Why do I hate unions?

[Kayz]

Whats up KZ,, your boy Ronald SR was the first on NAFTA,, When Clinton left office there were eight countries in NAFTA,, there are now THIRTY EIGHT COUNTRIES IN NAFTA,, Clinton fought to keep Mexican trucks out of the U.S but what did Bush do,, you got it,, let them in. Bush stood before the country and said outsourcing is a good thing, and then gives tax breaks to companies that do. As far as manufacturing there were alot more jobs when Clinton was in office. My company has cut almost 50% of the work force and production with in the last four years.. just read the headlines about imports bro,, this is not a good thing. FUCK NAFTA,, AND GORE.

I think it was one of Bush's cabinet members who spoke positive things about outsourcing. And when you really look at it, outsourcing is great from the consumer standpoint because they save money and that is all they care about!!!

Everyone preaches "buy american" because it sounds really nice and fluffy, but at the end of the day all they care about is their pocketbook. Companies are FORCED to go overseas because their customers DEMAND the lowest price on the planet.

And all it takes is for one company to outsource or buy foreign materials and all of that company's competitors must follow suit....or they are out of business!!

Why do you think Wal Mart is now the largest retailer in the world?? Because they are the cheapest. Why?? Because they outsource everything and low ball their vendors. Why?? Because they are the world's largest retailer and can do so. Why?? Because their customers love them for it.

 

[sc redneck]

Redneck,,,

Yea,, Wal-Mart is the largest, but now towns are fighting to keep them out. You see,, Wal-Mart don't add a big tax base because they force every mom and pop business to shut down. I mean who can compete. I live in what was once a big textile town. Now they have went to china with their plants and are wal fucking marts biggest supplier. The same dumb fucks that got laid off will go right over to Wal-Mart and buy there fucking shirts and bed sheets. Just don't make know since. Did you know that Chicago just got there first wal-fucking mart. There are two counties around me fighting to keep wal mart out now and I think that's great. Before I go KZ I gotta ask,, Im not a educated man as you can see, but someone with your smarts,, and it shows,, what has Bush done for you to get your vote?? Just curious,, thanks yall,, red neck,

 

[Kayz]

Yea,, Wal-Mart is the largest, but now towns are fighting to keep them out. You see,, Wal-Mart don't add a big tax base because they force every mom and pop business to shut down. I mean who can compete. I live in what was once a big textile town. Now they have went to china with their plants and are wal fucking marts biggest supplier. The same dumb fucks that got laid off will go right over to Wal-Mart and buy there fucking shirts and bed sheets. Just don't make know since. Did you know that Chicago just got there first wal-fucking mart. There are two counties around me fighting to keep wal mart out now and I think that's great. Before I go KZ I gotta ask,, Im not a educated man as you can see, but someone with your smarts,, and it shows,, what has Bush done for you to get your vote?? Just curious,, thanks yall,, red neck,

It's interesting that you bring that up. I watched a special called "The Age of Wal Mart", and they were showing how Wal Mart has become what it is today: the most successful company/retailer ever!!! It was really interesting to see t he inner workings of Wal Mart and how they operate.

One thing they said in this show though was that Wal Mart was the most vindictive company in the world. And what they were talking about was exactly what you brought up...that towns are fighting the building of Wal Mart's in their respective areas. They said that if a town is successful in stopping Wal Mart from entering their town, that Wal Mart's contingency plany is to build a Wal Mart in the town next door (literally). They know that it is usually a small portion of board members who are fighting them, and that the majority of the population WILL shop there. So to punish the town that rejected them, they will build next door, knowing that people from the first town will still come.....but their town gets ZERO tax revenue.

I'm by no means a fan of Wal Mart. They are both good and bad for the USA.

As far as Bush goes, my family and our businesses have done extremely well financially well under his leadership. It has enabled us to re-invest into our businesses by buying new trucks and new equipment, which has helped us run more efficient. Also, his tax breaks were great for us because we are small enough that we are taxed at the personal level.....so our businesses received a nice tax break.

Also, I agree with the war in Iraq. Sure, things have not gone well, but I'm an optimist and I truly believe that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. It got old under Clinton being attacked overseas and nothing being done about it. It is refreshing to me to see someone finally standing up and saying "we're not going to take this shit anymore".

That is why I fell that GWB "earned" my vote.

 

[Mark Kerr]

I saw that "Age of Wal-Mart" special. It was fantastic. People always bitch about Sam Walton being uber-rich and Wal-Mart being some evil corporate giant, but what many people dont know is that Sam Walton (and his wife) sold almost everything they had, took out a second mortgage on their home and still had to borrow money from/friends and family to start the first Wal-Mart. I say Sam deserves everything he recieved by putting his life/neck on the line to bring cheaper products to the consumer.

Also, although Wal-Mart do drive out smaller mom and pop shops, Wal-Marts almost always have a net positive effect on the community. The people that protest arent the average townsperson, its usually corporate-paranoids and the local shops that will lose business...

Go WAL-MART!!!

 

[Grizzly]

One can't really blame Wal-mart. Once again, it's the consumer who causes the local shops to go out of business.

Personally, I like small, specialty stores. I could get a decentish loaf of Italian bread at the Jewel. However, it's not nearly as good as the loaves available at the import shop, so I go there to get my dago bread.

Similarly, I would rather buy liquor at a liquor store. I would rather buy shoes at a shoe store. I would rather buy meat at a butcher's shop. I would rather buy a watch at a watch maker's store.(do those even exist anymore?)

Sure, my shopping is less convenient and probably more expensive, but I get a better product and that's what I'm most concerned with.

 

[Kayz]

I agree with Mark and Grizz here. Sure, Wal Mart is directly responsible for putting some small stores out of business, but the positive benefits that they can bring to a small community, IMO, far outweigh the negatives in most cases.

What I thought was so interesting is to save money, the CEO and CFO's of Wal Mart are NOT allowed to stay at fancy hotels while away on business...they stay in $69/night Red Rood Inns and they share rooms to save on costs.

It was a really amazing show.

On the other hand, Wal Mart does drive prices down so far that it really effects the sales of pretty much every other business in town that sells goods to the public. But like Grizz said, the public demands low prices and Wal Mart delivers. More power to them for doing it better than anyone else.

And this goes to the core of the union debate: I have been arguing that unions are bad because they drive up labor costs here in the states. Well, the American public, despite screaming "buy American", still demand extremely low prices. American companies, using American unionized labor, cannot meet the demands of the consumers. The businesses are forced to look elsewhere to cut costs. Unfortunately, it cuts the labor.

 

[Kayz]

I saw that "Age of Wal-Mart" special. It was fantastic. People always bitch about Sam Walton being uber-rich and Wal-Mart being some evil corporate giant, but what many people dont know is that Sam Walton (and his wife) sold almost everything they had, took out a second mortgage on their home and still had to borrow money from/friends and family to start the first Wal-Mart. I say Sam deserves everything he recieved by putting his life/neck on the line to bring cheaper products to the consumer.

Also, although Wal-Mart do drive out smaller mom and pop shops, Wal-Marts almost always have a net positive effect on the community. The people that protest arent the average townsperson, its usually corporate-paranoids and the local shops that will lose business...

Go WAL-MART!!!

And Sam Walton was also and extremely nice and generous man. He was truly trying to help people when he came up with Wal Mart.

I thought it was especially interesting when they told the story about when Sam Walton was flying into an airport and he could see a Wal Mart store right next to the airport...and the parking lot was empty. Sam RAN over to the store and asked the store manager why noone was shopping. Sam Walton was concerned that Wal Mart was doing something wrong and was upsetting the customers. He was scared to death that they were not providing a good service.

But the store manager told him that there was a circus or something in town and that the whole town was at the circus.....and to come back that evening and the store would be packed. Sure enough, Walton came back later that evening to see if the customers were happy.

I was impressed with that.

 

[jbiggs]

Whether you like it or not, Wallmart is an extremely well run organization. They make good profit that my portfolio is happy with.

I myself don't shop there unless I see an ad with a good deal, but they have low prices on mediocre products.

I have always believed most "small town" shops could compete fine provided they have always treated their customer base well and forged a positive image in the community. In most small towns this means a lot.

Many goods and services just can't be replaced by a conglomerate anyways. As Grizz said, white bread from Wallmart can't compete with the local bakery.

 

[MANWHORE]

Horay for wallmart!

 

[ZILLAMAN]

I did not have time to read all of the threads but i'm in the union, i do agree with some that they are lazy fuckers but some of us are not, i'm in the midwest and do get paid well , but being in the union we as the workers will see more of the profit in our pockets then a RAT outfit, because i know for a fact from where i'm from they bid jobs at about the same rate per hand as the union does, and where does that money go into the company hands (owners), and i for a fact know, you do not have any job security in the RAT field. You could work in that RAT company for 10 years be one of the best workers and being paid more then anybody then one day be let go because they tell you they can't afford to keep you anymore, because work has slowed down. I know this can happen to union workers also but not as often and it depends in what union your in because i take layoffs all the time and just hit another job, but thats my union i work for. I could go on and on but the union is not all that bad but this is my opinion no pun intended....

 

[MANWHORE]

I did not have time to read all of the threads but i'm in the union, i do agree with some that they are lazy fuckers but some of us are not, i'm in the midwest and do get paid well , but being in the union we as the workers will see more of the profit in our pockets then a RAT outfit, because i know for a fact from where i'm from they bid jobs at about the same rate per hand as the union does, and where does that money go into the company hands (owners), and i for a fact know, you do not have any job security in the RAT field. You could work in that RAT company for 10 years be one of the best workers and being paid more then anybody then one day be let go because they tell you they can't afford to keep you anymore, because work has slowed down. I know this can happen to union workers also but not as often and it depends in what union your in because i take layoffs all the time and just hit another job, but thats my union i work for. I could go on and on but the union is not all that bad but this is my opinion no pun intended....

Your in what kind of union? Trade workers unions get laid off alot but not if you get in with a big company that has alot of work. I know a guy who just retired from the carpenters union after 30 something years and worked almost steady all 30 years. I am trying to get with that company. Hopefully it will work out for me. I can understand were companies will be pissed at unions but better a company get screwed than a worker

 

[sc redneck]

It's interesting that you bring that up. I watched a special called "The Age of Wal Mart", and they were showing how Wal Mart has become what it is today: the most successful company/retailer ever!!! It was really interesting to see t he inner workings of Wal Mart and how they operate.

One thing they said in this show though was that Wal Mart was the most vindictive company in the world. And what they were talking about was exactly what you brought up...that towns are fighting the building of Wal Mart's in their respective areas. They said that if a town is successful in stopping Wal Mart from entering their town, that Wal Mart's contingency plany is to build a Wal Mart in the town next door (literally). They know that it is usually a small portion of board members who are fighting them, and that the majority of the population WILL shop there. So to punish the town that rejected them, they will build next door, knowing that people from the first town will still come.....but their town gets ZERO tax revenue.

I'm by no means a fan of Wal Mart. They are both good and bad for the USA.

As far as Bush goes, my family and our businesses have done extremely well financially well under his leadership. It has enabled us to re-invest into our businesses by buying new trucks and new equipment, which has helped us run more efficient. Also, his tax breaks were great for us because we are small enough that we are taxed at the personal level.....so our businesses received a nice tax break.

Also, I agree with the war in Iraq. Sure, things have not gone well, but I'm an optimist and I truly believe that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. It got old under Clinton being attacked overseas and nothing being done about it. It is refreshing to me to see someone finally standing up and saying "we're not going to take this shit anymore".

That is why I fell that GWB "earned" my vote.

That is why I fell that GWB "earned" my vote.[/QUOTE]
O.k bro,, you laid it out for me just like I thought you would,, but most people I ask that don't have an clue, they just say because. If I need a straight answer I know where to go,www.KZ

 

[Kayz]

That is why I fell that GWB "earned" my vote.

O.k bro,, you laid it out for me just like I thought you would,, but most people I ask that don't have an clue, they just say because. If I need a straight answer I know where to go,www.KZ[/QUOTE]

LOL....I know what you are saying bro. What killed me though was when I'd ask people at work who they were voting for they'd say "Kerry". I'd ask them why that was, and they'd say "because anybody is better than Bush". Teh majority of people who voted for Kerry, were voting against Bush!!!

 

[KILLYOU]

Your in what kind of union? Trade workers unions get laid off alot but not if you get in with a big company that has alot of work. I know a guy who just retired from the carpenters union after 30 something years and worked almost steady all 30 years. I am trying to get with that company. Hopefully it will work out for me. I can understand were companies will be pissed at unions but better a company get screwed than a worker

i too am a UNION worker, sheet l workers.. in 10 years ive missed only 2 weeks of work.. it isnt the union that lays off it is the company.... here non union SMW earn tops of 12/hour, little bennies... im at 33.90 with a 19/hour bennie package... sheetmetal trades here union and non union are at the sameconstruction prices... 70/hour... that just shows that rat companys dont feel their workers are worth as much as the are....

 

[MANWHORE]

it isnt the union that lays off it is the company....

When the company doesn't like you(not a worker,bad attitude etc) or that company doesn't have any more work,they send you back to the union which may or may not put you somewhere else. A guy i know left the carpenters union because he was constantly getting laid off. I thought there wasn't enough work,but it turns out that nobody wanted him,so the union threw him on the shit jobs hopeing he would leave and he did

 

[swing]

I will agree with you on that 110%. Especially the young black people.....they are really bad when it comes to this.

Dude, I don't know where you get that from. I work as an accountant for my state, with an office of approximately 5 Blacks, and 23 whites. Ironically, out of the 5 Blacks, 4 served in our military. As oppose to the 23 Whites, only 1 served in the military. Additionally, the only people bitching about the job are us white people. And it's well known, out of the 28 employees in the office, 4 (all white) are lazy pieces of crap. They come in late, leave early, talk on the phone during work hours, and work production is worth spit. I've found that race doesn't necessarily determine work ethic. And as one Black person told me, "Who's lazy? White people travelled across the globe, to get steal people in order for them to do someone else's work." In my office, if I needed something done, I will give it to the Blacks.

 

[Kayz]

Dude, I don't know where you get that from. I work as an accountant for my state, with an office of approximately 5 Blacks, and 23 whites. Ironically, out of the 5 Blacks, 4 served in our military. As oppose to the 23 Whites, only 1 served in the military. Additionally, the only people bitching about the job are us white people. And it's well known, out of the 28 employees in the office, 4 (all white) are lazy pieces of crap. They come in late, leave early, talk on the phone during work hours, and work production is worth spit. I've found that race doesn't necessarily determine work ethic. And as one Black person told me, "Who's lazy? White people travelled across the globe, to get steal people in order for them to do someone else's work." In my office, if I needed something done, I will give it to the Blacks.

Okay......I can tell you stories that are the exact opposite AT MY COMPANY!!!

If I need something done, I will give it to the whites.....or the 2 older black gentleman who DO WORK THIER ASS OFF!!!

Hell, even my plant manager (whom is a 62 year old black man) has told me on numerous occasions that I should not hire the younger black people from the neighborhood down the street as they aren't "worth a shit anymore".......

 

[jbiggs]

Hell, even my plant manager (whom is a 62 year old black man) has told me on numerous occasions that I should not hire the younger black people from the neighborhood down the street as they aren't "worth a shit anymore".......

Hey Kayz, didn't know you had Bill Cosby working for you!

 

[Kayz]

Hey Kayz, didn't know you had Bill Cosby working for you!

LOL. This guy actually reminds me of Cosby. He does not see color at all. However, when it is his ass on the line if the plant does not run well and efficient, he wants the best people he can get. And he has asked me to NOT hire any of the local black youth from our area because they flake out in a few weeks.

 

[MANWHORE]

Just wanted to say that i like black people. I've had many black friends in the Corp but i've seen them change once around other black people. I had a black friend who was the nicest person i ever met before he started hanging around a few of my other black friends and he became such a duce. Not one of them was ever an ass to me,i mean we were all friends in the Corp but i saw him change for the worst as soon as he starting hanging with my other friends. It's like they told him he should be mad at Everyone or should... I don't know,.... i always thought they thought they should be treated better than everyone else for being slaves in the past but i know alot of white people who think the world owes them something too,so don't really know what i'm trying to say. Dave Chappelle is funny as hell