Why do I hate unions?

[madman]

Unions are an excuse for lazy pieces of shit. Lazy f*cks get by and you can't even fire them, without a stack of paper work.

I bring in over $28/hour non-union. I also have no college just High School under my belt. If you deserve it, it's out there. Work to better yourself, don't depend on someone else to help you through life. Our cost goes up because the cost of union labor is through the roof.

What's funny is it takes union labor four times as long and twice as many personnel to do anything and a non-union company. Trust me I've been union and decided to leave it because of the lazy f*cks. Now if I catch someone screwing off, they're warned then fired if caught again. I couldn't do that at the phone company, without a ton of paper work to back up the dismissal.

 

[MANWHORE]

LOL......you don't have clue dude...not a single clue.

If the minimum wage was $12/hr., your Big Mac would cost $7....and you'd be fucking crying about the price of food!!!!

you can't have it both ways. You can't have high wages and low prices for the end user.

. Sure the minimun wage would still be $5/hr for all those fast food jobs but we wouldn't have to fight for more than $7/hr for labor jobs because there wouldn't be Mexicans working those jobs for pennies

 

[MANWHORE]

Simply NOT true...I pay my employees very very well, they take advantage of me every chance they get. They have NO problem milking the overtime, lying about their mileage reports, and taking long lunches.

It's the american way. When the Japanese PM said "American's are lazy" he was right to a certain point.

Then you need to fire them. Don't think ALL Americans are lazy because your employees are lazy and the Japs work 7 days/week so they will say the hardest working American is lazy. They say we party too much and we say they don't know how to have fun and it's true. I was in Japan,i know how they are.

 

[MANWHORE]

You are so ignorant you missed my point entirely. The point I was trying to make is that in my area (OHIO...right in the middle of union country), an overwhelming majority of the jobs deemed "undesirable" by the average person must be filled by those whom are typically uneducated. These jobs are usually menial in nature and therefore are not performed by those with a decent education. Thus, just by the nature of the job, they do not demand a high wage.

I think we'd all agree that a kid working at McDonald's is NOT worthy of $20/hr. Why?? BEcause the work does not require a great deal of skill and can be done by anyone.

Now, if there is a high school dropout who has gone to a trade school and develop the skills to make him a good electrician, then by all means, he should be paid accordingly despite his lack of a "formal" education.

Of course putting a bottle cap on a bottle doesn't require much work and the person doesn't deserve $20hr but someone busting their ass carrying boxes all day in a warehouse might

 

[MANWHORE]

How are the Americans getting screwed in this country???? Please tell me.

And the Americans have taken this country and its opportunities for granted for decades....and now their lack of respect is catching up with them.

Being an Illegal Alien means that it's illegal for them to be in this country let alone work in this country. It's funny how all the WHITE people i know don't have a problem working for their money. American BLACK people on the other hand,think America owes them something. Yes,i agree with that. Sorry,but i see it everyday and i've seen it all my life.

 

[MANWHORE]

Some people just want things handed to them without working at all. "I'm an American, thic country ows me a: job, healthcare, education, retirement"

You are not entilted to a damn thing. Get of your ass and work, then you won't need the governmet, or anyone else to give you anything.

And back to my last reply

 

[MANWHORE]

Unions are an excuse for lazy pieces of shit. Lazy f*cks get by and you can't even fire them, without a stack of paper work.

I bring in over $28/hour non-union. I also have no college just High School under my belt. If you deserve it, it's out there. Work to better yourself, don't depend on someone else to help you through life. Our cost goes up because the cost of union labor is through the roof.

What's funny is it takes union labor four times as long and twice as many personnel to do anything and a non-union company. Trust me I've been union and decided to leave it because of the lazy f*cks. Now if I catch someone screwing off, they're warned then fired if caught again. I couldn't do that at the phone company, without a ton of paper work to back up the dismissal.

And there will always be people who work the system to their advantage just like wellfair,but that doesn't mean unions shouldn't be. What happens when you loyally work for a company for 20yrs and they deside they don't want to pay you a pension,medical,or your high(compaired to a mexicans low)wages anymore so they lay(nicer word for FIRE)you off and hire someone else with a lower salary no medical and a very long time for any kind of pension,which by that time they'd get someone else to take their place? If you want loyal workers,you pay the money. If you want theives they hire them

 

[Kayz]

Being an Illegal Alien means that it's illegal for them to be in this country let alone work in this country. It's funny how all the WHITE people i know don't have a problem working for their money. American BLACK people on the other hand,think America owes them something. Yes,i agree with that. Sorry,but i see it everyday and i've seen it all my life.

I will agree with you on that 110%. Especially the young black people.....they are really bad when it comes to this.

 

[Kayz]

And there will always be people who work the system to their advantage just like wellfair,but that doesn't mean unions shouldn't be. What happens when you loyally work for a company for 20yrs and they deside they don't want to pay you a pension,medical,or your high(compaired to a mexicans low)wages anymore so they lay(nicer word for FIRE)you off and hire someone else with a lower salary no medical and a very long time for any kind of pension,which by that time they'd get someone else to take their place? If you want loyal workers,you pay the money. If you want theives they hire them

And what happens when an employer hires an individual to do a job...and the employee finds another job paying $.75/hr more?? Should that employee be loyal to his employer who gave him a chance in the first place???

Loyalty sounds all nice and dandy, but it goes both ways. Take my family for example. We own a couple of businesses. Every dime my family has is tied up in these businesses, which are doing very well!!! However, god forbid something happens and we go out of business. My drivers find another job driving...the office women find another job being receptionists...my plant workers find another manual labor job. I, on the other hand, lose my house, cars, and every dime I have to my name. So yeah, I am going to cover my ass first because at the end of the day my employees are not loyal to me. If they find another job paying $1/hr. more (without benefits....that is how dumb some people are....they never include insurance and IRA's as salary), they'd leave me in a heartbeat.

So excuse me for not sharing the loyalty that you speak of.

 

[Kayz]

Then you need to fire them. Don't think ALL Americans are lazy because your employees are lazy and the Japs work 7 days/week so they will say the hardest working American is lazy. They say we party too much and we say they don't know how to have fun and it's true. I was in Japan,i know how they are.

"fire them". Sounds nice, but it is not practical because the workers that fill some of these "lower wage" jobs are a dime a dozen. They all have the same mentality and work ethic...so you replace one lazy worker with another.

Bring on the Mexicans.

 

[Kayz]

MAnwhore,

As an employer, I can honestly say that the overwhelming majority of businesses, mine included, would LOVE to hire all Americans. Businesses would love to be able to stay here in the states and be able to compete with all the foreign labor around the world, but it just isn't possible.

One of the fundamental elements of a capitalistic society is free enterprise. With free enterprise, comes competition, which benefits the consumers. The American consumer is what drives countries to outsource or buy foreign material because they do not want to pay the high prices associated with American made products.

We used to buy a product that was made in Lansing, MI. Well, the EPA went into this plant and told them that they were going to have to put in about 40 fume scrubbers to meet the new EPA air requirements. Well, this was going to run them about $30-$45 million. The company said "fuck it, we are moving that division to Mexico". Well, $4 million dollars later, they had an absolute state of the art plant in Mexico.

We now get this product from Mexico OVER 20% CHEAPER DELIVERED FROM MEXICO THAN WE DID FROM MICHIGAN!!!!!! And the product is better in quality.

Did we want to do this?? NO. But all of our competitors were buying Chinese material and we were losing out ass in the marketplace!!! The consumer was going to all of our competitors because we were too high on price. Did the consumer want to buy "American made products"???? Fuck no, they wanted the cheapest price.

If the government is going to demonize businesses for outsourcing jobs, they need to demonize the American consumers for forcing businesses to look for cheaper materials/labor by going out of the USA. Convince Americans to by American, and you will see a decline in the number of outsourced jobs....I guarantee it.!!!!

And the easy solution is: "..well, lets place really high tariffs on foreign made/imported products". Well, you can't do that because then prices rise for the consumer and they bitch. Plus, it weakens the world economy, which is bad for our economy, and it creates a vicious cycle.

 

[sc redneck]

Redneck

Unions are an excuse for lazy pieces of shit. Lazy f*cks get by and you can't even fire them, without a stack of paper work.

I bring in over $28/hour non-union. I also have no college just High School under my belt. If you deserve it, it's out there. Work to better yourself, don't depend on someone else to help you through life. Our cost goes up because the cost of union labor is through the roof.

What's funny is it takes union labor four times as long and twice as many personnel to do anything and a non-union company. Trust me I've been union and decided to leave it because of the lazy f*cks. Now if I catch someone screwing off, they're warned then fired if caught again. I couldn't do that at the phone company, without a ton of paper work to back up the dismissal.

You dont have a fucking clue!!! Im union and you make more than me, how many times do you have to change your fucking shirt because its ringing wet with sweat,,, or eat your lunch on the way home after a 12 hour shift. Where your work area stays around the 100 degree mark,, hey man,,, fuck off,,

 

[Kayz]

You dont have a fucking clue!!! Im union and you make more than me, how many times do you have to change your fucking shirt because its ringing wet with sweat,,, or eat your lunch on the way home after a 12 hour shift. Where your work area stays around the 100 degree mark,, hey man,,, fuck off,,

LOL.....why does he have to work in a 100 degree plant sweating his balls off to make more than you???

Hell, it took you 20 years at Cooper Tire (by the way, we have one of those up here too) to get where you are at. And like you said, with unions everything is based on seniority, which is why you still work 3rd shift.

Now, say a guy has 30+ years in......he's not going anywhere and he knows it because he pulls rank on everyone in the plant. What incentive is there for him to work hard????? NONE!!!

Come to my house and we'll go to a local bar where all the union guys hang out. Hell, we have dozens of "union halls" where electricians and plumbers whom don't have a lot to do just hang out and drink all day waiting for a foreman to come in and ask for help.

 

[Kayz]

Union made products are better quality because its the union workers company to and he wants it to be better and cheaper than the computition.

OMFG....that was the funniest thing I've read on Meso. Thanx buddy, I needed that this morning.

If union workers are so great and they want to be "cheaper than the competition" than why are they always striking for a larger contract???? Why do they all demand $20/hr. for work most 10 year olds can do (excluding contractors and electricians....etc.)????

If they want to be so fuckign cheap, then why are they "losing" their jobs to foreign laborers????

Why do union workers feel as if their company "owes" them something??? Just because you have 20 years in doesn't mean shit to me!!!! You should be thankful you have had a job for those 20 years and were able to provide for your family.

 

[madman]

And what happens when an employer hires an individual to do a job...and the employee finds another job paying $.75/hr more?? Should that employee be loyal to his employer who gave him a chance in the first place???

I had this happen to me and I went straight to my boss. He said he can't do anything for me at the moment but come March he would make it worth my while to stay. I stayed and I got a damn good raise for displaying my loyalty to the company.

 

[Grizzly]

I just meant that it was our ancestors and fathers that fought and died for this country. There is no illegal immigrant with claims to that. Therefore, I feel it's disrespectful to those who served to not hire the American (who is probably thier son or nephew) for $15/hour, and instead hire the Mexican for $7.50.

My grandfather fought in WWII. Other than that, the two polocks on my dad's side and the rest of the family wasn't even here, let alone fighting in any wars for "our freedom".

 

[Grizzly]

yea.. you fuckers don't remember the 12 year olds working in the textile mills do ya,,

I have 20 years in and I am on midnight shift, because there is no turnover. You need 25 years or better to have a daylight job there. Oh well I,ve had a couple,, just thought I would spout a little.. oh yea,, almost forgot,, damn a republican,,,,,,

Neither do you unless you're over 100 years old.

Don't you find it repulsive that something as asinine as seniority determines your ability to take vacation, have nice hours, get over time? Shouldn't your attendance, ability, willingness to hump, etc. be more important than the fact that the lazy, cocksmoker who works the machine over started 2 days before you did?

 

[Kayz]

I had this happen to me and I went straight to my boss. He said he can't do anything for me at the moment but come March he would make it worth my while to stay. I stayed and I got a damn good raise for displaying my loyalty to the company.

....and that is the right thing to do. But many people will not do that, will not give ample notice, and will just take off. That leaves the company in a bind.

 

[MANWHORE]

And what happens when an employer hires an individual to do a job...and the employee finds another job paying $.75/hr more?? Should that employee be loyal to his employer who gave him a chance in the first place???

Loyalty sounds all nice and dandy, but it goes both ways. Take my family for example. We own a couple of businesses. Every dime my family has is tied up in these businesses, which are doing very well!!! However, god forbid something happens and we go out of business. My drivers find another job driving...the office women find another job being receptionists...my plant workers find another manual labor job. I, on the other hand, lose my house, cars, and every dime I have to my name. So yeah, I am going to cover my ass first because at the end of the day my employees are not loyal to me. If they find another job paying $1/hr. more (without benefits....that is how dumb some people are....they never include insurance and IRA's as salary), they'd leave me in a heartbeat.

So excuse me for not sharing the loyalty that you speak of.

Well,if they leave you for 1-2 dollars an hr more then they aren't loyal employees unless they are getting the same benefits with their new company,in which case you may not have been paying them enough,which goes back to what this post is all about. If they don't understand that benefits need to be counted in pay then we aren't talking about the same kind of people. Benefits are a write off to you anyway and higher wages aren't so benefits work out for you just as for the employee.

 

[deakanutz]

Another hotel story, all our maids are mexican woman and are paid minimum wage, expected to clean 24 rooms/day at 20 minutes per room. They stay with the company forever. Try getting an American to do that job, not a chance. Worst job in the hotel. Now if we paid twice as much we may get a couple Americans but your hotel room would cost about fifty bux more per night.

People need to understand that labor is the single biggest expense for a company and if not monitored can bankrupt the company. Look at the Airlines, labor cost is sending them into the tank and the dumb ass pilots unions go on strike. It will be hard to strike when they have no company.

Oh and the Japanese are not harder workers they are just stupid workers. They live for their company and have no lives period. What a miserable existence. We as Americans demand a life outside of work and will not tolerate that Japanese work life of 16 hour days 7 days a week. Oh and by the way, their once great companies are all in the crapper right now, maybe from employee burnout?