When can I water fast after tren?

[VegasNick99]

Fasting is inferior in almost every metric than more structured, intelligent dieting.

There's literally zero reason to fast for any performance based reason. It is no more effective than regular coloric restriction (when intake is equated) and is very often far less effective, and comes with a slew of negative health ramifications.


If you want to lose weight, just follow a diet plan or regimen intelligently.ta

Fasting is inferior in almost every metric than more structured, intelligent dieting.

There's literally zero reason to fast for any performance based reason. It is no more effective than regular coloric restriction (when intake is equated) and is very often far less effective, and comes with a slew of negative health ramifications.


If you want to lose weight, just follow a diet plan or regimen intelligently.

You can lose weight much much quicker

check out the guy that fasted for a whole year, he lost hundreds of pounds, it was done under medical supervision all he took was water, electrolites and some vitamins I believe.
Why do I bring this up? one small little thing... : he did NOT have loose skin at the end of the fast! Know why? because his body canibalized every source of protein that was available muscle, skin etc and here lies the problem with fasting for jacked dudes and why it is not used, you will preferentially lose more muscle mass than if you were on a normal high protein diet

All the morons that claim fasting is muscle sparing are just that morons, it makes no biological sense especially when you have excess muscle mass on your frame....

Ya use a obese guy fasting for a whole year as your arguement.

 

[29trt]

You can lose weight much much quicker

Ya use a obese guy fasting for a whole year as your arguement.

actually using the fat guy as an example is detrimental to my argument because if you knew anything about the human body you would know that when you have plenty of resources like fat, skin etc thr body does not go nuts and starts eating your muscles bones... when you get to reallly low levels of fat or you fast for a fkin year that the body starts to really eat it self....

Look fasting is great, autophagy, insulin sensitivity etc etc.... its just not great if you want to keep the muscle you built

I'll give you a perfect example so you can wrap your "brain" around it better.... look up Dave palumbo.... big 300lbs bodybuilder had to lose the muscles because of a heart issue, he tried dieting, he tried cardio he could not lose the muscle fast enough... know what he did? he starved himself....
Bodybuild and fasting are at opposite ends.... one is for building at all cost(health be dammed) and the other is for dismantling at all cost.

Oh and be carefull if you have gallstones or a lazy gallbladder fasting is going to do a number on you, and there are allot of other health implications when doing long fasts 3days+

 

[BigTomJ]

You can lose weight much much quicker

At the cost of every bit of muscle tissue you have and organ health, hormone markers, brain function, ect.

The only reason fasting "loses more weight" than more intelligent dieting is because you are catabolising contractile tissue.

In nearly every half decent human randomized control trial you can find, when calories are equated, has shown that intelligent dieting loses as much (or in some cases more) bodyfat while preserving more muscle.

Fast if you want to, but if you want to fast you should just forget about AAS and the gym from now on because you're wasting your time.

 

[MA11]

Just another "Tren in the title" gem.

I collect them from now on.

 

[OmL]

It’s the fuckin twilight zone on here. A 20 fucking day water fast?! What the bollox is this shit?

Literally No food and steroids? This is the most contradictive shit I’ve ever read.

 

[malfeasance]

Fasting has all sorts of benefits, but none of them have anything to do with bodybuilding.

If the OP is obese and diabetic, fasting can quite literally cure the diabetic portion, and the benefits for weight loss should be obvious - certainly a better plan than, well, the "I am obese and injecting tren" plan.

Personally, having been a bodybuilder, I would put together a diet and cardio and get to it, BUT, if I were diabetic I would absolutely consider a short fast. It is one of the proven ways to cure diabetes if you have not been insulin dependent for many years.

But you will lose muscle mass, and so you see the reaction of the posters here, on a steroid and bodybuilding site. I would consider that a small price to pay for becoming non-diabetic in short order.

 

[phenominal34]

Fasting is inferior in almost every metric than more structured, intelligent dieting.

There's literally zero reason to fast for any performance based reason. It is no more effective than regular coloric restriction (when intake is equated) and is very often far less effective, and comes with a slew of negative health ramifications.


If you want to lose weight, just follow a diet plan or regimen intelligently.

The health ramifications is absolutely false !!! It’s extremely healthy to fast. Maybe not for bodybuilding standards but for health.. it def is

 

[Juicedhead]

yeah guys fasting is healthy wtf are we talking about here thats common sense. the rock aka dwayne jacked dude johnson intermitten fast he has for years he gets all his food in like a 6 hr window everudau and he does actual fast for a few days at a time. he has the best doctors advising him. Fasting is healthy everyone knows this. yeah youre going to lose muscle but that can be easily gained back once you start eating a training again.

 

[Juicedhead]

Fasting has all sorts of benefits, but none of them have anything to do with bodybuilding.

If the OP is obese and diabetic, fasting can quite literally cure the diabetic portion, and the benefits for weight loss should be obvious - certainly a better plan than, well, the "I am obese and injecting tren" plan.

Personally, having been a bodybuilder, I would put together a diet and cardio and get to it, BUT, if I were diabetic I would absolutely consider a short fast. It is one of the proven ways to cure diabetes if you have not been insulin dependent for many years.

But you will lose muscle mass, and so you see the reaction of the posters here, on a steroid and bodybuilding site. I would consider that a small price to pay for becoming non-diabetic in short order.

yes thank you for saying this, diabetes can be cured from a good fast. If youre diabetic fasting is even more beneficial to your health

 

[TheRingloVale]

Somalians fast all the time and look how healthy they are

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

And guys fun fact guys fasting actually increases testosterone in average joes not enhanced

yeah guys fasting is healthy wtf are we talking about here thats common sense. the rock aka dwayne jacked dude johnson intermitten fast he has for years he gets all his food in like a 6 hr window everudau and he does actual fast for a few days at a time. he has the best doctors advising him. Fasting is healthy everyone knows this. yeah youre going to lose muscle but that can be easily gained back once you start eating a training again.

I remember a magazine article a while back with him saying he eats 7 times a day.

 

[BigTomJ]

The health ramifications is absolutely false !!! It’s extremely healthy to fast. Maybe not for bodybuilding standards but for health.. it def is

yeah guys fasting is healthy wtf are we talking about here thats common sense. the rock aka dwayne jacked dude johnson intermitten fast he has for years he gets all his food in like a 6 hr window everudau and he does actual fast for a few days at a time. he has the best doctors advising him. Fasting is healthy everyone knows this. yeah youre going to lose muscle but that can be easily gained back once you start eating a training again.

yes thank you for saying this, diabetes can be cured from a good fast. If youre diabetic fasting is even more beneficial to your health

Every single proposed health benefits of time restricted feeding (intermittent fasting) or sustained fasting are not unique to fasting and are present in all forms of calorie restriction.

However, with sustained fasting there are actual, measurable adverse health effects such as impaired thyroid function.

Intermittent fasting is fine as a tool in calorie restriction if that makes adherence easier for some individuals, but it has no additional benefits when calories are equated.


Ps. We don't take diet advice from celebrities, especially from celebrities with a track record of blatantly lying about what they do.

 

[VegasNick99]

Apothogy

 

[Juicedhead]

autophagy. the rapid growth of the penis.

 

[BigTomJ]

Apothogy

Autophagy*

And we still don't know if fasting truly triggers autophagy in any meaningful way, and if it is truly a healthy benefit.

It's hypothesized to be beneficial but there isn't enough evidence to say for certain that it is, or that any degree of fasting would trigger it in a meaningful enough way to yield a health benefit

 

[VegasNick99]

Benjamin franklin and plato did 30 day fasts fwiw

 

[Juicedhead]

Benjamin franklin and plato did 30 day fasts fwiw

i can vouch for this

 

[Juicedhead]

vegasnick bigtom is actually right tho if autophagy is what you seek you can get great autotophagy from a calorie restricted diet as well as weight training. So i guess he is right in you can get all the benefits from fasting with a low cal diet. i was not aware of this to be honest. Maybe intermitten fasting with a lower cal diet will be better?

 

[VegasNick99]

My main issue is stubborn belly fat and I wanna lose as much fat as quickly as possible. I am 25 to 30% bf and never seen my abs..I have some muscle built but not a ton. I always bail out on diets and go back to bulk for a couple months then change my mind again and go back to cutting for like a month or 2 half assed unmotivated thus getting nowhere. So in my head I almost dont even care if I lose muscle or not, I mean I do but I am just so desperate tonlose this belly fat that it becomes only priority

 

[TheRingloVale]

I always bail out on diets and go back to bulk for a couple months then change my mind again and go back to cutting for like a month or 2 half assed unmotivated thus getting nowhere.

Ah, so it's a mental issue. In the end you'll either stick with something or you won't. What makes you think fasting would be any different?