When can I water fast after tren?

[Juicedhead]

Lmao… I wouldn’t call him a BB… Maybe a fruitcake and a wack job but… he was good for a lot of very overweight people during that era of misinformation because he preached diet and self love. He was more aerobic exercise.

i just googled richard, to be honest i feel bad for that guy man.. it says someone kid napped him and shit he tried to become a women but failed i guess idk seems like the guy has had a rough life.

 

[Astartes]

i just googled richard, to be honest i feel bad for that guy man.. it says someone kid napped him and shit he tried to become a women but failed i guess idk seems like the guy has had a rough life.

Self created. The kidnapping was sad though.

 

[Juicedhead]

Self created. The kidnapping was sad though.

yeah, rich people are targets man you cant trust anyone.

 

[laclark89]

when he was an amature? Did they used to have weigh classes in the pro ranks? Well at least he wouldnt have a bubble gut and hes be peeled as fuck haha and whos richard simmons?

I think it was a olympia, simmons was also know for doing a 30 day water fast his hair fell out an he almost died if I remember correct

Richard Simmons was hilarious… flaming as can be and his gym dress code always cracked me up. Honestly, one of the first fitness influencers before cell phones

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Oh man I remember my mom having on the tv in the living room running around lol, That's around the slim fast and Jenney Craig days.

 

[Juicedhead]

I think it was a olympia, simmons was also know for doing a 30 day water fast his hair fell out an he almost died if I remember correct

Oh man I remember my mom having on the tv in the living room running around lol, That's around the slim fast and Jenney Craig days.

i dont think they ever had weight classes in pro bodybuilding before 212 and classic. but i do fucking remember this bro i rememrber dorian tlaking about this i think he was doing it because of his bubble gut but i cant remember forsure, it waent to make weifht tho.

 

[laclark89]

Yea it wasent to make weight, could have been for the gut, but I think he said he just hadn't been as shredded as he should have been 3 days out.

 

[Pulpfiction]

One week into pinning 100 tren ace eod and 600/mgs test a week, havent pinned in 3 days. I decided I wanted to do a 20 day water only fast instead of a typical defecit cut but am.worried about how the tren could interact with that so I am hesitant to start just yet. Was wondeting how long it should take before im good to go

Don’t water fast, you are going to be weak as hell on top of coming off of the gear. Just watched something where someone died from water fasting, much better ways to clear your system out, assuming that’s what you’re doing it for

 

[Juicedhead]

Don’t water fast, you are going to be weak as hell on top of coming off of the gear. Just watched something where someone died from water fasting, much better ways to clear your system out, assuming that’s what you’re doing it for

really? do you knoiw how long they fasted for?

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

Hair falls out from fasting? Oh man

 

[Juicedhead]

Yea it wasent to make weight, could have been for the gut, but I think he said he just hadn't been as shredded as he should have been 3 days out.

you know whats weird bro? Is these guys take insulin and carb up backstage which causes the bubble gut, I was thinking if they fasted for like 24 hrs before the show they would have way tighter waists imo there wouldnt be all that food and water and waste in there gut. Idk they wouldnt be as full but i think they would be dry as fuck a peeled and have a tight waste. Im curious what would happen if you did this.

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

you know whats weird bro? Is these guys take insulin and carb up backstage which causes the bubble gut, I was thinking if they fasted for like 24 hrs before the show they would have way tighter waists imo there wouldnt be all that food and water and waste in there gut. Idk they wouldnt be as full but i think they would be dry as fuck a peeled and have a tight waste. Im curious what would happen if you did this.

I've seen most guys say they drop the slin before the stage, and I'm pretty sure carbing up before is mandatory, big gut or not, I bet it looks better than 24 hours fasted.

 

[Juicedhead]

I've seen most guys say they drop the slin before the stage, and I'm pretty sure carbing up before is mandatory, big gut or not, I bet it looks better than 24 hours fasted.

i think they did stop slinning up before a show. when bubble guts got way out of control a few years back. (roelly, phil, all the top guys) they stopped using slin to carb up. Idk man i think the judges would be happy to see guys come in more dry and peeled and flat than full watery and bubble gut sticking way the fuck out. You know how much bigger they would look with a tight waist? Illusion bro illusion I mean how much muslce you gunna lose in 24 hrs on a fuck ton of gear that holds muscle. Youd just lose whagtever water was left and whatever fat was left. I tried it once and i took an adderall and i was fucking peeeeeeled when i woke up the next morning and veiny as shit but i alwasy look the best first thing in the am before my first meal

 

[laclark89]

you know whats weird bro? Is these guys take insulin and carb up backstage which causes the bubble gut, I was thinking if they fasted for like 24 hrs before the show they would have way tighter waists imo there wouldnt be all that food and water and waste in there gut. Idk they wouldnt be as full but i think they would be dry as fuck a peeled and have a tight waste. Im curious what would happen if you did this.

I've seen most guys say they drop the slin before the stage, and I'm pretty sure carbing up before is mandatory, big gut or not, I bet it looks better than 24 hours fasted.

I dont know but some times when I wake up in the am after not eating or drinking water in like 8 hrs i look sick af.

Then agin if I go out on a weekend with the fam an have a cheat pizza or burger an fries n shake or something I'll get a crazy pump in the restaurant my veins with start popping all over and I'll start sweating.

But I'm sure my stomach is flatter first thing in the am.

 

[Juicedhead]

I dont know but some times when I wake up in the am after not eating or drinking water in like 8 hrs i look sick af.

Then agin if I go out on a weekend with the fam an have a cheat pizza or burger an fries n shake or something I'll get a crazy pump in the restaurant my veins with start popping all over and I'll start sweating.

But I'm sure my stomach is flatter first thing in the am.

Some guys wake up looking flat and sickly, some guys wake up looking dry and full. Im lucky i guess ha, It would still be interesting, or at least 12 hr fast id be curious if that would help the waistline.

 

[cujo]

Gonna start a DNP and insulin fast without water

 

[malfeasance]

I mean how much muslce you gunna lose in 24 hrs on a fuck ton of gear that holds muscle.

I don't know if you have ever competed, but it is not about losing muscle.

I will give you a real world example. There was a 9 pound difference between my carb depleted state 5 days prior to weigh in (6 days prior to competition) and my weigh in weight. That was 9 pounds of carbing up.

So you get rid of all the fat in the months prior to the show. Somewhere around a week before, you deplete your muscles of glycogen. You look sickly and stringy and nasty.

Then you "carb up," which really means several days of adding glycogen and water to your muscle. You are not "adding muscle," but you take that stringy look and fill those muscles up like balloons.

If your prep was done well, there is nothing between the skin and muscle. As the muscles swell, they push up tight against the skin.

There is a maximum point - and once you pass it, they call it "spilling over." You'll know when this happens because you will start to look blurry. All the striations begin to go away. It is water placing itself in between the muscle and the skin.

So you are playing this game of filling up your muscles to their maximum capacity without spilling over and blurring out all of that great definition.

You then spend the next two days (weigh in day and competition day) staying full without spilling over. It is a constant back and forth on carbs and water.

Now if you are Dorian Yates, or some similar behemoth, that is a lot of food to push in. I am much smaller, and I used foods that pack a lot of carbs in a small package (nothing like eating in prep). But Dorian has a lot of muscle to "blow up" with water (glycogen carries three parts water with it), and if he fasted, his muscles would quite literally get a deflated look, like a balloon with some of the air let out.

On Monday, I look sickly, like I am dying. On Saturday I am taking heavyweight and overall. That is how it works. Fasting would have me looking more like the sickly and dying look, not a good look for the stage. On stage, you have to maximize that carb up and swell up the muscles but back off if there is a hint of you looking "watery."

So fasting is a bad competition strategy. Just my two cents. I do not train or prep any pros. I did, however, stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Hes going full on richard simmons lmao mabe 10 days shorter. Or are you guys are too young for that?



I agree retarded, but as a bb what do you think about dorian fasting for 3 days before that show because he came in too heavy and still won. I know it was out of desperation but how much muscle do you think would be lost?

Competition is different. You do what you have to do. With anabolics pre-contest probably not a ton to actual tissue but surely plenty of glycogen and stored water.

If it was strictly for fat loss I’m not sure that’s a great idea. We certainly know more about this stuff than now the 90s guys did.

 

[Juicedhead]

I don't know if you have ever competed, but it is not about losing muscle.

I will give you a real world example. There was a 9 pound difference between my carb depleted state 5 days prior to weigh in (6 days prior to competition) and my weigh in weight. That was 9 pounds of carbing up.

So you get rid of all the fat in the months prior to the show. Somewhere around a week before, you deplete your muscles of glycogen. You look sickly and stringy and nasty.

Then you "carb up," which really means several days of adding glycogen and water to your muscle. You are not "adding muscle," but you take that stringy look and fill those muscles up like balloons.

If your prep was done well, there is nothing between the skin and muscle. As the muscles swell, they push up tight against the skin.

There is a maximum point - and once you pass it, they call it "spilling over." You'll know when this happens because you will start to look blurry. All the striations begin to go away. It is water placing itself in between the muscle and the skin.

So you are playing this game of filling up your muscles to their maximum capacity without spilling over and blurring out all of that great definition.

You then spend the next two days (weigh in day and competition day) staying full without spilling over. It is a constant back and forth on carbs and water.

Now if you are Dorian Yates, or some similar behemoth, that is a lot of food to push in. I am much smaller, and I used foods that pack a lot of carbs in a small package (nothing like eating in prep). But Dorian has a lot of muscle to "blow up" with water (glycogen carries three parts water with it), and if he fasted, his muscles would quite literally get a deflated look, like a balloon with some of the air let out.

On Monday, I look sickly, like I am dying. On Saturday I am taking heavyweight and overall. That is how it works. Fasting would have me looking more like the sickly and dying look, not a good look for the stage. On stage, you have to maximize that carb up and swell up the muscles but back off if there is a hint of you looking "watery."

So fasting is a bad competition strategy. Just my two cents. I do not train or prep any pros. I did, however, stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

good post. I do know about the depletion process and the carb up process. I guess i have never done it myself so idk what flat and depleted really looks like. I honestly dont know if i could get through peak week. training with lilke 30g of carbs and low water and all that shit idk how guys can compete multiple times a year man that shit sounds like hell haha

Edit: I have never competed honestly i couldnt stick to a diet for more then a few weeks i would break down and go get burgers and fris and waaaay over do it and end up cheating for like 3-4 meals in a row and then when id go back to diet food id be thinking fuck this shit sucks. haha i guess i didnt want it enough. I have a lot of respect for pro bodybuilders especially guys who dont have amazing genetivs and actuallty have to work their ass off for years to turn pro or win a show. man the self conrol and consistincy thats needed.. most people have no fucking clue how hard that is

 

[VegasNick99]

What wouod happen if one was in a 500 defecit of maintainance daily...nothing insane but like 90% of those calories were carbs. Like a 200lb guy on gear only getting in 50gs of protein. Would you still expect him to lose muscle mass because of the minimal protein?

 

[Pulpfiction]

really? do you knoiw how long they fasted for?

40 days, but they hit there head when they were super weak from dehydration so one could make the argument it was from the head injury but that wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t for the water fast