What do you think my BF% is?

[Deleted member 123722]

I just spoke to my buddy Gabe.

He says I'm probably around 14-15 bf% because I have my hamstrings coming in, and that the majority of my fat is around my waste and lower back, which is indicative of estrogen... either way, he agrees that cutting phase is now over, and that I should continue running my cycle of gear, but use higher calories to drive new muscle growth because my body will be in "rebound" mode. He says this especially because I'm using 10ius of GH use. He also suggested to get on something that will help with insulin resistance, such as ALA or Berberine.

He wants me to up my protein to 275g and carbs to 500g on training days. He says that my body is indeed burnt out and wants to rebound; thus, I should use this opportunity to my advantage and add new muscle; if done correctly, and not with shit food, he said I may actually look bigger and leaner. Another three months of gear isn't going to kill me, however, he said it's time to drop the clen, but keep the t3 at a 25mcg maintenance dose.

As for as training, he said keep it the same, including 30mins of cardio; allow the food to drive new muscle growth, and not to add any more to my gear.

After this three-month rebounding period, to take off completely for a month and inject nothing. Then reassess when body is cleared out and ready to either bulk or cut again. But yea, it's basically too late now to keep going, without sacrificing more muscle or worse.

So I guess that's that then... problem solved by asking a coach.

 

[1tank1]

I just spoke to my buddy Gabe.

He says I'm probably around 14-15 bf% because I have my hamstrings coming in, and that the majority of my fat is around my waste and lower back, which is indicative of estrogen... either way, he agrees that cutting phase is now over, and that I should continue running my cycle of gear, but use higher calories to drive new muscle growth because my body will be in "rebound" mode. He says this especially because I'm using 10ius of GH use. He also suggested to get on something that will help with insulin resistance, such as ALA or Berberine.

He wants me to up my protein to 275g and carbs to 500g on training days. He says that my body is indeed burnt out and wants to rebound; thus, I should use this opportunity to my advantage and add new muscle; if done correctly, and not with shit food, he said I may actually look bigger and leaner. Another three months of gear isn't going to kill me, however, he said it's time to drop the clen, but keep the t3 at a 25mcg maintenance dose.

As for as training, he said keep it the same, including 30mins of cardio; allow the food to drive new muscle growth, and not to add any more to my gear.

After this three-month rebounding period, to take off completely for a month and inject nothing. Then reassess when body is cleared out and ready to either bulk or cut again. But yea, it's basically too late now to keep going, without sacrificing more muscle or worse.

So I guess that's that then... problem solved by asking a coach.

I was in the process of typing a response similar to this (but I'm not a coach) and what your buddy said is spot on IME.

You've reached a plateau and your genetics are now hindering further progress.

Give your body a little break and then hit it hard again in 2-3 months but maybe try a different training and diet approach next time. If you don't continually shock the body into new growth/change.....gains will eventually always slow down/stop.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I was in the process of typing a response similar to this (but I'm not a coach) and what your buddy said is spot on IME.

You've reached a plateau and your genetics are now hindering further progress.

Give your body a little break and then hit it hard again in 2-3 months but maybe try a different training and diet approach next time. If you don't continually shock the body into new growth/change.....gains will eventually always slow down/stop.

Yea. I know that I'm burning out, and if I wanted to make more progress, I would have to take more drastic and unsustainable methods. I no doubt made HUGE progress from being the fat whale that I was; I just hope his plan doesn't add too much fat and the gear/GH really work their magic. I have a feeling they will, because the one week I took a diet break and ate whatever I wanted, I came into the gym and crushed shoulders with a new hammer PR: 4 plates on each side for six reps. Not much, but considering I could only do six reps with 3 plates the week before lol. Just goes to show how starved my body is.

Also, I'm losing weigh so rapidly—it's too fast. Typically, one loses 1 lb a week; I've been losing 1 lb a day since ramping up GH to 10ius. He said with GH that high, I need to feed the body more and it will help me put on size without gaining much fat, if at all, which I know is true.

 

[Albozz]

I just spoke to my buddy Gabe.

He says I'm probably around 14-15 bf% because I have my hamstrings coming in, and that the majority of my fat is around my waste and lower back, which is indicative of estrogen... either way, he agrees that cutting phase is now over, and that I should continue running my cycle of gear, but use higher calories to drive new muscle growth because my body will be in "rebound" mode. He says this especially because I'm using 10ius of GH use. He also suggested to get on something that will help with insulin resistance, such as ALA or Berberine.

He wants me to up my protein to 275g and carbs to 500g on training days. He says that my body is indeed burnt out and wants to rebound; thus, I should use this opportunity to my advantage and add new muscle; if done correctly, and not with shit food, he said I may actually look bigger and leaner. Another three months of gear isn't going to kill me, however, he said it's time to drop the clen, but keep the t3 at a 25mcg maintenance dose.

As for as training, he said keep it the same, including 30mins of cardio; allow the food to drive new muscle growth, and not to add any more to my gear.

After this three-month rebounding period, to take off completely for a month and inject nothing. Then reassess when body is cleared out and ready to either bulk or cut again. But yea, it's basically too late now to keep going, without sacrificing more muscle or worse.

So I guess that's that then... problem solved by asking a coach.

So your coach told you to keep cyling after you've been on for half a year?And what rebound?You kept cheating and binging in your diet,youre not starving.What is a 1 month break going to do?The drugs are still in your system for 2-4weeks after you stop injecting.Maybe have some discipline with your next cut and you will succeed,bodybuilding isn't rocket science.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

So your coach told you to keep cyling after you've been on for half a year?And what rebound?You kept cheating and binging in your diet,youre not starving.What is a 1 month break going to do?The drugs are still in your system for 2-4weeks after you stop injecting.Maybe have some discipline with your next cut and you will succeed,bodybuilding isn't rocket science.

No, I wasn't cheating and binging on my diet; that only happened for a few days when it was my body telling me it was time to take a diet break after MONTHS being on point. If you paid attention to my log, you would see that's when those binges began. Don't come on here trying to shit on me when I'm transparent and openly admit things most people wouldn't dare be open about because of their flimsy egos, which clearly you have.

His reasoning to continue the gear is that nine months on is what people usually do in the sport, taking three months off; that's what he does. It wouldn't KILL me to take three more months on to take advantage of the rebound, which is no doubt the case. My diet breaks reinvorgated me to the point I broke PRs.

He's also not my coach; he is a personal friend who coaches, and it was very kind of him to take the time to help me out, rather than charging me 350 a month, which he could easily have done. I did teach him how to homebrew, so let's just say he is always willing to help me when I have a question.

 

[1tank1]

GH to 10ius.

That's quite a high dose in amateur/intermediate terms but are you aware GH can make you retain sodium and hold water weight?

If you're not getting as lean as you wanted to be....the GH dose could be 1 of your problems.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

That's quite a high dose in amateur/intermediate terms but are you aware GH can make you retain sodium and hold water weight?

If you're not getting as lean as you wanted to be....the GH dose could be 1 of your problems.

10ius has only been for the last 10 days; I was on 5ius ED before that. The 10ius has me losing weight daily, actually.

 

[1tank1]

10ius has only been for the last 10 days; I was on 5ius ED before that. The 10ius has me losing weight daily, actually.

I think you really need to strip things back to bare basics bro. Your hormonal system seems to be seriously fucked at the moment.

2iu GH with strict diet/cardio and a mild/moderate androgen/anabolic is more than enough for a cut while retaining muscle.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I think you really need to strip things back to bare basics bro. Your hormonal system seems to be seriously fucked at the moment.

2iu GH with strict diet/cardio and a mild/moderate androgen/anabolic is more than enough for a cut while retaining muscle.

It's probably fucked because of the fact I've been cutting for five months... it's time to end the cut and feed my body...if I strip things to bare minimum, which I could do, then I'd have to diet even harder, and put myself in a worse situation.

I lost 26lbs during my cut and didn't lose an ounce of muscle; this by no means is a failure, it's just not optimal to keep pushing a cut for another 20 weeks, so instead, he wants me to take advantage of the rebound and gain some lean tissue. Simple as that.

 

[1tank1]

It's probably fucked because of the fact I've been cutting for five months... it's time to end the cut and feed my body...if I strip things to bare minimum, which I could do, then I'd have to diet even harder, and put myself in a worse situation.

I lost 26lbs during my cut and didn't lose an ounce of muscle; this by no means is a failure, it's just not optimal to keep pushing a cut for another 20 weeks, so instead, he wants me to take advantage of the rebound and gain some lean tissue. Simple as that.

I hope things work out for you bro. I'm just trying to help.....not criticise you.

Do whatever you think is best for you

 

[MONSTRO1977]

Thing is, what I'm doing now is certainly not sustainable, nor healthy, being that I've been on gear nonstop since February 21st; that's five months cycling, not to mention, taking T3 the entire time, and then addition of clen the last two months.

When I started my cut in Feb, I was 240lbs... So I lost about 26lbs this entire time period of 20 weeks. I could have been more aggressive with my cut, but I would have certainly lost muscle.

If I'm 18% bf now View attachment 169711

then I must have been like 30%+ in this pic when I started in Feb. View attachment 169710

I'm probably going to have to stop everything and go back on TRT and maybe just GH, with a tiny deficit of like 200 calories or so, and just workout normally. Then maybe run another deeper cut later on, using tren E again, which really helps me transform.

Last year I did a six-month recomp with just cyp 200 and tren e 200...I started at 260! All I did was "clean up" my diet, eating 3k a day, did no cardio, no t3, no clen, and this happened over nine months. Sure it's a long time, but it was easy as fuck. View attachment 169712

I'm not going to lie, I'm a bit heart-broken; I've busted my ass and I'm on so much shit, its shameful I look like some dude who is barely trying. Granted, in the gym, I constantly get compliments: everyone says I look huge and learner, so I've clearly changed; perhaps I look better in person, but it's not enough to justify what I'm doing to myself. I'm so far from my goals, I don't see myself being able to sustain the gear, fat burners, cardio for another 20 weeks without a serious break. My strength has gone to shit, and the only time I felt amazing was during my diet breaks when I gained back like 15lbs and I broke a PR on shoulders lol.

The main reason I workout, is to deal with my PTSD as a combat veteran. I love the gym, as it is my sanctuary; I guess wanting to get ripped was just a goal I've never achieved, and perhaps maybe my genetics suck, and I will be difficult to get there; being 38 now doesn't make it any easier, either. Point is, I want to feel GOOD in the gym, and I don't anymore, and I'm not even lean enough to say I'm suffering from being too lean lol.

I honestly don't know what to fucking do anymore.

Im my opinion get shredded like 6% doing somrthing like this

Test 250mg week
Tren ace 700mg week
Masteron 700mg week
Winny oral 50mg day 4 weeks on 2 off
Clenbuterol 40 to 120mcg day
T3 50mcg day
HGH 4ius fasted in morning

fasted cardio + cardio post wokout
100gr carbs diet just around workout

when you get 6% now you take
1gr test E
1gr Bolde
1gr NPP

8ius HGH post workout 30min later 10ius slin

anadrol 100mg day 4 weeks on 4 weeks off

 

[theotherguy]

I know you’ve busted your ass for quite a while now, but remember, all of this stuff, whether cutting, bulking, building strength or endurance, it’s ALL a marathon, not a sprint. I started off at 270 in feb of 2020, my weight has gone down and I stayed 240-250 since about may of 2020, but my body composition has changed a lot since then. I’m the biggest and leanest I’ve ever been, but it took me 2.5 years to get where I am now. Almost 3.5 years since I REALLY started taking training and nutrition seriously. Don’t get discouraged, be encouraged that you know you have the drive, dedication, and discipline to make the changes. Most people don’t have any of those 3 things, much less all 3

 

[TrenTrenTren]

I'm thinking being in a deficit so long has been the issue, more than the gear, since it' just primo and var with my cyp... I take TRT for life anyway. The strength isn't an issue, since I'm not an ego lifter, but when you're losing a lot of strength, that could be an indicator of muscle lose. My arms have gone down nearly a half inch each.

T3 can be eating up muscle too.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Im my opinion get shredded like 6% doing somrthing like this

Test 250mg week
Tren ace 700mg week
Masteron 700mg week
Winny oral 50mg day 4 weeks on 2 off
Clenbuterol 40 to 120mcg day
T3 50mcg day
HGH 4ius fasted in morning

fasted cardio + cardio post wokout
100gr carbs diet just around workout

when you get 6% now you take
1gr test E
1gr Bolde
1gr NPP

8ius HGH post workout 30min later 10ius slin

anadrol 100mg day 4 weeks on 4 weeks off

I'll def have to do something like this next time: appreciate the feedback friend.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

T3 can be eating up muscle too.

could be, but I've been on enough shit to counter it; I think its just the body saying "fuck you" after all this time. I can say this because when i did the two week diet break, I came back feeling like a god lol.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

The main reason I think my buddy Gabe is 100% on point with his assessment, which may sound counterintuitive, is the fact that I logged in what my diet breaks did to me. This is three weeks ago during my last diet break, eating way higher calories. Felt like a god and looked full as a house.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Chances are the t3 is depleting your muscle glycogen and that’s why you are feeling small or flat... drop the t3 and do a high carb day should fill out nicely. You have definitely lost lots of fat keep up the hard work.... if you have been cutting for so long a 3 month clean bulk might not be a bad idea... hell do cardio, have carb cut offs, drink green tea, eat clean, and eat LOTS of protein. Take test and tren. You might even add a bit of muscle while dropping a bit of fat.

Like @theotherguy said it’s a slow process. How you look today is based on your decisions for the last 12 months... you still have some time to go.

Good luck my friend and keep your head up.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I'm confident that my friend is telling me the right thing. Granted, part of me feels I failed myself and this community, but it would be only detrimental to cut for an entire year straight. But you're right, I have lost a fuck ton of fat and transformed from what I used to look like. This clean bulk will work...I could make a log about it, but this time I'm just going to keep it to myself and post final product when finished.

 

[Hightower]

I'm confident that my friend is telling me the right thing. Granted, part of me feels I failed myself and this community, but it would be only detrimental to cut for an entire year straight. But you're right, I have lost a fuck ton of fat and transformed from what I used to look like. This clean bulk will work...I could make a log about it, but this time I'm just going to keep it to myself and post final product when finished.

What I see is excellent and huge progress. We will continue to monitor progress.

 

[God&Gainz]

The main reason I workout, is to deal with my PTSD as a combat veteran. I love the gym, as it is my sanctuary; I guess wanting to get ripped was just a goal I've never achieved, and perhaps maybe my genetics suck, and I will be difficult to get there; being 38 now doesn't make it any easier, either. Point is, I want to feel GOOD in the gym, and I don't anymore, and I'm not even lean enough to say I'm suffering from being too lean lol.

I honestly don't know what to fucking do anymore.

Bro I feel your pain, i was exactly where you were 2-3 years ago.

You are close to 18% I would say. But you have lots of muscle and once you lower your BF you will break necks.

One of the things that helped me is carb cycling. I used to eat high carbs all the time and it turned out to be hindering my progress. High protein low carbs is the way to go with an occasional refeed. Yeah you feel like shit on low carb days but that's what getting really lean is. You look good but don't feel good lol.

Secondly, I started doing HIIT Stairs 4-5x a week for 30-40 minutes. Fucking grueling but I was sick of not getting to 10% and adopted extreme measures.

I would recommend you take a step back, get on a trt dose, eat at maintenance for 1-2 months. Then come back with Test, Tren, Anavar, and Clen. Incorporate carb cycling, cardio, abs, and obliques.

You will get to where you are trying to go. You have the discipline, just need to find the right recipe.

Best of luck and keep us updated.