected in my programming.
Certainly not trying to shit on you, just offering a bit of advice based on the literature and standard training protocols. And it's entirely possible I simply missed your reasoning for training this way.
No problem man haha. I appreciate the good intentions. I’m aware of the literature and have read a reasonable amount about s&c, and oly lifting, just not going that exactly in that route to get to my short term goals regarding weight/strength. ATM I am Looking at this as more of a hypertrophy macrocycle and this is the main focus until I can reach and maintain my target body weight.
Good luck with your cycle and training!
Thanks! You too with your training and cycle if you’re doing one too.