Wasting time with Glutathione on this mild cycle?

[RockyP]

Good evening to all. Question about running glutathione with my stack below.

Current weekly regimen is:

Test 225
Primo 150
NPP 150
4 iu GH
5 mg tirz
TB500 / BPC / Cu-GHK

Liver support includes 600 mg NAC, 500 mg Milk Thistle, 250 mg TUDCA daily. I've also been doing glutathione 100 mg SubQ EOD. Spoke with a coach recently who told me that without tren / orals on board, and with the NAC dosage I'm using, glutathione might be a bit overkill. Said it wouldn't hurt, but (pun) the glut shots actually do sting / lump up quite a bit so if I'm pissing in the wind I'd like to bag it. I'd sworn off orals forever but that low dose pre-workout anavar is winking at me again. If I did add that it would be 10 - 25 mg pre-workout a few times per week. I would keep the glutathione on board if I choose that route, but otherwise without the var, Any thoughts?

 

[BamaCrazy]

Good evening to all. Question about running glutathione with my stack below.

Current weekly regimen is:

Test 225
Primo 150
NPP 150
4 iu GH
5 mg tirz
TB500 / BPC / Cu-GHK

Liver support includes 600 mg NAC, 500 mg Milk Thistle, 250 mg TUDCA daily. I've also been doing glutathione 100 mg SubQ EOD. Spoke with a coach recently who told me that without tren / orals on board, and with the NAC dosage I'm using, glutathione might be a bit overkill. Said it wouldn't hurt, but (pun) the glut shots actually do sting / lump up quite a bit so if I'm pissing in the wind I'd like to bag it. I'd sworn off orals forever but that low dose pre-workout anavar is winking at me again. If I did add that it would be 10 - 25 mg pre-workout a few times per week. I would keep the glutathione on board if I choose that route, but otherwise without the var, Any thoughts?

I’d have to agree with the coach. The less stuff I need to inject the better. But I’d let my liver function labs determine whether to run it or not. Tren, orals, NSAIDS, Tylenol and antibiotics are a few drugs that can raise liver enzymes.

 

[RockyP]

I’d have to agree with the coach. The less stuff I need to inject the better. But I’d let my liver function labs determine whether to run it or not. Tren, orals, NSAIDS, Tylenol and antibiotics are a few drugs that can raise liver enzymes.

My AST / ALT are always slightly elevated 50's to 70's, l, since I never take any time off the gym prior to getting blood drawn. So essentially i'm never less than 12 - 18 hours from an intense training sessions prior to having the labs drawn. I'm speaking just of AST / ALT. GGT, Alk Phos, Bili, etc. all always normal.

 

[BamaCrazy]

My AST / ALT are always slightly elevated 50's to 70's, l, since I never take any time off the gym prior to getting blood drawn. So essentially i'm never less than 12 - 18 hours from an intense training sessions prior to having the labs drawn. I'm speaking just of AST / ALT. GGT, Alk Phos, Bili, etc. all always normal.

I have the same issue. You need more than 72 hours in between training and lab work to minimize raised liver enzymes. Who in the hell is skipping the gym for that long. If my GGT is good then I assume there isn’t much to worry about. Unless my AST and ALT get close to 100. Then I’m taking a pause.

 

[RockyP]

I have the same issue. You need more than 72 hours in between training and lab work to minimize raised liver enzymes. Who in the hell is skipping the gym for that long. If my GGT is good then I assume there isn’t much to worry about. Unless my AST and ALT get close to 100. Then I’m taking a pause.

Awesome thank you - is there any benefit to doubling my dosage of the other liver support (NAC / MT / TUDCA) if I decide to play around with Low Dose Anavar (in addition to the gluathione), or is there a ceiling of efficacy on those compounds?

 

[BamaCrazy]

Awesome thank you - is there any benefit to doubling my dosage of the other liver support (NAC / MT / TUDCA) if I decide to play around with Low Dose Anavar (in addition to the gluathione), or is there a ceiling of efficacy on those compounds?

The research is pretty weak on MT. And NAC has a 6-10% oral bioavailability. I’d double up on Tudca and increase your glutathione dosage and pin 2-3 times a week or more. I inject 500mg EOD and there are some here pinning a lot more.

There is a Korean source that sells 1,200mg glutathione kits for $32 which helps if you want to increase dosage.

 

[Liter O' Test]

long term frequent glutathione use down regulates the bodies natural glutathione produced in the liver.
the enzymes you have are normal from training, glutathione is used for oxidative stress, and actual damage that shows on GGT

using tudca for oils? man what.

ii will tell you that taking extra things you don't need can only lead to more problems in the future, the body is complicated,
overanalyzing these things and thinking you are doing a smart thing no one else does is the path to problems, i see it all the time on forums and in my own experience. you try to over optimize and next thing you know you have some strange dysfunction much worse than 10mg of anavar could ever be.

for example, you are taking ghkcu , but do you know how much copper you consume daily?

 

[RockyP]

The research is pretty weak on MT. And NAC has a 6-10% oral bioavailability. I’d double up on Tudca and increase your glutathione dosage and pin 2-3 times a week or more. I inject 500mg EOD and there are some here pinning a lot more.

There is a Korean source that sells 1,200mg glutathione kits for $32 which helps if you want to increase dosage.

The Glut I was using was pre-mixed and 200 mg / ml - with a decent amount of PIP. I was able to find a 1500 mg powder that I can reconstitute myself. I will hold onto that in case I decide to run that anavar. I'm going to skip the painful 100 mg i've been doin thus far.

Thank you again for the info.

 

[RockyP]

long term frequent glutathione use down regulates the bodies natural glutathione produced in the liver.
the enzymes you have are normal from training, glutathione is used for oxidative stress, and actual damage that shows on GGT

using tudca for oils? man what.

ii will tell you that taking extra things you don't need can only lead to more problems in the future, the body is complicated,
overanalyzing these things and thinking you are doing a smart thing no one else does is the path to problems, i see it all the time on forums and in my own experience. you try to over optimize and next thing you know you have some strange dysfunction much worse than 10mg of anavar could ever be.

for example, you are taking ghkcu , but do you know how much copper you consume daily?

I appreciate the insight - my diet is entirely chicken, rice, and egg whites. I would need quite a bit of dietary copper to get in trouble with 2.5 mg of GHK-Cu. I only run it for 3 weeks, and to be honest, likely won't run it again.

What are your thoughts re: glutathione on 25 mg anavar?

 

[Liter O' Test]

I appreciate the insight - my diet is entirely chicken, rice, and egg whites. I would need quite a bit of dietary copper to get in trouble with 2.5 mg of GHK-Cu. I only run it for 3 weeks, and to be honest, likely won't run it again.

you made my point, the body is complicated, I wasn't referring to copper toxicity from ghkcu, ghkcu is copper transporter, if you don't have enough copper in your diet then you at best might not get any effects, at worst might deplete it from some tissues and send it to others or have ghkcu float around and do whatever

I have seen people say ghkcu made their skin worse, i think its because they didnt have enough copper ot begin with

 

[RockyP]

you made my point, the body is complicated, I wasn't referring to copper toxicity from ghkcu, ghkcu is copper transporter, if you don't have enough copper in your diet then you at best might not get any effects, at worst might deplete it from some tissues and send it to others or have ghkcu float around and do whatever

I have seen people say ghkcu made their skin worse, i think its because they didnt have enough copper ot begin with

I thought you were referring to toxicity - Total copper intake is approx 2 mg. We're getting off topic here - i thank you for your strong opinion about not overusing glutathione.

 

[ItCantBe]

Good evening to all. Question about running glutathione with my stack below.

Current weekly regimen is:

Test 225
Primo 150
NPP 150
4 iu GH
5 mg tirz
TB500 / BPC / Cu-GHK

Liver support includes 600 mg NAC, 500 mg Milk Thistle, 250 mg TUDCA daily. I've also been doing glutathione 100 mg SubQ EOD. Spoke with a coach recently who told me that without tren / orals on board, and with the NAC dosage I'm using, glutathione might be a bit overkill. Said it wouldn't hurt, but (pun) the glut shots actually do sting / lump up quite a bit so if I'm pissing in the wind I'd like to bag it. I'd sworn off orals forever but that low dose pre-workout anavar is winking at me again. If I did add that it would be 10 - 25 mg pre-workout a few times per week. I would keep the glutathione on board if I choose that route, but otherwise without the var, Any thoughts?

At first glance it looks like major overkill to throw in glutathione with those dosages and that liver stack.

 

[RockyP]

Thanks to all. Glutathione has been removed. Will revisit if I decide to run any anavar in the future. Dose depends. Thanks again