What E2 levels do you feel best at? (Poll)

[RockyP]

Yes, another poll.

I've been trouble shooting my TRT+ regimen, playing around with Test dosages and trying to taper / discontinue an AI with recent addition of NPP and neurosis about using Mast / Primo due to low HDL (ironically my Total Chol / HDL and LDL / HDL places me at average risk, though ApoB / ApoA1 has me at 2x average risk).

In my futzing around I went back over some older bloodwork and found that even when I was on Test 300 with no AI and my E2 was 100, I didn't have any typical E2 symptoms. It was at that time that my HRT doc added in Arimidex 1.5 mg weekly. That brought me down into the 30's, but in the same timeframe my HDL fell from 39 to 30. I've since dropped the test to 200, reduced the arimidex to 0.5 mg, and added NPP 150. Subjectively, I feel quite a bit better (NPP just started so it's not in play yet) on the lower test / lower AI. Recent Labs taken before the adjustment on 300 test / 1.5 Arimidex had E2 at 35 and I was feeling some joint pain (non-specific), but otherwise ok. I'll be re-checking bloods in about 4-6 weeks to see what the E2, prolactin levels are on this regimen, but I'm curious where others like to have their E2 live. We seem to sort of ignore the "reference range" on certain labs (i.e. test) when it suits us, but at other times we obsess about being the reference range. I don't think it's ever a great idea to have E2 around 100 like mine was on 300 test with no AI, but I'm wondering if mid / high 40's might be a sweet spot.

Please share your experiences.

 

[vapor77]

30-40 feels best for me.

 

[Nidus]

37-45 is perfect, anything above 50 turns me into a moody bitch, below 30 i feel like a robot, no feelings, no drive, achy joints, shit sleep

 

[Zc7219]

30-40 for me.

Kept my estrogen around 20 for years thinking it was how I was supposed to feel. Didn’t realize how shitty I felt until I let it rise.

 

[Shoobiedoubie]

40-50 for me, but thats also where my gyno flares up

 

[Bocacolony]

40-50 for me, but thats also where my gyno flares up

What are the early signs of that kind of flare up for you? I'm riding around 140wk test c, getting labs soon but curious what it feels like. My nipples have always been kind of sensitive do I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary

 

[BamaCrazy]

What are the early signs of that kind of flare up for you? I'm riding around 140wk test c, getting labs soon but curious what it feels like. My nipples have always been kind of sensitive do I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary

Other than the sensitivity, you could feel pain, puffy nipples, and/or feel a hard or rubbery lump around and under the nipple.

 

[Bocacolony]

Other than the sensitivity, you could feel pain, puffy nipples, and/or feel a hard or rubbery lump around and under the nipple.

I'm just paranoid about it, mine are sensitive but nothing else, is there a specific blood panel to test for warning signs

 

[BamaCrazy]

I'm just paranoid about it, mine are sensitive but nothing else, is there a specific blood panel to test for warning signs

Keep an eye E2 sensitive and prolactin levels. An imbalance in estrogen and testosterone causes gyno. This causes elevated levels of prolactin which stimulates breast tissue growth.

Take P5P. Keep an AI, caber and Raloxifene on hand.

 

[malomkarom]

Keep an eye E2 sensitive and prolactin levels. An imbalance in estrogen and testosterone causes gyno. This causes elevated levels of prolactin which stimulates breast tissue growth.

Take P5P. Keep an AI, caber and Raloxifene on hand.

Caber on trt? da fak

 

[BamaCrazy]

Caber on trt? da fak

No. Caber on hand if you are worried about gyno. I don’t think he should be worried about gyno on TRT but he seems worried nonetheless

 

[Optimizaa28]

It’s not just solely about your E2 levels, but the ratio between total T and E2, which should be between 10 and 30 when dividing TT by E2 in ng/dl

 

[Eddie.]

It’s not just solely about your E2 levels, but the ratio between total T and E2, which should be between 10 and 30 when dividing TT by E2 in ng/dl

That's not true. Perhaps has a standpoint for those who take 200-250mg and have 1000-1500ng/dl, but for those who have 5000+ng/dl?

 

[Optimizaa28]

That's not true. Perhaps has a standpoint for those who take 200-250mg and have 1000-1500ng/dl, but for those who have 5000+ng/dl?

Fair point, in the case of a TT of 5000+ ng/dl, I would say push this ratio to 50-100. At this point it’s preference, and of course no gyno symptoms.

 

[Eddie.]

Fair point, in the case of a TT of 5000+ ng/dl, I would say push this ratio to 50-100. At this point it’s preference, and of course no gyno symptoms.

When i messed with HCG, with 1450ng/dl i had a e2 of 106 and zero symptoms, obviously i reduced it in half when i realised it. Gyno is just one of the many problems high estradiol in men could induce. No matter the test dose there's no point of being higher than 50pg/ml.

 

[RockyP]

When i messed with HCG, with 1450ng/dl i had a e2 of 106 and zero symptoms, obviously i reduced it in half when i realised it. Gyno is just one of the many problems high estradiol in men could induce. No matter the test dose there's no point of being higher than 50pg/ml.

Have you ever run the “Todd Lee special” aka as high a test dosage as you can while keeping E2 within your preferred range and then just loading up on Mast? Part of me wants to try this but part of me is just too satisfied with test / primo to mess with it.

 

[Eddie.]

Have you ever run the “Todd Lee special” aka as high a test dosage as you can while keeping E2 within your preferred range and then just loading up on Mast? Part of me wants to try this but part of me is just too satisfied with test / primo to mess with it.

No, I ran test mast 1/1 and felt like trash. Joints hurt, I was cramping like crazy, libido was meh.. never again, I have couple vials left I’m gonna run probably in cruise phases like low dose, 100-150 on top of 250-300 test. Otherwise it’s useless to me, I can’t run it high. I prefer primo 10 times.

 

[RockyP]

No, I ran test mast 1/1 and felt like trash. Joints hurt, I was cramping like crazy, libido was meh.. never again, I have couple vials left I’m gonna run probably in cruise phases like low dose, 100-150 on top of 250-300 test. Otherwise it’s useless to me, I can’t run it high. I prefer primo 10 times.

Thanks for the input. Have heard as much from others. I’m currently running test 300/primo200. Was thinking of swapping the primo for mast just to see how i feel. But I’ll prob wait till next cruise since this is working so well. Years ago I ran test 250 / npp 150 / mast 150 and loved it. Nandrolone prob had something to do with it. Never ran test / mast together and pushed the dose.

 

[Ghoul]

I'm just paranoid about it, mine are sensitive but nothing else, is there a specific blood panel to test for warning signs

Keep an AI on hand. I like aromasin, but any will do. Sometimes other factors change, you go on a new med or something, and suddenly one or both nipples feels "spicy" or worse, a lump develops.

You don't want to be scrambling for ancillaries at that point. Better to have it and not need it. Like a fire extinguisher.

Because then you're messing with AAS doses under pressure, and that leads to other issues. Vs just popping 12.5mg / wk aromasin (or whatever) to quickly edge E2 down while you develop a plan.

 

[Eddie.]

Thanks for the input. Have heard as much from others. I’m currently running test 300/primo200. Was thinking of swapping the primo for mast just to see how i feel. But I’ll prob wait till next cruise since this is working so well. Years ago I ran test 250 / npp 150 / mast 150 and loved it. Nandrolone prob had something to do with it. Never ran test / mast together and pushed the dose.

Some swear about it, some don’t like it at all. I wasn’t expecting to gain much tbh but at least I’d like to have that well being feeling, libido and water excretion but it was a sad compound lol. I was at 500 test 500 mast and 140 tren and i was expecting much from this combination.

It was my highest total mg but all those nasty things made me drop it completely, reduce test to 300 and bump the tren to 200. Then everything improved like instantly, I was a different person. No more cramps, mood was awesome, libido was to the freaking roof, and didn’t lost anything despite I dropped 600mg from the total mg.

Actually tren did to me what mast supposed to do but with more positive effects and zero sides. A little tren goes a long way, I’d take that instead of all the mast of the world haha.